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Madara Uchiha representative Vs demon king representative

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How many layers of resistance do they have? Obito doesn't need to touch him to win, all he really needs to do is bfr him into the kamui dimension.
 
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How many layers of resistance do they have? Obito doesn't need to touch him to win, all he really needs to do is bfr him into the kamui dimension.
Like 2 or 3 layers idk, all demon even fodder have it do they live in demon world. mind hax at 7ds are too much, like from Demon world environment miasma, commandments, gowther invasion and anything else i don't remember it
 
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Like 2 or 3 layers idk, all demon even fodder have it do they live in demon world. mind hax at 7ds are too much, like from Demon world environment miasma, commandments, gowther invasion and anything else i don't remember it
Obito has five layers of potency and I believe 3 or 4 layers of resistance.
 
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And about kamui dimension, can it countered by spatial manipulation?
There's moment went zeldris save meliodas who was got bfr to walless space dubs and zeldris broke it
 
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And about kamui dimension, can it countered by spatial manipulation?
There's moment went zeldris save meliodas who was got bfr to walless space dubs and zeldris broke it
From my understanding, he destroyed that dimension from the outside opposed to the inside, and that dimension seems to be a small sphere while the kamui dimension is vast empty space (no confirmed size of it).
 
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That was under completely different circumstances. Obito did this to both of Danzos guards, during the Five Kage Summit.
Well mainly, my point is that he didn't do it to anybody who was worth his dime in the war, but he did it to fodder, likely as a means to just get them over with.

But fighting somebody who is competent and comparable in strength to him, I see no reason why he would do it. Against the multitude of people he has fought since his introduction, he only used it against fodder? Once? I highly doubt he'd use it here, at least not unless he's on his last leg
 
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Well mainly, my point is that he didn't do it to anybody who was worth his dime in the war, but he did it to fodder, likely as a means to just get them over with.

But fighting somebody who is competent and comparable in strength to him, I see no reason why he would do it. Against the multitude of people he has fought since his introduction, he only used it against fodder? Once? I highly doubt he'd use it here, at least not unless he's on his last leg
That is a fair point, but the OP kinda has Obito somewhat out of character since his Bijuu are restricted which means his war arc fights would be vastly different. Now I'm not saying he'll immediately bfr or genjutsu, but it is a good game ender if needed especially of Zeldris pushes him far enough.
 
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Mind Manipulation resistance ain't layered in NNT, the purgatory just have madness hax and etc not mind hax, and only DK, GD, and Gowther has mind manip resistance that i remember and the others doesn't have it
 

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That is a fair point, but the OP kinda has Obito somewhat out of character since his Bijuu are restricted which means his war arc fights would be vastly different. Now I'm not saying he'll immediately bfr or genjutsu, but it is a good game ender if needed especially of Zeldris pushes him far enough.
Zeldris will seal his chakra as soon as he touches him
Obito (white mask) (3.347 or 2.67 gigatons) Vs Zeldris (base) (> 4.3 gigatons)

Zeldris is either 1.3x or 1.6x stronger than Obito AP wise

Biju restricted, speed equalised
Could you give Zeldris basic knowledge about genjutsu?
Mind Manipulation resistance ain't layered in NNT, the purgatory just have madness hax and etc not mind hax, and only DK, GD, and Gowther has mind manip resistance that i remember and the others doesn't have it
It is layered
 

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That is a fair point, but the OP kinda has Obito somewhat out of character since his Bijuu are restricted which means his war arc fights would be vastly different. Now I'm not saying he'll immediately bfr or genjutsu, but it is a good game ender if needed especially of Zeldris pushes him far enough.
If Zeldris gets touched obito chakra is sealed
 

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He won't be able to touch obito due to kamui, and just get beat up. Also why would the OP give knowledge of genjutsu?
So this fight can work Nope Zedris has higher ap and durability. If obito turns his back piety will activate also Estarossa broke out of a dimension after absorbing the truth commandment and passive fear aura too.
 

