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On the tiering system it states to be Low 2-C you have to be capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space(simply put, 1 space-time continuum). I was confused about what this meant and after I expressed my confusion on a thread I was told the only way to reach this level of power was to create/destroy/affect a timeline since you're affecting all of time in the past, present, and future since you're automatically affecting every moment of time. I've also seen many people in the scaling/debating community who use the tiering system to hold debates and vsb members misinterpret this explanation of Low 2-C/2-C as being able to create/destroy/affect multiple universes since a universe is technically a space-time continuum but this comes with the assumption that the character is affecting all of time as well as space which unless stated/implied/they scale to another character that can affect time they're not which would only put them higher into 3-A or High 3-A.
Here's a proposal/addition I think should be made and I put this into content revision to see what people think.
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.
B) Portrayed as completely transcending lower-dimensional objects and spaces in the setting of a given work of fiction.
This definition is great but I believe it should be also be stated in parentheses that to qualify for this tier you have to create/destroy/affect an entire timeline/or have some sort of leverage to affect all of time/space to qualify for this tier. I believe explicitly stating it would ease the confusion many people have about the Multiversal section of the tiering system. As I said before myself and many people who use the tiering system interpret this tier and Low 2-C, 2-C and 2-B to mean just being able to destroy 1, 2 to 1000 or 1001 or any finite number of universes.
So for Low 2-C I would propose to keep the requirement but I would also say simply put
you have to be able create, affect, or destroy an entire timeline/all of time and space of 1 universe.
This also means that to qualify for 2-C you have to be able to able to create, destroy, affect 2 to 1000 space-time continuums(2 to 1000 timelines/all of time and space within 2 to 1,000 universes).
2-B would be defined as being able to create, destroy, or affect 1001 or any other finite number of space-time continuums(1001 or any higher finite number of timelines/all of space and time within 1001 or any higher finite number of universes.)
Lastly, 2-A would be defined as being able to create, destroy, or affect a countably infinite number of space-time continuums(infinite timelines/all of space and time within infinite universes)
I believe the extra information in the parentheses would clarify what being able to affect an entire space-time continuum actually means.
In this thread user Planck69 stated
"A spacetime continuum is larger as it's essentially uncountably infinite snapshots of the 3-dimensional part of it, since it's equivalent to as many 3-dimenisonal universes as there are infinitesimal moments of time. We decided on universal size as more or less a marker from which point the spatial dimensions' lengths were considered non-trivial."
I believe this explanation should be in notes or the footnote section because it offers a great explanation as to what affecting a space-time continuum/timeline actually means.
I also believe there should be a footnote clarifying that unless a character can't be assumed to have affected all of time (past, present, future) unless stated or they scale above other characters who can affect all of time.
This is all for now but I would like to see what people think about some of the proposals.
Here's a proposal/addition I think should be made and I put this into content revision to see what people think.
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.
B) Portrayed as completely transcending lower-dimensional objects and spaces in the setting of a given work of fiction.
This definition is great but I believe it should be also be stated in parentheses that to qualify for this tier you have to create/destroy/affect an entire timeline/or have some sort of leverage to affect all of time/space to qualify for this tier. I believe explicitly stating it would ease the confusion many people have about the Multiversal section of the tiering system. As I said before myself and many people who use the tiering system interpret this tier and Low 2-C, 2-C and 2-B to mean just being able to destroy 1, 2 to 1000 or 1001 or any finite number of universes.
So for Low 2-C I would propose to keep the requirement but I would also say simply put
you have to be able create, affect, or destroy an entire timeline/all of time and space of 1 universe.
This also means that to qualify for 2-C you have to be able to able to create, destroy, affect 2 to 1000 space-time continuums(2 to 1000 timelines/all of time and space within 2 to 1,000 universes).
2-B would be defined as being able to create, destroy, or affect 1001 or any other finite number of space-time continuums(1001 or any higher finite number of timelines/all of space and time within 1001 or any higher finite number of universes.)
Lastly, 2-A would be defined as being able to create, destroy, or affect a countably infinite number of space-time continuums(infinite timelines/all of space and time within infinite universes)
I believe the extra information in the parentheses would clarify what being able to affect an entire space-time continuum actually means.
In this thread user Planck69 stated
"A spacetime continuum is larger as it's essentially uncountably infinite snapshots of the 3-dimensional part of it, since it's equivalent to as many 3-dimenisonal universes as there are infinitesimal moments of time. We decided on universal size as more or less a marker from which point the spatial dimensions' lengths were considered non-trivial."
I believe this explanation should be in notes or the footnote section because it offers a great explanation as to what affecting a space-time continuum/timeline actually means.
I also believe there should be a footnote clarifying that unless a character can't be assumed to have affected all of time (past, present, future) unless stated or they scale above other characters who can affect all of time.
This is all for now but I would like to see what people think about some of the proposals.
....anyways following for now.
