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Lord Krishna (Shin Megami Tensei) vs ZeedMilenniumon (Digimon)

@Mandrakk

You have to post some reasoning for it to count.

Current Tally:

Krishna: 3 (Matthew Schroeder, FateAlbane, Tivanenk)

Zeed: 4 (Dragonmasterxyz, GallantKnight X, IrMaXuS, Myself)
 
Krishna 3... Wait, what?

There's Matthew, BlahBlah, Tivanenk, Living Tribunal, Zianmoon and me.

That's six for Krishna. Of course, not counting the OP's vote.
 
Okay then, I missed them by accident.

So, retallied:

Krishna: 6 (Matthew, BlahBlah, Tivanenk, Living Tribunal, Zianmoon, Fate Albane)

Zeed: 4 (Dragonmasterxyz, GallantKnightX, IrMaXuS, Myself)
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Meaning Krishna's would be no different.
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That makes absolutely no sense, it's like saying because the hax of a God from one series failed (and we kinda didn't really see Zeed outright no sell all the hax from God, which makes this whole "Yeah, God surely couldn't do anything decisive to him" pretty much speculation) all the hax from a completely different entity from another series with hax of his own would fail as well.

Or does the God from Digimon has hax entirely equal to the God Slayers "Observation" and Almighty attacks that bypass all defenses even when used against beings of similar status?
 
@FateAlbane

Perhaps, but it's only natural the one who created EVERYTHING would try to use everything in its arsenal to put Zeed down. Otherwise it would not have bothered to seal Zeed and would have just destroyed him.

Godslayers still don't have a means of bypassing Zeed's Mid-Godly Regen, since Tivanenk stated that the Gods they erase must be killed first.
 
Not necessarily.

God could have whatever reason for deciding to seal him instead. There have been multiple instances in works of fiction where a certain force/being could have been destroyed but was sealed instead (like when the being serves some unknown purpose or simply has to keep existing for some reason and stuff). Sure, much like I can't prove this was the case, you can't prove that the reason he was sealed was because everything God used failed either. Hence, all the "Zeed no sells all this and God couldn't kill him even if he wanted" falls into speculation.

And again, no. The power of Observation doesn't need the target to be dead in order to work. In the battle against YHVH, they use it during most of the fight in order to reduce him to a state where he can be killed (demonized form), then after that they kill him and he stays dead. The entire match in the peace route is about how you can't possibly truly hurt or kill him while he's on that form, and you have to hax him to a lower "killable" state with the Observation powers.

MG Regen means you can regenerate even if you're reduced to nothing. Even if the above was not true, Zeed would still count as dead for the Observation Powers by the time he is reduced to this state, since on your own words "they must be killed". Zeed falls, before he can regenerate from whatever dead state he is at, he ends up erased - that is, of course, assuming Vishflyn manages to get him to this point in the first place. I think he could, but hey, that's just me.
 
@FateAlbane

God is a being of love and goodness, but he still deleted the Demon Lords and banished their essence to the Dark Area when they began regenerating. For someone exceeding the Demon Lords in every way, he would have gone out of his way to delete Zeed as well for being even more evil.

As for the Observation thing, I'll take your word for it, but the explanation still comes across as strange, since his profile states that his Demon form is stronger than his previous forms, which would contradict your statements that they were trying to hax him into a killable, weaker form.
 
We're cool. But wait, is YHVH's second form listed as stronger? Huh.

I really don't get the reason why, since that is literally the only form where he can be killed by the party as far as I remember (YHVH himself says "You reduced me to such a state" and stuff).
 
>>Looks at the latter's profile.

>> It's not even certain that it was God who sealed Zeed in the first place, only implied.

I'm really not buying the "God couldn't do anything to Zeed". And while I disagree, I can understand the reasoning if you say "He couldn't finish him off for good so he had to seal him". Sure. But the whole "God couldn't even scratch, at most he could slow him down", that's the one thing I'm not buying. As far as I know, by the end of it God was pretty chill in his throne while Zeed was sealed. So really, God had the last laugh by the end of the day.

In other words I can understand if you say "Nothing else God did was enough to finish Zeed off, so he had to resort to sealing". While "Nothing else God did could even faze Zeed, only his sealing worked." doesn't sound right.

And even if all of that is true, it's pretty much the same situation where the party was at the Peace/Bonds route (I still didn't do the anarchy route, dunno how things went in that one): Can at most slow YHVH down. >> Observation hax >> Reduces him to killable state.
 
