Mafioso VS Deliquent

[TheDarkTriadz]

It's extremely hyperbolic to call Dazai a below average martial artist just because he's not as good as the very best, lmao.

Chuuya > Dazai > any common martial artist/fighter.

Dazai's still no below average fighter, y'all reaching for this argument.

Lol, its as if you're comparing Mikey to a common fighter, hes a genius prodidgy who's been knows to use several martial arts in his fights, the skill gap is in Mikey's favour

 

[Tomfer]

its as if you're comparing Mikey to a common fighter

I'm not, nobody is doing that. I'm talking about this stupid argument about Dazai being a below average fighter, which is hyperbolic.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ah yes, Comparing skilled Mafia members specifically trained to battle skill users who can level portions of mountains, blowing up entire towns, Swing skyscrappers to a bunch of deliquents who have no prior training aside from Mikey and those that Triad said

Yes, Seems a onesided comparison in favor of the deliquents

Source: Trust me bro

 

[DekuGlazer]

I think you're taking this scan out of context, it says "below average in the mafia" and right after, Dazai says that Chuuya is the "best martial artist in the mafia".

Keep in mind the martial Chuuya showed is nowhere close what Mikey has. Mikey can do every attack he can do. Chuuya can not do a flying spinning crescent kick. Or a 540 spin kick.

First point, I assume that all in the mafia are good at martial arts and the second point,

Assumption based points with no canon statements to prove it are not valid arguments. Why can you assume they are "good" at martial arts when Mikey was called a "prodigy" when every sense of the definition is anything but what you are describing.

if anything, that's a feat for Dazai for even being able to dodge and counter-attack the best in the mafia.

He was only able to dodge him due to his prior knowledge being his partner which is vividly stated for a reason and keeps getting ignored by you guys. He cannot predict anyone he fights. If he can there should should be a scan proving me wrong other wise it is all assumption based and not proven. Which cant be voted for.

 

[DekuGlazer]

I'm not, nobody is doing that. I'm talking about this stupid argument about Dazai being a below average fighter, which is hyperbolic.

Literally just countered this proving it isn't hyperbolic

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

Ah yes, Comparing skilled Mafia members specifically trained to battle skill users who can level portions of mountains, blowing up entire towns, Swing skyscrappers to a bunch of deliquents who have no prior training aside from Mikey and those that Triad said

Yes, Seems a onesided comparison in favor of the deliquents

Source: Trust me bro

These are just AP feats dude lol, some delinquents are literally military trained bruh, Mikey is more skilled

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Keep in mind the martial Chuuya showed is nowhere close what Mikey has. Mikey can do every attack he can do. Chuuya can not do a flying spinning crescent kick. Or a 540 spin kick.

You don't need do front flips kicks or back flips kicks of sorts to be more skilled

The moment you can demolish groups of bandits/mafia/skill users and anti skill users just based on martial arts you can pretty much call your self as someone skilled

Assumption based points with no canon statements to prove it are not valid arguments. Why can you assume they are "good" at martial arts when Mikey was called a "prodigy" when every sense of the definition is anything but what you are describing.

I'm not saying those mafia members are more skilled than Mikey, I'm saying Dazai heavily outskills them and Mikey

He was only able to dodge him due to his prior knowledge being his partner which is vividly stated for a reason and keeps getting ignored by you guys. He cannot predict anyone he fights. If he can there should should be a scan proving me wrong other wise it is all assumption based and not proven. Which cant be voted for.

Assumptions once again, I have showned multiple instances where he can predict but alas your bias doesn't let you see that

 

[Tomfer]

Keep in mind the martial Chuuya showed is nowhere close what Mikey has. Mikey can do every attack he can do. Chuuya can not do a flying spinning crescent kick. Or a 540 spin kick.

Y'all trying to debut my argument while talking about Mikey can do this, can do that, I don't care little bro, lmao. I'm talking about Dazai's skills and how y'all reaching too far to put him below average.

when Mikey was called a "prodigy"

Like who the **** cares about him being a prodigy, I'm talking about Dazai and your hyperbolic argument, bro. I assume mafia members are superior than normal fighters because normal dudes cannot do what anime characters do, that holds for almost every verse here, even Tokyo Midvegers. I'm not saying that Mikey is superior or inferior skill-wise, I'm here to say that your argument about Dazai being a below average martial arts is hyperbolic, which it is.

