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Wouldn't Zeldris Non-Phyiscal interaction come into play when obito goes intangible?
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No it wouldn'tWouldn't Zeldris Non-Phyiscal interaction come into play when obito goes intangible?
Can you explain why?No it wouldn't
Because Obito phases his body into the kamui dimensionCan you explain why?
Obitos intang works by him being in another dimensionCan you explain why?
It doesn’t matter as soon as Obito touches Zeldris his chakra will be sealed and Zeldris slashes his head off with hellblazeObitos intang works by him being in another dimension
Zeldris's NPI is likely soul based and is definitly not able to hit Obitos intang which even spatial NPI cannot hit
NPI is hitting something occupying a space in a non-corporal way. Like a ghost.Can you explain why?
Obitos intang works by him being in another dimension
Zeldris's NPI is likely soul based and is definitly not able to hit Obitos intang which even spatial NPI cannot hit
Appreciate the infoNPI is hitting something occupying a space in a non-corporal way. Like a ghost.
Obito's power is warping sections of his body to another dimension, so you just don't hit anything, it just misses.
I'm sorry but whathis chakra will be sealed
god works trough contact so if Zeldris or if obito makes constant god will seal away his chakra since energies are equalizedI'm sorry but what
Yes he starts off with god all the time it’s practically on all the time since we don’t know how he initiates itwould zel start with that?
Exactly this. I vaguely remember reading this somewhere. This explains why he can still sense things from the real world. Also he is able to stand on the ground instead of slipping through.NPI is hitting something occupying a space in a non-corporal way. Like a ghost.
Obito's power is warping sections of his body to another dimension, so you just don't hit anything, it just misses.
Exactly if Obito touches Zeldris his chakra will be sealed and Zeldris can one shot him with hellblaze and ON or steal his soul eventuallyExactly this. I vaguely remember reading this somewhere. This explains why he can still sense things from the real world. Also he is able to stand on the ground instead of slipping through.
My vote is still neutral, but as of now, the wincons
Obito
Counters against obito:
- Kamui all Zeldris hearts
- BFR
- God
- Darkness construct to defend. The darkness would get kamuid instead of Zeldris body.. I dont remember kamui cutting through multiple objects at the same time. So the kamui leaves holes in Zeldris darkness which gets closed again.
- Attack at the moment obito wants to BFR him (obito can't stay intangible and BFR at the same time)
Zeldris wincons:
Obito's counters:
- If Zeldris grabs obito, it's game over. If zeldris doesn't release him, even izanagi won't activate
- Forcing obito to stay intangible by dooming the place with hellblaze, using ON, keep following and attacking etc. After 5 min, intangibility reaches its limit. But this depends on his intelligence. Melascula knew Ban couldn't keep the stolen strenght for long. I think Zeldris is at least as smart. He for example knew estarossa would secretly steal the 10c so Zeldris didn't have to go after them himself.
- Not sure if this would work, maybe zeldris can still curse him like he cursed Merlin?
- If zeldris forces obito to stay intangible, chances are obito will try to run away (to escape). I think in this case, the peity commandment activates?
Zeldris seems to have better wincons
- Activate reactivatie intangibility at the right time? That's difficulty when zeldris constantly follows him while the places is doomed with hellblaze.
- Substituions and distractions?
- Use physical objects since ninjutsu won't work
Looks alright, what about win cons if he uses ominous nebula?Exactly this. I vaguely remember reading this somewhere. This explains why he can still sense things from the real world. Also he is able to stand on the ground instead of slipping through.
My vote is still neutral, but as of now, the wincons
Obito
Counters against obito:
- Kamui all Zeldris hearts
- BFR
- God
- Darkness construct to defend. The darkness would get kamuid instead of Zeldris body.. I dont remember kamui cutting through multiple objects at the same time. So the kamui leaves holes in Zeldris darkness which gets closed again.
- Attack at the moment obito wants to BFR him (obito can't stay intangible and BFR at the same time)
Zeldris wincons:
Obito's counters:
- If Zeldris grabs obito, it's game over. If zeldris doesn't release him, even izanagi won't activate
- Forcing obito to stay intangible by dooming the place with hellblaze, using ON, keep following and attacking etc. After 5 min, intangibility reaches its limit. But this depends on his intelligence. Melascula knew Ban couldn't keep the stolen strenght for long. I think Zeldris is at least as smart. He for example knew estarossa would secretly steal the 10c so Zeldris didn't have to go after them himself.
- Not sure if this would work, maybe zeldris can still curse him like he cursed Merlin?
- If zeldris forces obito to stay intangible, chances are obito will try to run away (to escape). I think in this case, the peity commandment activates?
Zeldris seems to have better wincons
- Activate reactivatie intangibility at the right time? That's difficulty when zeldris constantly follows him while the places is doomed with hellblaze.
- Substituions and distractions?
- Use physical objects since ninjutsu won't work
He could use that to force obito to Stay intangible after that, he gets pulled. Only way to escape is BFR himself but then, there is peity :0Looks alright, what about win cons if he uses ominous nebula?