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He won't be able to touch obito due to kamui, and just get beat up. Also why would the OP give knowledge of genjutsu?
I said if Zeldris touches obito or vice versa his chakra will be sealed. That's how god works kamui won't work on god anyway. Genjutsu won't work because of god
 
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So this fight can work Nope Zedris has higher ap and durability. If obito turns his back piety will activate also Estarossa broke out of a dimension after absorbing the truth commandment and passive fear aura too.
Obito resist fear aura, and higher ap means nothing when it's a tiny advantage and obito is more skilled. You don't nerf a character to make it "fair" you just don't make the fight in the first place.
 

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Obito resist fear aura, and higher ap means nothing when it's a tiny advantage and obito is more skilled. You don't nerf a character to make it "fair" you just don't make the fight in the first place.
He is not being nerfed just Zeldris knows about genjutsu that's all it's allowed. Fear hax is layered worked on those that resist fear hax.
 

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I have a hard time believing what you're saying is in any way accurate.
God: Zeldris' magic power, given to him by the Demon King. He can use it to seal others' magic, which he did to Drole. It has been implied that using it makes him much more powerful than he is normally. This Power allows him to be resistant to all types of magic, and remain virtually untouched by them.
 
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What's Zeldris' response to kamui intag and does Zeldris' get genjutsu GG by Obito, if he does then I don't see a problem with giving him basic knowledge (the stuff Guy and Kakashi said to Asuma and Kurenai about Itachi) since Obito doesn't use genjutsu that much from what ik (correct me if I'm wrong though since I'm only up to the part where Naruto is learning his chakra nature and the Akatsuki have started making their moves).
 

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What's Zeldris' response to kamui intag and does Zeldris' get genjutsu GG by Obito, if he does then I don't see a problem with giving him basic knowledge (the stuff Guy and Kakashi said to Asuma and Kurenai about Itachi) since Obito doesn't use genjutsu that much from what ik (correct me if I'm wrong though since I'm only up to the part where Naruto is learning his chakra nature and the Akatsuki have started making their moves).
Zeldris reponse to intang is god which will seal his chakra and he won't be affected by kamui
 

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As soon and obito touches Zeldris his chakra will be sealed remember he has to become tangible to attack people and warp things away
He doesn't have to touch people to BFR them, that just guarantees it works. He can Kamui away things as long as they're a couple feet in front of him.
 
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Obito isn't using Kamui in character to BFR, and Zeldris isn't using God right away, so why is this being argued rn
 
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When the ice holy knight used up his magic power he died so it’s very similar to chakra
That is not a proof nor a good argument to prove that they have similar power system and i give an advice that bring scans and create a constructive and an understandable argument if you wanna prove it to the others
 
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No because the power systems needs to be similar in order to be equalized which has yet to be proved by the NNT supporter
I dont understand the problem. In the beginning there was no chakra in Naruto. Later chakra became a part of life. No chakra = death.
When the ice holy knight used up his magic power he died so it’s very similar to chakra

Then there is natural energy which is also present in NNT but obito doesn't use such.
Chakra is literally the main energy systems which enables Ninjas to use supernatural abilities

Is that not similar enough?
 
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Not this again. Don't know why NNT supporters try to make non magical energy systems equal to magic in NNT. Chakra is literally Alien genes + natural energy + spiritual energy. Aint no way magic the same. Anyway, Kamui gg Zeldris won't even know what happened to him +++++ zeldris doesn't resist spatial manipulation or bfr +++++ Obito intangibility > Ominous Nebula
 

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Not this again. Don't know why NNT supporters try to make non magical energy systems equal to magic in NNT. Chakra is literally Alien genes + natural energy + spiritual energy. Aint no way magic the same. Anyway, Kamui gg Zeldris won't even know what happened to him +++++ zeldris doesn't resist spatial manipulation or bfr +++++ Obito intangibility > Ominous Nebula
Zeldris can break out he has spacial manipulation on his profile. The op can equalize energies. And god will nullify it
 
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Zeldris can break out he has spacial manipulation on his profile. The op can equalize energies. And god will nullify it
Kamui shoot his head off. Op hasn't equalized and shouldn't as it gives an insane advantage. can also use black receivers.
 
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Not this again. Don't know why NNT supporters try to make non magical energy systems equal to magic in NNT. Chakra is literally Alien genes + natural energy + spiritual energy. Aint no way magic the same. Anyway, Kamui gg Zeldris won't even know what happened to him +++++ zeldris doesn't resist spatial manipulation or bfr +++++ Obito intangibility > Ominous Nebula
Natural energy and chakra are different so far i remember? Natural energies are stored in the body?
 