Stop trying to "debut" by hyping your own character, it doesn't make sense.
"He is a weak fighter because Mikey is better"

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

Dazai when he realises Mikey's arsenal is filled with 10+ martial arts and kicks he's never come across being thrown with powers of 1.3 megajoules:

I doubt Dazai's stamina is higher then Mikey's too, what are his stamina feats ?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Dazai when he realises Mikey's arsenal is filled with 10+ martial arts and kicks he's never come across being thrown with powers of 1.3 megajoules:

When you realize you don't need to know more martial arts to be more skilled and have better martial arts

I doubt Dazai's stamina is higher then Mikey's too, what are his stamina feats ?

Laughs off torture and beatings, Constantly tanks attacks stronger than his own, Has been shot by a sniper and stabbed by poisoned knife, Only to just act like "Did a fly touch me?"

 

[DekuGlazer]

Dazai when he realises Mikey's arsenal is filled with 10+ martial arts and kicks he's never come across being thrown with powers of 1.3 megajoules:

I doubt Dazai's stamina is higher then Mikey's too, what are his stamina feats ?

Man im still waiting on the martial arts scans. Its a LN, anime and manga and nobody can show me where Dazai was trained in hand to hand when he is narratively below average. Since when has below average > prodigy. If mikey was in Port Mafia he would be the best that's literally all it means

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

When you realize you don't need to know more martial arts to be more skilled and have better martial arts

Mikey is a genius prodidgy, implying he's mastered Taekwondo/karate

Laughs off torture and beatings, Constantly tanks attacks stronger than his own, Has been shot by a sniper and stabbed by poisoned knife, Only to just act like "Did a fly touch me?"

Yeah, neither of them are getting tired, if you really wanna underate it, Might be a draw

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Mikey is a genius prodidgy, implying he's mastered Taekwondo/karate

What good will that do against Dazai?

Yeah, neither of them are getting tired, if you really wanna underate it, Might be a draw

????

Dazai clearly stomps here, Since when has Mikey been tortured and beated for days, Tanked attacks stronger than himself, Got shot by a sniper and a poisoned knife and acts as if nothing happened?

What, Are you like Deku who says Mikey being able to get hit in the head is better than Dazai's stamina feats???

 

[DekuGlazer]

What good will that do against Dazai?

Everything when he quite literally is considered below average in CQC which you didnt even want to address until i mentioned it. I had to go find the information I asked for myself, then when I provide it. You change the narrative to hyperbolic, incorrect.

????

Dazai clearly stomps here, Since when has Mikey been tortured and beated for days, Tanked attacks stronger than himself,

Being tortured is not a fighting stamina feat. Torture is done for the purpose of forcing information out of the kidnapped individual. Mikey is not here to torture him. He is killing him. With a significant advantage in almost everything besides IQ.

Got shot by a sniper and a poisoned knife and acts as if nothing happened?

Getting shot with no extensive action after? People get shot by assault rifles in everyday life and live to tell about it. Thats not applicable to a fight. Neither is Getting poisoned then going unconscious

What, Are you like Deku who says Mikey being able to get hit in the head is better than Dazai's stamina feats???

Getting hit in the head is life threatening. Taiju got stabbed and fought extended fight, Baji got stabbed and beat 50 people. Getting stabbed and keep fighting is normal in TR.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Everything when he quite literally is considered below average in CQC which you didnt even want to address until i mentioned it. I had to go find the information I asked for myself, then when I provide it. You change the narrative to hyperbolic, incorrect.

Being tortured is not a fighting stamina feat. Torture is done for the purpose of forcing information out of the kidnapped individual. Mikey is not here to torture him. He is killing him. With a significant advantage in almost everything besides IQ.

Getting shot with no extensive action after? People get shot by assault rifles in everyday life and live to tell about it. Thats not applicable to a fight. Neither is Getting poisoned then going unconscious

Getting hit in the head is life threatening. Taiju got stabbed and fought extended fight, Baji got stabbed and beat 50 people. Getting stabbed and keep fighting is normal in TR.

