Sound: No, that seems like a very far-fetched way to characterize sound-manip
hmmm
I think this is an example for the developed senses, but there are other examples.
I added another link, check again
Lucifer has control over all hell: this includes the burning regions of hell and the flames in the hell cycles, so it can be inferred that he can control the hell flame. It has also been shown that demons like mallus and angels like manny have previously been able to control the flame.
Then what abilitie this?
Manny and a lot of angels did this.
Is it not enough that he is a being who lives on a different plane of existence? This plane was not affected by a crisis that destroyed the entire multiverse.
Now that I think about it, just the simple act of going to Lucifer directly rather than literally anyone else should be enough to cement the fact that he's also sovereign.
As soon as possible, I will add statements stating that lucifer has control over all hell
I agree with that but it might be better with evidence
It's been almost a week, when will you evaluate?
Sound: Dunno what this is, but it ain't sound manip in my eyes
Sure.
I can't judge this at the moment due to some circumstances.
Given the level of control he has, this is reasonable.
I wouldn't say this is invulnerability. Knives and bullets still pierce him, they just don't truly harm him.
Can't they do that in heaven as well? This might be Clairvoyance.
Agree. Spoilers for other people.
He didn't necessarily give it to Chloe, just like the mental barriers that render him vulnerable, it just didn't work properly on her and bounced back.
Seems good.
He can do this, as we see when he saves Chloe from Cain and co, and we see him travel across dimensions with them.
I'm neutral on this one, particularly.
That's specifically the angel Manny. So, I disagree.
Different =/= higher dimensional.
I disagree with the reasoning, but I'm pretty sure he should have it given his magical objects.
I'd make this a possibly, and limit it to his Hell-bound stats.
He burned the grim reaper's sword
Check the profile of Mallus and Neron
Michael is also an archangel like lucifer, so yes, he is much stronger than a normal angel and demons
There is time in hell
Since he can burn flaming sword without a key, I think that his ability is not limited to hell
Cain shoots lucifer, and lucifer is not impressed by it
Yes, they can hear the prayers when they are in heaven.
I don't fully understand, do you agree? Or do you not?
Hell has similar characteristics as the 5th dimension;
A preacher with Imogen's wing healed people. (Imogen is a fallen angel)
This quote proves that the powers of angels are magic.
I don't see why we should classify it with hell. There's no reason to think that you can't do this ability outside of hell
I suppose that's fine.
I suppose it's selective, then. I guess this could be fine if you grab those invulnerability quotes, but other angels can physically harm other angels with punches, so it's a bit sketchy.
I know. That's my point.
Where's that? He just sees her.
I don't.
All that proves is that it's outside the multiverse's space-time. I'm not saying it's not possible, it's just not proof.
Ok, sure.
Except that he'd do it in Hell, and hasn't shown it otherwise.
If you watch the scene again, you can see that Chloe shoots lucifer's foot before getting out of the elevator and gets hurt.
I don't understand why you don't agree, Lucifer unintentionally gives Chloe his own power because of his self-realization ability, and then takes it back from her.
Okey
Okay, then this ability is limited to hell
Angels are invincible against things that are not divine. I mean, non-divine human weapons such as guns, knives do not affect them, but angels and demons can affect them because they are divine.
Ok, that makes sense.
Because, again, he's not actually giving her his abilities. It's just projection, like how he thought that Chloe rendered him vulnerable when it was self-actualisation.
Sure, then.
Since this ability can be gained with mind manipulation, it remains as pain manipulation.
As seen in the flaming sword, it is not limited to hell as it can use this ability in the world.
Changed hearing prayers to Clairvoyance and added new description for Enhanced Senses
The justification of this ability has been changed
Changed Power Absorption to power nullification and added new justification
The majority accepted it as teleportation.
Removed from OP
This ability is restricted to hell
I don't have a problem with that, it's fine and I'll take a crt for that, it's about every universe in hell being a universe
In the last seasons of the show, he had his self-actualization ability under control.
This ability is not shown throughout the series because Lucifer is against taking over humans and other angels wouldn't want to argue with an archangel who also has the Flaming Sword.
It does not need oxygen and sleep, as it exists before time and literally stays in hell forever and guards it.
The city we see in the Arrowverse is where the demons in hell hang out when they're not torturing souls. In Lucifer, we saw that lucifer told a demon to stop torturing and the demon was gone, so there is a place where demons go when they don't torture souls.
I'll admit the last season was not my favorite by far and didn't leave me a great impact so I might have missed that
Problem is that the series never implies angels can do that as well. The restriction was strictly for demons, angels appear in their own form and we see this when they're in Hell or Heaven and still have the same appearence
Hmm true for that, all types can work then
Problem is that nothing is explained about that place. I'm on the side of saying the two fit well with each other but we have no clear statement or even implications about that
The Hell loops are within the coffins, not the maze itself, the maze connects the loops and gives access to them. Aside from Michael cleaning stuff, we see no other prisoner outside of the coffins
Constantine's pocket dimension is just that, a pocket dimension he created. It's not part of Hell, it's just something he put within Hell.
Yes, that includes Satan and Beelzebub, who are identified as two different beings in Legends of Tomorrow season 4
Like I said, they are part of the same franchise obviously but the problem is the lack of clear statement about connections between several stuff. I'm on the side to believe there's just one Hell and it takes different appearences between worlds but we need confirmation to be sure (or at least details that suggest something)
I don't understand how this is a problem. if they were shown or implied that they couldn't then it would be a problem. This is not a problem as it is not shown or implied that they cannot.
John designed the pocket size as his own mansion. John didn't create the flames outside, those flames aren't part of John's pocket size, they're part of hell.
Since you are not totally against the OP and are willing to believe it, it is best to wait for the staff to give input.
This is a problem because it's an important element to decide what to do with the setting and the tier.
Doesn't disapprove my point. Never said the flames themselves were part of the dimension
This. We need more input from staff members anyway. I hope some will check the thread asap, even with the disagreement there's still many interesting additions that could be made
