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Check again. The Calc in the verse page is 281 Exatons.
Still doesn't remove the fact that Base Momoshiki has Unknown Striking Strength or Lifting Strength.
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Madara vs Momoshiki
- Thread starter TauanVictor
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Still doesn't remove the fact that Base Momoshiki has Unknown Striking Strength or Lifting Strength.
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It got revised and upgraded the verse pages are behind a lot of the time on calculations heck we have had entire CRTs based on upscaling to low 5-B From the calc
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No, Damage removed it from the verse page because he wanted to discuss which calc to use with other staff and calcers.
The new calc is approved but is currently not to be used until a discussion has been made.
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anyways they both scale to the same feat Momoshiki just upscales massively and Madara is relative to it to slightly above it
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Momoshiki does not upscale massively. Momoshiki's AP only massively upscales when his amped by Chakra Pills
AP and Durability: Fused Momoshiki > Momoshiki > Kinshiki > Toneri
SS and LS: Fused Momoshiki > Kinshiki > Toneri
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those are still large gaps in between
also I forgot about this but for another wincon Madara can be BFRd also as he doesn‘t have any way to escape it
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When has Momoshiki ever used BFR?
He has dimensional travel but he never used it to BFR
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He used it against naruto at the start he only went there because he wanted to take narutos energy which he has no goal to do here
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And? Momoshiki's never used his dimensional travel in combat nor has he BFR'd summon.
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He literally used it against naruto at the start it was useless at that point because he knew sasuke could do the same thing
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That wasn't BFR nor was he in combat.
He knocked out SPSM Naruto, then brought him to his dimension to begin draining him.
When has he ever used it against a conscious opponent?
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You keep arguing Momoshiki using OOC tactics
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Not all since he fail to absorb shadow kunai(boruto's shadow clone use it destroy his rinnagan) which is also aninjutsu
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He has used it against opponents before which Is all that matters you call it OOC yet acknowledge that he did do it. He has used it you don’t need a example for every possible situation for him to use it
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Just having NE isn't enough to touch tsb
Tsb does not able to nullify senjutsu but it still able to erase body
Since tobirama said tsb still can erase him and sm naruto
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Then how will TSB hurt him because he will just absorb it
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It isn't BFR, Momoshiki and Kinshiki just opened a portal and brought Naruto with them.
If he can use BFR then why didn't he do it against the Kage or against Naruto to separate to him from Sasuke?
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Because it was useless when Sasuke had it
He used BFR on Naruto then entered the dimension to absorb his energy he has no reason to absorb madaras energy here
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Do you not know the difference between BFR and Dimesional Travel at all?
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they are almost the exact same Momoshiki BFRd Naruto Then followed him with dimensional travel
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So it really seems you really don't know the context of their encounter.
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Yeah I do Momoshiki knocked out Naruto then BFRd him into his dimension which allowed him to easily absorb narutos chakra
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Incorrect.
Did you forget Hinata being injured trying to keep Momoshiki and Kinshiki from taking Naruto.
You really have no idea of the mechanics of Momoshiki's Dimensional Travel at all do you?
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Am I supposed to put down every detail
He makes a portal
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Yes because Naruto wasn't BFR'D at all.
They collected his unconscious body after batting away Hinata and then opened a portal to their dimension.
How hard is that to understand?
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Yeah they brought him to the dimension it’s pretty easy to BFR with that
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Wow you really don't understand at all
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That is literally how otsusuki dimensional travel works heck we see Kaguya do exactly that
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And have you seen Momoshiki use it in combat?
Momoshiki uses Dimensional Travel as the name implies for travel only.
Kaguya uses hers in combat and travel simultaneous.
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Why would he use it in combat directly again sasuke was there. Momoshiki also wanted narutos chakra at that moment which he would not care about in this fight
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You really don't understand at all.
You keep saying he can BFR people but keep failing to give examples when he does it.
And why does Sasuke being there matter when you're using the argument that Momoshiki can BFR.
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Explain why Momoshiki didn't BFR any of the Kage or Naruto when he was getting tag teamed.
If Momoshiki is able to BFR anyone of them do you think Sasuke would prioritize saving that person over the other people that would be left alone with Momoshiki?
All your arguments are based on stuff that is either not in Momoshiki's Profile or stuff that he never does.
If Momoshiki is able to BFR anyone of them do you think Sasuke would prioritize saving that person over the other people that would be left alone with Momoshiki?
All your arguments are based on stuff that is either not in Momoshiki's Profile or stuff that he never does.
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He does it to Naruto I already gave you a example 1 example is enough since BFR wouldn’t matter with sasuke fighting him which is everything except that encounter
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Wrong as always.
He did not BFR Naruto.
Wrong again.
If he could BFR someone why would Sasuke being there stop him.
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Your arguments such as Momoshiki One-Shotting and BFRing are debunked and based on faulty reasons
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He literally did that
Oh IDK why would someone with dimensional travel care about BFR for him or his team when he can just teleport them back
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Madara stomps.
Momoshiki is completely helpless against the TSOs or Limbo, not to mention Madara can just genjutsu GG if he so desired.
He can absorb any Ninijutsu Momoshiki throws at him with the Preta Path, and is impervious to Ninjutsu as well thanks to being a JJ.
If all else fails, which it won't, he can obviously just regenerate from most injuries.
There is literally nothing Momoshiki can do here, especially when you consider that the scaling chain is actually in favor Madara if anything because Momoshiki is not accepted as stronger than Kaguya currently afaik. Even if he was though, the difference wouldn't be big enough for us to ignore Madara's ludicrous hax advantage.
Yeah, Madara definitely takes this FRA.
Momoshiki is completely helpless against the TSOs or Limbo, not to mention Madara can just genjutsu GG if he so desired.
He can absorb any Ninijutsu Momoshiki throws at him with the Preta Path, and is impervious to Ninjutsu as well thanks to being a JJ.
If all else fails, which it won't, he can obviously just regenerate from most injuries.
There is literally nothing Momoshiki can do here, especially when you consider that the scaling chain is actually in favor Madara if anything because Momoshiki is not accepted as stronger than Kaguya currently afaik. Even if he was though, the difference wouldn't be big enough for us to ignore Madara's ludicrous hax advantage.
Yeah, Madara definitely takes this FRA.
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As always you are wrong.
Still wrong. In order for Sasuke to travel to different dimensions he also has to open a portal.
So he's going to waste more Chakra by bringing back each individual? Fat chance.
Basically your vote does not count because.
1. You didn't even know what they were scaling to.
2. You don't understand the context and narrative.
3. You don't know how to read or use the profiles at all.
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and why would he BFR then you just admitted sasuke could travel dimensions
Momoshiki doesn't even know how much chakra it takes
Again I corrected this
You don't understand it The context and narative is that Momoshiki is superior to Kaguya so If you want to go with this Momoshiki stomps
I do lol now your complaining because I used logic against you
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