And with this, I can confirm something which i won't be saying

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Unless you want me too, But you can't blame me afterwards

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

Through 5 pages I have seen one scan from people who say Dazai

 

[DekuGlazer]

And with this, I can confirm something which i won't be saying

this is what people say when they don't have logical debunks , but still won't admit their wrong

 

[DekuGlazer]

Through 5 pages I have seen one scan from people who say Dazai

I haven't even seen more than one scan that even has the words "martial arts" and the martial arts word doesnt even apply do dazai. Bro is canonically below average but somehow because he is in the mafia he can fight. Somehow being an adult gang member = martial arts training, but in a different thread. He will call Mikey "just a gangster" to again vote against him. Im so confused atp

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

this is what people say when they don't have logical debunks , but still won't admit their wrongdoings

Heh... This confirms something that could help Dazai beat Mikey. But I'm not going to say it because you might debunk it...

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Everything when he quite literally is considered below average in CQC which you didnt even want to address until i mentioned it. I had to go find the information I asked for myself, then when I provide it. You change the narrative to hyperbolic, incorrect.

This has been debunked so many times

How can Dazai be a low average when he literally trained a whole squad of mafia with said training being stated to be capable of producing high results

Moreover he teached Akutagawa who later became a high tier of the verse and the same can be said with Atsushi

Him being feared and knowned also proves he isn't a below average

Him being the youngest member of the mafia and soon became one of the most dangerous ones also proves he isn't below average

Him being capable of demolishing entire groups of trained mafia also proves he isn't below par

Why are you comparing the so called "below average" with the "best mafia martial arts wise"?

Stop taking everything so literally

Being tortured is not a fighting stamina feat. Torture is done for the purpose of forcing information out of the kidnapped individual. Mikey is not here to torture him. He is killing him. With a significant advantage in almost everything besides IQ.

Him being tortured and beated means he has alot of pain tolerance and stamina

Getting shot with no extensive action after? People get shot by assault rifles in everyday life and live to tell about it. Thats not applicable to a fight. Neither is Getting poisoned then going unconscious

He got shot only to get up as if nothing happened and he can't be healed with Akiko's "Thou shalt not die" meaning he had to endure the pain, Again pain tolerance and stamina feat

Getting hit in the head is life threatening. Taiju got stabbed and fought extended fight, Baji got stabbed and beat 50 people. Getting stabbed and keep fighting is normal in TR.

Getting stabed with a poisoned knife is alot more threatening considering you will die because of loss of blood, Which Dazai just casually ignores the pain

Also, What i meant with "something i can confirm" isn't related to the thread but you, Which i won't be saying it

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The below average easily gets contradicted when you have these feats

Chuuya also hates Dazai, How do you know he is not mocking him?

 

[DekuGlazer]

This has been debunked so many times

Do you know what the word debunk means? If it was debunked then no one would still be asking for said information, yet 5 people still have asked for more clarification since you say itshyperbole or not true. Nothing that was sent even says the words "martial arts" or "close quarters combat" with Dazai being the subject of it. You will say "Oda did this" so dazai scales to it...... No thats not how it works what makes dazai scale to it? Had he fought him? Has anyone ever said he was stronger? You just say he comparable to characters he dont even have fights with.

How can Dazai be a low average when he literally trained a whole squad of mafia with said training being stated to be capable of producing high results

Do you know how many different types of training there is? Results of what? Literally every character he notable trained is power based and doesnt even use martial arts. Akutagawa doesnt even have martial arts on his profile , yet you are making the implication he was trained in it without proving the proof.

"I've addressed every point" no all you did was reply with no nee information provided when you've been asks for more clarity by 5 members. Someone nee asks then you just send the same thing they seen already reading through the thread, when they obviously want more than that lol

Moreover he teached Akutagawa who later became a high tier of the verse and the same can be said with Atsushi

Again Akutagawa doesnt even have martial arts on his profile. He helped him control his powers

Him being feared and knowned also proves he isn't a below average

They are feared by the power and influence he yields, not by his fighting prowess.

