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Lupin III Discussion Thread (2)

ShrekAnakin said:
But do we think Lupin could solve the Kira case?
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Pretty easily all things considered, dude is perfectly built to counter the Death note and has a laundry list of intelligence feats to back up him figuring things out

The two most notable aspects that give him an advantage is simply the fact that

  1. Lupin canonically has barley any information on him on the internet, he's practically considered a ghost by people who look into him and everything known about him by police are classified as either allegedly, unknown, or presumed (They even list Arsene Lupin III as an alias with real name unknown)
  2. The dude just can't be hit by the Death Note because the man pulls a batman and just has a mask over his real face, meaning Light would just never know what his real face is
 
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Detective_Blizzard said:
Got the revision up

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Lupin III revisions: Koikeverse Update

Howdy there, got a more straightforward revision here as I want for the other one to get approval while I update that one with improved translations and images. This revision sets it's sights on undoing a previous removal which removed The Woman Called Fujiko and all her related content from the...
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Finally got 2 staff votes on it, meaning that in a few hours I'll be able to update the profiles
 
To celebrate the fact that the Koikeverse is finally back in full force, I've decided to let yall in on a few little secrets that the Gambling Update has in store.

1. Lupin and Zenigata will be getting Island Level Optional Equipment thanks to their mechs, which can do this shit

2. Zenigata will be getting Planetary Range for some of his equipment on account of him having ICPO tech that allows him to monitor and track things from across the entire globe and even into Earth's space + he just own a orbital space laser with his face on it

3. Because of the fact that I now feel threatened by Lupin and Zenigata having such high stats, I've decided it's time to remember what's truly important in this verse. Buffing Goemon again! He will now be considered MOON LEVEL and there is supporting evidence in-verse which makes this not just a one time thing and actually viable
 
Wanted an opinion on how the new profiles should look, which style would better for the abilities

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Stefano4444 said:
I'm going to be honest, i'm very skeptical about Pachinko games be usable.
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Why's that? If it's because of it's unorthodox media then I'd like to inform you that it is a legitimate source, most notable examples that I know of is Guilty Gear and Tekken, both of which just have outright canon material inside pachinko machines. Hell Tekken has that stuff accepted a year ago.
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Why's that? If it's because of it's unorthodox media then I'd like to inform you that it is a legitimate source, most notable examples that I know of is Guilty Gear and Tekken, both of which just have outright canon material inside pachinko machines. Hell Tekken has that stuff accepted a year ago.
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I can't say much about Guilty Gear and i'm not sure about Tekken, to be skeptical of using stuff from pachinkos in general.

Then again if this cases were accepted, then i don't see why Lupin III has to be the exception, especially if TMS had the approval.
 
Gonna be looking into some of the movies over the weekend to find more examples of the more high-end Lupin stuff and confirm or deny the validity of some of the things that I've seen talked about/people have brought up to me


As a side note I now have to actually do a cosmology blog on this verse now because for Mamo knows what reason TMS decided that he should be a Supergenius capable of warping all of space-time
 
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First on up and GOOD GOD WE ALREADY HAVE A BIG ONE

Went to do some fact checking on this feat since it's been directed to my personal attention be people in direct messages, and that's the dues ex machina from Last Job

In last job, there is an item called the Fujin which is considered the 'ultimate weapon'. It's a portable superconducting particle accelerator stated to be capable of creating a black hole strong enough to destroy an entire island and all of it's atoms with it being shown to have a massive AP output with Lupin being capable of holding onto it for an extended period of time and survive it. Now then, comes the fun part, where I have to argue on if this makes any form of scientific sense and the result is........

Surprisingly yes, superconductive particle accelerators are theorized to create black holes, however the type it would create are 'Quantum Black Holes' which are created from protons colliding as opposed to cosmic ones which form from stars collapsing. These black holes have far lower mass than the standard ones and can be created through the use of superconductive particle accelerators theoretically if enough power was provided, something impossible for us currently as any created would be destroyed too quickly due to the black hole having too little mass to exist. Which means that yes, Lupin III has a legitimate black hole feat (albeit a very nerfed one) which realistically could lead into mountain and island levels of AP based on my research.

@Stefano4444 you think this is enough to warrant a full approval of the new Pachinko feats? Unironically this falls very much in line with the storm feat and the Zenigata-Robo explosion feat. I'm going to be checking more stuff that I recall crazy stuff happening in but this is like "the big one" on the simple fact that it's a black hole
 
(also realized, it being a actual black hole or not doesn't matter since it still shows the capability to completely erase an island. Meaning itd still be a supporting feat for the higher Lupin stuff)
 
Stefano4444 said:
I guess, i'm not know enough about black holes stuff to be certain if this legitimately count as sheer AP/Dura feat, or if there are some issues that disqualify it.

