Madara vs Ganondorf (TOTK)

[Theglassman12]

Curious how this one will go down since the last time these two fought, Madara stomped Triforce of Power Ganondorf with just his base form. Jubi Jinchuriki Madara vs Full Power Ganondorf. Takes place in the Ten Tails Battlefield.






Madara: 8 (Nonynho, King of nothing13, FARLANDER3305,Aytugsss, Fallen Angelicx, Delusionaltx2, TauanVictor, XSOULOFCINDERX)

Ganondorf:

Inconclusive:

 

[King_of_nothing13]

i didn't see sleep manipulation residence on Madara's page gg's

jokes aside Ganondorf from what I saw from his page Ganondorf is 1.66666c while Madara is 10c and the truth-seeking orbs dura neg and soul properties would put Ganondorf down and from the looks of it he resists a decent chunk of the gloom abilities, so I am leaning towards Madara

 

[Dust_Collector]

Is now a good time to bring up gloom corruption is layered thanks to Hyrule Warriors and that Ganon's focused speed should actually be like way faster because 1.6c was a placeholder to appease people not liking flurry rushes being a 40 times amp.

 

[King_of_nothing13]

Is now a good time to bring up gloom corruption is layered thanks to Hyrule Warriors

of course, that shit is layered

 

[Theglassman12]

@Dust_Collector Pretty sure Genjutsu is layered too, plus the TSO can instant kill Ganondorf since it can negate his regen and erase him.

 

[Nierre]

following

 

[TauanVictor]

i didn't see sleep manipulation residence on Madara's page gg's

Madara is immune to all genjutsu effects, including sleep.

 

[King_of_nothing13]

Madara is immune to all genjutsu effects, including sleep.

the page says he didn't so the sleep agenda continues

jokes aside that sounds about right

 

[Theglassman12]

Bro’s acting like Itachi with all these ravens he got smoking a pack every time Madara’s loss is guaranteed.

 

[Foriaa]

What are ganondorfs usual tactics and wincon?

 

[Theglassman12]

For this iteration, having Gloom and being much stronger than Madara. Though Madara has Limbo Clones and TSO to help give him the killing blow as well since Ganon doesn’t resist those abilities.

 

[Nierre]

close combat no? i forget what his first phase is like

 

[Foriaa]

Though Madara has Limbo Clones and TSO to help give him the killing blow as well since Ganon doesn’t resist those abilities.

I mean, the Limbo are comparable to Madara, and don't really carry the TSO's with them, they also have limited range and time that they can be out for. Seeing the physical differences, I'm not sure how Madara damages without using TSO for EE. Madara also has 5 layers of mind hax with IT, 1 layer of powernull with TSO's and much more.

What's ganon's usual gameplan aganist someone that's also haxxed out? Madara can sit inside TSO if he's facing a stronger opponent, like he did against Guy

 

[Dust_Collector]

Crenando's usual tactics kinda vary on the situation, given that SBA has them start 4km away from each other he's likely spawning in his minions in front of Madara and assuming they can handle it without knowing what he's capable of. Probs gonna start with the fodder and when they're taken out he's sending in the Phantom Ganon's.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Nierre His first phase is using different weapons that have afflicted Gloom on it which can hamper healing abilities, though given Madara's resistance to status ailments idk if it'll be much of a help here.

@Foriaa said limbo clones are existing in a separate dimension and can't be seen normally without some extradimensional sensing, so Ganondorf would have to deal with beings in another dimension jumping him while the main Madara's able to plan out his attacks.

 

[Foriaa]

pretty sure bros dura is a few hundred times higher than madara's ap, so while he wont be able to interact with them, they wouldn't be doing any meaningful damage to him. also isn't this a massive range diff too? does ganon ever zone his opponents, cause if he does, madara is kinda ******, his main wincon is going to involve the tso's, which have a max range at 70m's. ganon's profile says he has planetary range with him being able to reach the moon with gloom, this should let him stay out of madara's range, for both limbo and tso

 

[Theglassman12]

Ganondorf isn't a dude who spams range a lot given he's all about wanting the thrill of a fight. He'll want to get up close and personal to Madara like he did with Link so that wouldn't mean much, plus the most his "range" kinda boils down to is him summoning a bunch of his minions who are nowhere close to his power level, so at best they're just gonna turn into another punching bag session for Madara like the Shinobi Alliance.

 

[King_of_nothing13]

Also with the range issue doesn't Madara have planetary wide range with the infinite tsukuyomi which is his strongest genJutsu

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ganondorf isn't a dude who spams range a lot given he's all about wanting the thrill of a fight. He'll want to get up close and personal to Madara like he did with Link so that wouldn't mean much, plus the most his "range" kinda boils down to is him summoning a bunch of his minions who are nowhere close to his power level, so at best they're just gonna turn into another punching bag session for Madara like the Shinobi Alliance.