Him being the youngest member of the mafia and soon became one of the most dangerous ones also proves he isn't below average

Yes it is people get recruited in the mafia for numerous reasons . Kisaki was the #2 of Toman and narratively cant fight. Takemichi was an executive in the #1 criminal organization in Japan while not being a fighter. Titles ≠ hand to hand prowess.

Him being capable of demolishing entire groups of trained mafia also proves he isn't below par

Once again that is not what even happened. Akutagawa quite literally tell you he didnt kill them. Using false statements about feats proves he is below average. If he was great you wouldn't have to stoop this low. Even the respect thread acknowledges he didnt kill them. I mean i dont even know why i have to say this when it's literally in the scans im taghkng

Why are you comparing the so called "below average" with the "best mafia martial arts wise"?

is Chuuya vs Dazai not the main fight you have been using for why you think he win? What

Him being tortured and beated means he has alot of pain tolerance and stamina

Both characters have this.

He got shot only to get up as if nothing happened and he can't be healed with Akiko's "Though shalt not die" meaning he had to endure the pain

He was in the hospital bed when he said this btw. How would be be in real pain when he is already recovering?

Getting stabed with a poisoned knife is alot more threatening considering you will die because of loss of blood, Which Dazai just casually ignores the pain

Mikey loss alot of blood which is why he collapsed after beating Kazutora, just to get back up a few moments later and kill Kazutora. See how that works and applies to a fight? If he was tortured then broke free with the injuries fighting it would be valid but just saying he got tortured doesnt work.

 

[DekuGlazer]

The below average easily gets contradicted when you have these feats

Chuuya also hates Dazai, How do you know he is not mocking him?

"How do you know he is not mocking him?" That is assumption based especially when Dazai himself didnt refute it snd replied by complimenting Chuuya of being the better fighter right after he was insulted. You are higher/more confident in Dazai's martial arts than even he is himself

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Do you know what the word debunk means? If it was debunked then no one would still be asking for said information, yet 5 people still have asked for more clarification since you say itshyperbole or not true. Nothing that was sent even says the words "martial arts" or "close quarters combat" with Dazai being the subject of it. You will say "Oda did this" so dazai scales to it...... No thats not how it works what makes dazai scale to it? Had he fought him? Has anyone ever said he was stronger? You just say he comparable to characters he dont even have fights with.

Do you know how many different types of training there is? Results of what? Literally every character he notable trained is power based and doesnt even use martial arts. Akutagawa doesnt even have martial arts on his profile , yet you are making the implication he was trained in it without proving the proof.

"I've addressed every point" no all you did was reply with no nee information provided when you've been asks for more clarity by 5 members. Someone nee asks then you just send the same thing they seen already reading through the thread, when they obviously want more than that lol

Again Akutagawa doesnt even have martial arts on his profile. He helped him control his powers

They are feared by the power and influence he yields, not by his fighting prowess.

Yes it is people get recruited in the mafia for numerous reasons . Kisaki was the #2 of Toman and narratively cant fight. Takemichi was an executive in the #1 criminal organization in Japan while not being a fighter. Titles ≠ hand to hand prowess.

Once again that is not what even happened. Akutagawa quite literally tell you he didnt kill them. Using false statements about feats proves he is below average. If he was great you wouldn't have to stoop this low. Even the respect thread acknowledges he didnt kill them. I mean i dont even know why i have to say this when it's literally in the scans im taghkng

is Chuuya vs Dazai not the main fight you have been using for why you think he win? What

Both characters have this.

He was in the hospital bed when he said this btw. How would be be in real pain when he is already recovering?

Mikey loss alot of blood which is why he collapsed after beating Kazutora, just to get back up a few moments later and kill Kazutora. See how that works and applies to a fight? If he was tortured then broke free with the injuries fighting it would be valid but just saying he got tortured doesnt work.

Do you know what "Outdated" means?

This verse hasn't been touched by anyone for years, I started upgrading the verse, Specifically only Dazai has been upgrade because i'm focusing on him

 

[DekuGlazer]

Do you know what "Outdated" means?