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If Zeldris breaks out of Kamui Dimension then what? its not like the real world is just right there once he breaks the dimensional barrier. He won't just end up back in the real world. Obito goes in intangibility and then bfrs.
 
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He just breaks kamui and returns back also god nullifies this.
He has never broken separate dimension, he's broken a spatial barrier, but breaking a dimension he has not done that. we don't even know what is outside of the Kamui Dimension so this plan will just not work.
 

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He has never broken separate dimension, he's broken a spatial barrier, but breaking a dimension he has not done that. we don't even know what is outside of the Kamui Dimension so this plan will just not work.
It doesn’t matter this argument is pointless if energies are equalized
 

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Wouldn't Obitos Rinnegan abilities come more into play here considering no biiju?
 
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I will play along, my take on this:
  1. Zeldris cant seal obito's abilities because Chakra is not magic
  2. Zeldris cant negate obito's ninjutsus cause it isn't magic
  3. Obito doesn't need to be intangible against ON cause he doesn't have magic (he won't get sucked in)
  4. Genjutsu won't work
  5. Soul steal won't work because obito's soul is..ehm..chakra, like his body?
That said, obito win con is staying intangible and spam kamui aiming for a headshot

If demons can regenerate from having a hole in their head, it's a stomp

BFR Zeldris into obito's own dimension isn't really a win con. Zeldris is still alive and can continue to live on for a really long time. That means obito has to fight him there.

Does obito have more wincons?

zeldris win con: nothing

It's a stomp

Nice fight
 

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I will play along, my take on this:
  1. Zeldris cant seal obito's abilities because Chakra is not magic
  2. Zeldris cant negate obito's ninjutsus cause it isn't magic
  3. Obito doesn't need to be intangible against ON cause he doesn't have magic (he won't get sucked in)
  4. Genjutsu won't work
  5. Soul steal won't work because obito's soul is..ehm..chakra, like his body?
That said, obito win con is staying intangible and spam kamui aiming for a headshot

If demons can regenerate from having a hole in their head, it's a stomp

BFR Zeldris into obito's own dimension isn't really a win con. Zeldris is still alive and can continue to live on for a really long time. That means obito has to fight him there.

Does obito have more wincons?

zeldris win con: nothing

It's a stomp

Nice fight
He still has his Jinchūriki since you can't restrict them so unless he loses them, he can't use his Rinnegan.
It's not up to the OP it still needs to be similar in order for it to be equalized
Wouldn't Obitos Rinnegan abilities come more into play here considering no biiju?
here
 
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BFR Zeldris into obito's own dimension isn't really a win con. Zeldris is still alive and can continue to live on for a really long time. That means obito has to fight him there.
no bfr for more than a week I believe gives it to the winner
 

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Obito FRA
You don’t need chakra for genjutsu to work
Refer to the genjutsu thread also the mind manip in NNT is not layered
 
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If that is the rule then obito wins 😂
Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.
 
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I think its 5-2.
Don't see how zeldris can win this one. If it was DM2 or DK zeldris then sure.
Obito FRA
Now its 6-2 one more til grace
 
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It’s is a stomp since you won’t equalize energy because you want obito to win. How sad
Why would we equalized the energy when you can't even give an constructive argument or scans that they're similar and i don't give a shit on either of this character. I just wanted to point out that if you want to equalize the energy explain to us what are the similarities of their power systems
 

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Why would we equalized the energy when you can't even give an constructive argument or scans that they're similar and i don't give a shit on either of this character. I just wanted to point out that if you want to equalize the energy explain to us what are the similarities of their power systems
I did you just ignored me and keep your head canon. I am definitely reporting this match and leaving this wiki after the nnt upgrades. This is incredulity fallacy and head canon
 
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I did you just ignored me and keep your head canon. I am definitely reporting this match and leaving this wiki after the nnt upgrades. This is incredulity fallacy and head canon
You didn't prove a single shit like ever and i'm just gonna ignore you since you're biased to every NNT character and you always do this to every thread that you engage with
 
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