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I think the logical conclusion of defeating someone who's superior to you in sheer power without amps, when he has amps, is that those amps aren't very high.
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Low 2-C Mario: In The Final
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Either Mario is weaker than Base Bowser (Which he is, Bowser is always portrayed as physically superior and there are several games where it's a game mechanic that Mario can't defeat Bowser normally), or Mario is somehow magically stronger than Bowser.
The answer is that Mario isn't stronger than Amped Bowser because in Mario Galaxy you defeat Bowser by having Bowser burn his ass on the reactor so Bowser is stunned and then hitting him. It's a game mechanic that Bowser is invincible if not stunned first.
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You can still survive his attacks, though, and Mario obviously isn't a stone wall.
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The Amp in Galaxy is demonstrably not very high since Bowser burns himself on the Star Reactor when he touches it.
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Bowser isn't amped in MG1, that's his base form.
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Not sure what you mean by that. He is his normal size. When he's amped by the Grand Star, hes massive.
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Also my guys.
Both Olly and Mario are Amped in the final battle of Origami King since they fight in a place made of pure Origami Energy:
"This place is made of pure Origami Power. It strengthened him, so it could strengthen you too!"
This is something that should be made clear in the OP. Blaze presented this as if it was Base Mario fighting Base Olly when both were amped. Olly doesn't have the power to fold the fabric of reality on his own. Just like with TTYD where Mario needs to be amped to even hurt the Shadow Queen.
Both Olly and Mario are Amped in the final battle of Origami King since they fight in a place made of pure Origami Energy:
"This place is made of pure Origami Power. It strengthened him, so it could strengthen you too!"
This is something that should be made clear in the OP. Blaze presented this as if it was Base Mario fighting Base Olly when both were amped. Olly doesn't have the power to fold the fabric of reality on his own. Just like with TTYD where Mario needs to be amped to even hurt the Shadow Queen.
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I suppose this could be a separate key for Olly/Mario
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Obviously but the issue is the lack of transparency in the OP.
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It might have just been a honest mistake, let's not go assuming the worst.
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I told Blaze to wait for me...
Unless these feats I’m about to mention are in the OP, I don’t agree with them.
Wario fighting Black Jewel (3-A to Low 2-C)
Rosalina ranking universal resets (Low 2-C)
Paper Mario, Peach, and Bowser surviving Sammer’s Kingdom collapse (Low 2-C)
Edit: ...huh, he actually used em.
Unless these feats I’m about to mention are in the OP, I don’t agree with them.
Wario fighting Black Jewel (3-A to Low 2-C)
Rosalina ranking universal resets (Low 2-C)
Paper Mario, Peach, and Bowser surviving Sammer’s Kingdom collapse (Low 2-C)
Edit: ...huh, he actually used em.
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Provide evidence that Black Jewel creating a universe scales to AP and durability.
Rosalina casually shields Mario and friends from an explosion that would be lethal to them. They don't scale to her. Also accounting for size the feat isn't going to be Low 2-C on Rosalina assuming she isn't shielding it herself either.
This is not Low 2-C as I explained, because they weren't in the epicenter of the explosion and were thrown elsewhere when the dimension collapsed. Again, account for size, this isn't going to scale to the full universe-stretching blast.
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Surface Area is mandatory for explosion feats Cal. Being caught in a universe-destroying explosion never scales to the full-size of the blast to the person.
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Show me tier 2 feats ever having to do with surface area once before you’re bringing it up right now and it being accepted and I’ll close this thread right here, right now.
You’ll get that one Marvel dude that would be uni literally on any other verse, and that’s it.
You’ll get that one Marvel dude that would be uni literally on any other verse, and that’s it.
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Does a Low 2-C explosion still account for surface area?
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Fantastic Four bit feats, finale (for now)
From my (now completed) Fantastic Four thread. volume 4 #6. Blastaar survives for a bit inside the Big Bang: http://i.imgur.com/Xynibhn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zzUmGP8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pw0J016.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VFKpYn3.jpg...
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This feat. Blaastar surviving inside the Big Bang.
The feat itself:
As you can see this was calced at 38.62213193 exatons/second which is Moon level, and has been used as supporting evidence for The Thing (Who beats up Blaastar in the same arc) for 4 whole years.
You can close the thread now.
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@Rtx.
No. No it doesn’t. Heck, I can count on my fingers how many times a feat above tier 4 accounts for surface area (and every time it involves comics but imma sip my tea there). Basically, you’d have to completely revise the VSBW system in order to debunk this.
No. No it doesn’t. Heck, I can count on my fingers how many times a feat above tier 4 accounts for surface area (and every time it involves comics but imma sip my tea there). Basically, you’d have to completely revise the VSBW system in order to debunk this.
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It shouldn't.
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Fantastic Four bit feats, finale (for now)
From my (now completed) Fantastic Four thread. volume 4 #6. Blastaar survives for a bit inside the Big Bang: http://i.imgur.com/Xynibhn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zzUmGP8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pw0J016.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VFKpYn3.jpg...
This feat. Blaastar surviving inside the Big Bang.
The feat itself:
As you can see this was calced at 38.62213193 exatons/second which is Moon level, and has been used as supporting evidence for The Thing (Who beats up Blaastar in the same arc) for 4 whole years.
You can close the thread now.
Did you even read my post?
“You’ll get that one Marvel dude that would be uni literally on any other verse, and that’s it.”
This wasn’t even an edit.
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All explosions must account for the area that hits you. An explosion that destroys space-time is not going to hit you with all its power. In fact, it's capability to destroy space and time is entirely irrelevant to the portion of the blast that will still hit you.
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Every other verse is wrong
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Surely it’s not our rampant scrutinization on every marvel feat above planet. Surely.Every other verse is wrong
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I agree on that point, if something is actually wrong and is applied to a large number of verses, then it doesn't become correct just because it's popular.
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Every verse should be scrutinized to the same degree as we scrutinize Marvel and we are by far one of the most leniant websites on the entire internet when it comes to Marvel anyway.
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Low 2-C is above High 3-A tho
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Nice joke.
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It's true. MFTL+ Thor gets you laughed at from every corner of the internet.
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Nobody will agree with Iron Man > Superman or MHS street tiers outside of this wiki.
That said, let's stay on topic folks.
That said, let's stay on topic folks.
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Well I know places that don't
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I totally remember getting laughed at in the three other non-VSBW related servers I’m in when talking about Thor...wait no I don’t.
Also even if that were true, us being the best of the worst doesn’t make us not the worst.
Also even if that were true, us being the best of the worst doesn’t make us not the worst.
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Lemme Guess. Spacebattles? Or is it Comicvine? No no, how about Characterrant?
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But back on subject, every debunk provided so far to the three feats I brought up requires a wiki wide revision of standards before they can be proper debunks. They’re all stuff that haven’t come up before today or at best, provided to one dude out of over twenty thousand.
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Yep I totally remember that time where every corner of the internet attacked us for MFTL+ Thor.
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No it doesn't.
Rosalina's feat is super vague and we don't even see it happening. She could have shielded herself and Mario doesn't even scale to her.
You have yet to prove why the Wario thing scales to AP.
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low 2-C doen’t have a joule value though.
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Why would a blast that breaks time on a 4D axis hit me on the 3D axis.
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Leaving this aside, all the other feats have glaring issues. Most notably the vague ass statements from the RPG games that are devoid of any context.
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thats what I’m saying! You said that he wasn’t in the epicenter, however that’s irrelevant because even if he took 1/1000 of the attack, there is no way to quantify the energy he survived.
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