This verse hasn't been touched by anyone for years, I started upgrading the verse, Specifically only Dazai has been upgrade because i'm focusing on him

Something that important would not be left off his profile. Every character has it besides him. Not an excuse. Also, i replied much more than this, do not ignore these points as well. This is what I mean when I say you dont refute points while counting votes. Its invalid

Do you know what the word debunk means? If it was debunked then no one would still be asking for said information, yet 5 people still have asked for more clarification since you say itshyperbole or not true. Nothing that was sent even says the words "martial arts" or "close quarters combat" with Dazai being the subject of it. You will say "Oda did this" so dazai scales to it...... No thats not how it works what makes dazai scale to it? Had he fought him? Has anyone ever said he was stronger? You just say he comparable to characters he dont even have fights with.

Again Akutagawa doesnt even have martial arts on his profile. He helped him control his powers

They are feared by the power and influence he yields, not by his fighting prowess.

Yes it is people get recruited in the mafia for numerous reasons . Kisaki was the #2 of Toman Yakuza and narratively cant fight. Takemichi was an executive in the #1 criminal organization in Japan while not being a fighter. Titles ≠ hand to hand prowess.

Once again that is not what even happened. Akutagawa quite literally tell you he didnt kill them. Using false statements about feats proves he is below average. If he was great you wouldn't have to stoop this low. Even the respect thread acknowledges he didnt kill them. I mean i dont even know why i have to say this when it's literally in the scans im tagging

He was in the hospital bed when he said this btw. How would be be in real pain when he is already recovering?

Mikey loss alot of blood which is why he collapsed after beating Kazutora, just to get back up a few moments later and kill Kazutora. See how that works and applies to a fight? If he was tortured then broke free with the injuries fighting it would be valid but just saying he got tortured doesnt work.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Do you know what the word debunk means? If it was debunked then no one would still be asking for said information, yet 5 people still have asked for more clarification since you say itshyperbole or not true. Nothing that was sent even says the words "martial arts" or "close quarters combat" with Dazai being the subject of it. You will say "Oda did this" so dazai scales to it...... No thats not how it works what makes dazai scale to it? Had he fought him? Has anyone ever said he was stronger? You just say he comparable to characters he dont even have fights with.

It doesn't need to say martial arts or close quarters when its pretty obvious what you will be training when you don't have super powers such as the mafia members, Of course they are gonna learn martial arts because they don't have powers

Do you know how many different types of training there is? Results of what? Literally every character he notable trained is power based and doesnt even use martial arts. Akutagawa doesnt even have martial arts on his profile , yet you are making the implication he was trained in it without proving the proof.

Profiles except Dazai are outdated, Watch the anime it's showned that Dazai is training Akutagawa, You aren't even making any effort to search

"I've addressed every point" no all you did was reply with no nee information provided when you've been asks for more clarity by 5 members. Someone nee asks then you just send the same thing they seen already reading through the thread, when they obviously want more than that lol

I provided and you got countered but you just don't want to admit it

Again Akutagawa doesnt even have martial arts on his profile. He helped him control his powers

Watch the anime, He is clearly training martial arts and powers

They are feared by the power and influence he yields, not by his fighting prowess.

What use will Dazai's power do when all of the mafia he demolishes don't have powers?

He is feared for a reason, Which is because he can take down entire groups with no effort

Yes it is people get recruited in the mafia for numerous reasons . Kisaki was the #2 of Toman and narratively cant fight. Takemichi was an executive in the #1 criminal organization in Japan while not being a fighter. Titles ≠ hand to hand prowess.

He was the youngest and still made it to the executive position, Which shows how skilled he is to the point the boss was impressed and placed him as the executive

Dazai was also knowned for his ruthless and cruelty which further proves he is good at fighting

Once again that is not what even happened. Akutagawa quite literally tell you he didnt kill them. Using false statements about feats proves he is below average. If he was great you wouldn't have to stoop this low. Even the respect thread acknowledges he didnt kill them. I mean i dont even know why i have to say this when it's literally in the scans im taghkng

This, This is why it's not fun debating with you, You just keep using this argument when i clearly showned he has feats of him demolishing groups of mafia

This is getting annoying at this point

is Chuuya vs Dazai not the main fight you have been using for why you think he win? What

No, I think he wins based on his skills/martial arts/Battle IQ/IQ and power and abilities, Which till now you still haven't debunked a single one of them

You just dismiss everything and only read what's more convinient for you

Both characters have this.