If you want you can make a CRT and see if you get enough support.
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Like I mentioned, even without the black hole thing it is just blatantly an island destroyer. Real black hole or not that would be a AP/DP feat since Lupin is legitimately withstanding the force of it which is clearly showing destructive powers on a very high caliber and supports the idea that the pachinko feats are more consistent
 
Will do a crt involving it later down the line (don't want to waste an entire slot on it if i could lump it in with a more general TV special revision) to get better clarity on how we would quantify it. But thats for another time since that needs a lot of research
 
Since I've been arguing about how the 'canon' of Lupin is been handled with DimeUhDozen again, I figured I'd like to get some of your guy's opinions of something

Should the profiles just be categorized as composite versions of the characters? The word 'canon' in this franchise has always been an incredibly weird and convoluted topic which has only really existed in fan conversations of the series, with there never really being a primary line of events for the characters to follow (Part 5 just confirms the fact that Part 1 and First Contact both exist at once, despite being contradictory events, and without Part 5 we are left with basically nothing). I'd honestly vote in favor of it due to a few reasons

1. The definition of a composite character: By the staff's own words "Composite basically means to fusion 2 or more versions of the same character and generally apply the absolute strongest/best versions of each field, and basically applying all strengths and none of the unshared weaknesses.", this would fit perfectly in line with the TMS versions of the characters and basically are how we treat them in the first place. It also allows us to still exclude specific versions like the original Monkey Punch version of the character or much more controversial media usage like actual advertisements (unless we want to include them, which I guess is fair game but I don't necessarily agree)

2. This would portray a more accurate version of the franchise, not from a VS perspective, but from a general one. I think I can speak for everyone that this is a franchise where the answer to "Where should I start when getting into the series" is typically "You can start anywhere you like, but here are my personal favorites". The franchise is filled with different media, themes, and ideologies that are constantly contradicting each other but create the overall whole we see in the Lupin name. From Castle of Cagliostro's majestic vibes, to Mystery of Mamo's insanity driven secrets, to Island of Assassin's gritty Monkey Punch influences, all the way to The First's more classic yet inventive direction it all falls together to create the monkey man we all know and love.

3. It depicts Lupin in particular in a far more accurate light. The franchise has always made him to be a walking contradiction, sometimes a standup gentleman who saves princesses from castles, sometimes a perv with a golden heart, sometimes a maniac with the mind of a child, and sometimes an actual psychopath. With things like Red vs Green and Part 5 driving home the idea that Lupin is less of a singular person and more of an idea, with RvG having countless of Lupin copies each with equally valid standings to the point that the rest of the cast can't even figure out who's real and who's fake, and Part 5 showing that Lupin's entire history is like that of a ghost where even the face we see is nothing but a mask hiding an unknown truth never to truly be discovered.

But that's just my opinion, so I want to know how yall feel on this @Tonygameman @Stefano4444 @Fireld. And I know yall don't talk much around here but I figured it'd be worth mentioning it to you too @TacticalNuke002 since you are listed on the knowledgeable members list. If we agree on this fact then I'll try my best and do some research on how to get the series greenlit for a composite status, since I fear that might be the only way to get revisions out there without needing to constantly argue on what is or isn't canon for a franchise that gives it the middle finger.
 
I'm starting to lean towards your idea.

Tho about stats, assuming Pachinko games high-end AP/Durability feats get accepted would it be better if the gang gets varies tier?

Sorry for the lackluster response.
 
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Fireld said:
I'm starting to lean towards with your idea.
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Thank you

Fireld said:
Tho about stats, assuming Pachinko games high-end AP/Durability feats get accepted would it be better if the gang gets varies tier?
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If we go the road of compositing them, then no as we'd just use whatever is the most impressive and legitimate according to the composite rules.

If we don't go that road, then still no since "This does not include characters who are simply inconsistent or have unexplainable variations in their displayed power level. The fluctuations in power must have a clear and logical basis within the character's respective canon." So it's either we use the feats or we don't, but again that problem goes out the window if we decide to composite the franchise. This also helps with characterization for VS fights since obviously without it we have like 12 different Lupin mindsets that have to systematically be decided by arbitration whereas a Composite one would simply be Lupin's most consistent portrayals which would likely just fall under his modern characterization since TMS did the work for us on that one.

Fireld said:
Sorry for the lackluster response.
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Perfectly fine and acceptable, I just want to make sure I'm including everyone in these changes and not just trying to create my own dystopian versions of the characters. Even with the pachinko stuff I tried to stay as conservative as I could on what does and doesn't count as a feat (they throw a lot of random stuff in there with no context) and only followed through with bigger things if it was just blatant or had an actual explanation somewhere. The input you did give is greatly appreciated
 
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