Problem is that it does not make since for God not to kill Zeed seeing as he is such a big threat. I buy that all of Gods other skills were not too effective. And that sealing him was the best option.
 
You know, people are throwing out the "God couldn't kill him, so neither will Krishna!" argument, but one point to note is that God is not stronger than someone like YHVH, whom Krishna was planning to defeat in his Vishnuflynn form. Also, Flynn (and the others) defeated YHVH through their power of Observation, reducing him to nothing and returning him to the Axiom. So I don't think the argument really works. You can only compare someone to a being if that being is stronger than that someone's adversaries.
 
Yeah God and YHVH are equals since both share similar concepts and feats. Regarless that is not important.

We never once said that "God couldn't kill him, so neither will Krishna!" We said that it is wrong to assume Krishna's hax will just utterly destroy Zeed in which it will not. But of course Reppu and Dark know more about Zeed and God than me soooo.
 
@Tivanenk

It should also be noted that God's and thus Zeed's current stats are heavily lowballed due to the fact that they are able to reside in "ultradimensional space" that is "beyond our understanding" and the fact that God is stated to reside in the Kernel, which is beyond the ken of all but the mightiest of Digimon and the ones closest to him like the Three Great Angels. Yggdrasil and the Mother Eater, both of whom Zeed is vastly superior to, are already able to affect infinite timelines and reside in higher-dimensional space. The only thing stopping them from being upgraded is the fact that they don't explicitly mention five dimensions.

So Vishnu-Flynn does not vastly outstrip Zeed as you say.
 
@Reppuzan You forgot to add me. That would make 7 for Krishna o3o

So Vishnu-Flynn does not vastly outstrip Zeed as you say.

Actually, i think this is a pretty even thread (hence, the reason why i made it)

But then again, i still think Krish will take this one. And The Observation power did not make YHVH weaker at all. The only difference between Demonized YHVH and the big yellow heads army is that Demonized YHVH was more serious and doesnt have the immortally ability like he used to has.

About Vishnu-Flynn. He's the combination of Flynn and Krishna. In his own words "Not even YHVH can reach me now" . this is make sense, since YHVH fought the gods since the acient time and dethroned them before he shape the universe (or it was the multiverse ? ) implied that he fought Krishna as well , so Krishna should know how strong YHVH is. If not stronger, Krishna should be around YHVH's level, maybe even to him

i say Krishna takes this with High difficulty.
 
I think it's more of a self made rule. Most members don't add their votes for their own threads.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Mandrakk
You have to post some reasoning for it to count.

Current Tally:

Krishna: 3 (Matthew Schroeder, FateAlbane, Tivanenk)

Zeed: 4 (Dragonmasterxyz, GallantKnight X, IrMaXuS, Myself)
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"Zeed if unsealed" and I can't really add more to that since I also agree due to yours. :p
 
You do realize "if unsealed" is no reasoning, right? It's the same as "I vote in character x because he is in his y key." kek

Anyways, "for reasons above" is valid enough.
 
Hmm... I've always wondered if we should begin banning the "for reasons above" in VSB in general as well, as it doesn't really add to the discussion and "reasons" is vague anything that it could be anything. Also, it kind of gives leeway to people with no knowledge about the characters.

Besides, has a reason for why Zeed can actually defeat Krishna (and not just defend from his attacks) been brought up? My memory is hazy, but I don't remember some valid reasoning. If Zeed can't do anything against God, why should he be able to do anything against Krishna?
 
You're assuming Krishna is above God. Something you really should stop doing since by statements from Cyber SAleuth and such God is on the level of YHVH in which Reppu has stated earlier. Plus it wasn't Zeed who couldn't do anything to God. It was God who couldn't kill Zeed and had to seal him.
 
Tivanenk said:
Hmm... I've always wondered if we should begin banning the "for reasons above" in VSB in general as well, as it doesn't really add to the discussion and "reasons" is vague anything that it could be anything. Also, it kind of gives leeway to people with no knowledge about the characters.
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It's either they do that or begin repeating previously stated reasons, which generally looks really redundant.
 
The Everlasting said:
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It's either they do that or begin repeating previously stated reasons, which generally looks really redundant.
But at least you can counter those statements and involve them in a discussion. You can't do anything about "because reasons".

Also, Vishnuflynn > YHVH which you assume is equal to God in Digimon. So yes, Vishnuflynn is above God.
 
Didn't you say they have to seal him? Not kill him? Heck even then we haven't seen a counter for the Mid-Godly Regen
 
Just saying. I thought you were talking about an animal seal...

Anyway, how did they defeat YHVH?
 
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