They don't

Don't compare a metal pipe to the head to straight up torture and beatings for hours

He was in the hospital bed when he said this btw. How would be be in real pain when he is already recovering?

That's because he went to a hospital, He wasn't healed by Akiko's power

He has power null remember? He nullifies everything that touches him, Including healing powers

Mikey loss alot of blood which is why he collapsed after beating Kazutora, just to get back up a few moments later and kill Kazutora. See how that works and applies to a fight? If he was tortured then broke free with the injuries fighting it would be valid but just saying he got tortured doesnt work.

He was stabbed with a paralysing knife and would have killed him if he didn't have an antidote

And before he uses the antidote he still has a whole conversation

See how this is not comparable at all?

 

[Tomfer]

It's best to close this, Zetsu.

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

It's best to close this, Zetsu.

No its not, the debate is ongoing

 

[DekuGlazer]

It's best to close this, Zetsu.

LMAOOOO I call this a checkmate. This thread will not be closed at all.

 

[DekuGlazer]

No its not, the debate is ongoing

I checkmated them now they want to close the thread notice @Tomfer didnt reply when i asked for context on his vote yet he was replying in the other thread. Now he's back trying to close this one. They definitely are friends

 

[Tomfer]

It is, lmao. It's a 5 pages of literally "no u" and y'all either ignore people's comments or straight up start crying about how y'all are victims.

I checkmated them

LMAOOOO I call this a checkmate.

You're the most corny ass dude I've found on this website, goddamn. This dude thinking he in the The Queen's Gambit, LMAO.

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

It is, lmao. It's a 5 pages of literally "no u" and y'all either ignore people's comments or straight up start crying about how y'all are victims.

We did that in the Yu thread ? Stop talking about other threads LOL. This is a thread where there is an actual debate, dont close it

 

[DekuGlazer]

You're the most corny ass dude I've found on this website, goddamn. This dude thinking he in the The Queen's Gambit, LMAO.

Okay. i will be all of that and more if you can finally refute my points with scans.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It is, lmao. It's a 5 pages of literally "no u" and y'all either ignore people's comments or straight up start crying about how y'all are victims.

This thread is him and Dino literally dismissing everything

Making assumptions

Not having watched the anime and start saying things that don't make sense

Inventing new abilities that don't make sense

Ignoring everything that was said

Read what's only convinient to them

Downplaying massibly Dazai

Highballing Mikey to the max

This is just not fun

 

[DekuGlazer]

This thread is him and Dino literally dismissing everything

Making assumptions

Not having watched the anime and start things that don't make sense

Inventing new abilities that don't make sense

Ignoring everything that was said

Read what's only convinient to them

Downplaying massibly Dazai

Highballing Mikey to the max

This is just not fun

I've tagged anime, manga AND light novel scans to make every point and you reduced it to i never watched it. The math isn't mathing like it should. 2+2=9?

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

Lol If we were highballing Mikey he would be astronomically higher, stop complaining about false things and just debate so we can have a matchup added finally

 

[Tomfer]

This thread is him and Dino literally dismissing everything

Making assumptions

Not having watched the anime and start things that don't make sense

Inventing new abilities that don't make sense

Ignoring everything that was said

Read what's only convinient to them

Downplaying massibly Dazai

Highballing Mikey to the max

This is just not fun

Healthiest TR thread.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I've tagged anime, manga AND light novel scans to make every point and you reduced it to i never watched it. The math isn't mathing like it should. 2+2=9?

Anime - feats we sended

Manga - feats we sended and you just googled it

LN - feats we sended

Funny, I don't see anything you searched on your own besides the manga you just googled it on reddit?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Healthiest TR thread.

Also yeah, I think i will close this, After all, There is no fun to be seen here with so much bias here

Infact, I will just ask Armor to close this right now