Eh, he's not that big on the thrill of the fight unless he feels like his opponent earned it. When he chased down Rauru and the Sages he blocked them from approaching him with a barrier of gloom and had them fight hundreds of monsters first because he didn't feel like they were worth the effort of engaging (And even then he only initally chased them after they took out his arch fiends and came knocking at his door, for most of the imprisoning war he just had his fiends, monsters, and phantom ganon attack them), same with Link when he arrived at his lair at the end of TOTK. Initially he sent his goons after him and only fought him directly when Link arrived face to face, even expressing disappointment that he had to directly fight Link since he thought he was ass. He only got into the fight and enjoying the thrill when Link proved himself after the first phase of the boss fight.

While the standard mook he'll send out aren't gonna be much hassle for Madara, a single Phantom Ganon downscales from Ganondorf's 5-A feat. And when the Sages beat his inital waves of normal monsters he proceeded to send close to 10 Phantoms to jump them and only after they defeated them did he finally decide "fine I'll do it myself" begrudgenly. He even uses the phantoms as surpise attacks by making them conbust into tendrils of Gloom that home in on the target (He tried sneaking Link at Hyrule castle this way while still remaining in his underground lair).

 

[Theglassman12]

@Dust_Collector Would Madara spamming genjutsu or Truth Seeking Orbs not give Ganondorf any implications of this being a good fight given he's capable of mowing down his minions and phantom forms with hax alone?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The funny thing Madara can do here is the thing every Jojo Stand User can do and have his Limbo Clones body block lethal blows for him since Ganondorf can't interact with them due to lacking the necessary range/NPI.

 

[Aytugsss]

Even tought read all the answers,i didnt understand how ganandorf closing the speed gap and does ganandorf resist infinity tsukiyomi?

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Madara would pretty much reads ganondors power and go on defensive mode covers Himself with TSO Pops up god tree apply genjutsu if he is pushed

 

[FARLANDER3305]

if ganondorf also plays range wise it will be more difficult for madara to win he has huge AP Ls and range advantage
TSO might erase his ass tho
İ see low godly on his profile how is this working. May i ask ?

 

[Theglassman12]

It says so on the page how he regenerates, the links are there but the Low godly stuff doesn't mean much when the TSO can negate Edo-Tensei regeneration, which has Low Godly regeneration to begin with.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It says so on the page how he regenerates, the links are there but the Low godly stuff doesn't mean much when the TSO can negate Edo-Tensei regeneration, which has Low Godly regeneration to begin with.

I thought we accepted that was because it just turns the jutsu off rather than damaging the soul?

 

[Theglassman12]

It's accepted that TSO can erase all ninjutsus and Edo Tensei's souls literally have permanent damage on them given Minato's soul still lost his limbs as a soul, so the Low godly regen isn't going to help Ganon here.

 

[Foriaa]

I agree with that, however, the verse has a discussion rule surrounding that

• Do not attempt to give Truth-Seeking Balls Soul Manipulation due to Minato's soul losing arms alongside his Edo Tensei body from them, as extensive discussion regarding the topic deemed it a side effect of Truth-Seeking Balls nullifying the Edo Tensei ninjutsu's binding effect, thus only indirectly returning those parts of his soul to the Pure Land.

 

[Theglassman12]

I mean it's mostly Regen negation that I'm referring to that Madara should have, not merely soul hax since it's blatant the Edo Tensei's healing factor wouldn't work.

 

[Foriaa]

It is, and it was a wincon I wanted to bring up but seeing as how its not on madara's profile, can't really. madara has to incap him with gj while camping inside tso, he can't deal with ganon's ap or ls

 

[Theglassman12]

He still has Existence Erasure from the TSO which can go even as far as erasing the soul, something Ganondorf does not resist so TSO is still a wincon here.

 

[Theglassman12]

Bump

 

[Ozcantabak]

Wouldn't Madara in character just remove his horn and cast infinite tsukuyomi ?

 

[Foriaa]

Requires some prep, like flying somewhat near the moon and then casting it, he was only able to do this in the manga due to dropping dozens of CT’s on team 7 first. He’d have to distract Ganon first

 

[Ozcantabak]

Requires some prep, like flying somewhat near the moon and then casting it, he was only able to do this in the manga due to dropping dozens of CT’s on team 7 first. He’d have to distract Ganon first

Well, he is 6 times faster and limbo clones should be able to hold Ganon via better LS.

 

[Foriaa]

Ganon is class Y, so Madara won’t be able to hold him down. The speed advantage is good thi

 

[Ozcantabak]

Ganon is class Y, so Madara won’t be able to hold him down. The speed advantage is good thi

He is class m physically, and i might be wrong but i don't think he ever used gloom to overpower someones LS in a fight.

 

[Nonynho]

D A M N.

Thought you were going to cook a lasagna, mf cooked a spicy tteokbokki

i'll be sure to look this with attention

 

[Nonynho]

I'm convinced Madara FRA

Because for basically any wincon to work the way Ganondorf intends, Madara can't ever hit with TSBs a single time which is MADNESS to assume, specially with Ganondorf being such a cqc-oriented fella

 

[Theglassman12]

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