He has to seal Obito chakra first trough contact which will happen eventuallyLooks alright, what about win cons if he uses ominous nebula?
The obito loses since he has superior LS but the same thing happens chakra seal and obito gets haxes to deathWhat also could happen is that zeldris immediately binds him the moment he gets pulled
Zeldris has ON and speed amps ant etc since god will null genjutsu as agreed on in another threadWouldn't Obito start using genjutsu and rinnegan abilities when he realises he can't pull a kamui gg, plus sharingan can read and predict attacks so wouldn't that help him in avoiding physical attacks.
Not trying to argue for Obito, just making suggestions since I at least know that much about Obito (not on war arc yet).
The op decision is final
If someone happens to prove they can't be equalised then I'll change it since I'm not omniscient (especially with really limited knowledge on both Obito and 7ds in general).It is for the sake of the thread, but it also must be noted in the OP itself rather than in the body of the thread.
Fair enoughZeldris has ON and speed amps ant etc since god will null genjutsu as agreed on in another thread
Yes it will activate piety if he tries to fleeFair enough
Also, if Obito decided to go to the kamui dimension to make a strategy based on Zeldris' moves, would that activate piety since he's technically fleeing even if temporary?
I think genjutsu would be countered by god. If I am correct, genjutsu is a jutsu that works by injecting chakra through the senses of the victim. This jutsu has to go past god which won't work.Wouldn't Obito start using genjutsu and rinnegan abilities when he realises he can't pull a kamui gg, plus sharingan can read and predict attacks so wouldn't that help him in avoiding physical attacks.
Not trying to argue for Obito, just making suggestions since I at least know that much about Obito (not on war arc yet).
All of them, in character he doesn't use them but he hasn't gone up against opponents like ZeldrisWhat rinnegan abilities can he use?
Sasuke and Naruto at the valley of the end were comparable and sasuke using his sharingan prediction could see several images of were Naruto would be and what attacks he would use before Naruto even made them and set up counters before Naruto even got into position.I doubt it's all attacks. He still should be fast enough in combat. Zeldris and archangel Ludo had a sword fight testing each other out. They clashed so fast that it looked as if they weren't moving. I wonder if Obito can keep up with this. If combat speed is equalized then he should be able to keep up but zeldris has amps. His combat speed could force obito to stay intangible if Zeldris is near.
Yes but Zeldirs has ON and omnious bind to help him and he can soul steal and has piety that will activate if obito tries to fleeAll of them, in character he doesn't use them but he hasn't gone up against opponents like Zeldris
Sasuke and Naruto at the valley of the end were comparable and sasuke using his sharingan prediction could see several images of were Naruto would be and what attacks he would use before Naruto even made them and set up counters before Naruto even got into position.
Mangekyo sharingan is > normal sharingan which did the feats listed above so it should help alot against Zeldris and his amps.
While I doubt he can predict ominous nebula and bind exactly, if he predicts him going into a strange stance then he'll go intangible and back up a safe distance.Yes but Zeldirs has ON and omnious bind to help him and he can soul steal and has piety that will activate if obito tries to flee
Yes but physical contact will happen eventually and obito chakra will be sealed. Actually just Zeldris putting his arm out will activate Omnious bind. ON activates instantly and is way faster than obito.While I doubt he can predict ominous nebula and bind exactly, if he predicts him going into a strange stance then he'll go intangible and back up a safe distance.
ExactlyMay i ask how Obito just kamui's Zeldris's hearts? IIRC it's kakashi who had the range based kamui
Through contact with kamui which will probably kill him.Exactly
Yes they both have win cons but Zeldris has a higher chance of winning try to get the supporters of the verse hereThrough contact with kamui which will probably kill him.
The match kinda seems to be very skewered towards Zeldris if obito has no knowledge that touching Zeldris means game over, although I may be wrong so correct me if I'm wrong.
ExactlySo touch based bfr, except if he touches him he gets nulled (according to Speed)?
No, it wouldn't kill him imo. Demons can regenerate from a hole in their head. Unless obito kamui all 7 hearts he wins. He will have to use this technique 7 Times. Zeldris will ofcourse dodge it after seeing what kamui can do (if he doesn't use god)Through contact with kamui which will probably kill him.
The match kinda seems to be very skewered towards Zeldris if obito has no knowledge that touching Zeldris means game over, although I may be wrong so correct me if I'm wrong.
Obito spams kamui through the intag, the bfr being a part of the same group of abilities, hashirama cells give him very good stamina which allows him to use sharingan abilities with much less strain.No, it wouldn't kill him imo. Demons can regenerate from a hole in their head. Unless obito kamui all 7 hearts he wins. He will have to use this technique 7 Times. Zeldris will ofcourse dodge it after seeing what kamui can do (if he doesn't use god)
Chances are that kamui puts a lot of strain on his eyes. Intangibility would reach his limit. I have never seen obito spamming kamui.
I only see obito reaching his limit the longer zeldris is around tbh.