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of course Henry could kill both at once by mistakeMickey1940 said:uhhh... Papyrus isn't gonna kill regardless. If he's in-character he's not going to kill
Anyways assuming Henry has access to all of his 9A gadgets, then he would probably 1 shot, since a few of his gadgets can 1 shot Papyrus, like MissingNo and the Magic Pencil, he can create shields with Earthbending, Metalbending and Bubble Shield, and he can get close enough with the Shadozer and the
Then again, all of Pap's attacks involve lots of Danmaku and Soul Manip, which could cause problems
honestly though, this battle still could go either way. Most of Henry's gadgets, while most theoretically viable, will end up killing Henry instead, and stuff like the Distraction would cause an incap for both of them
Overall, in this legendary (and completely hilarious) battle, I'm going to go with Papyrus. He has far more control over his abilities, so he's more likely to actually land hits, and more often than not Henry's going to die from his own gadgets anyways
Both are so incompetent that probably would happen lolMickey1940 said:well yeah that too
So inconclusive?IvoryAS said:
Wouldn't Henry Outspeed?Mickey1940 said:Ok, now they are both bloodlusted. Good
In this case Pap stomps. In general this just goes down on who attacks first since both can one-shot, and considering how Pap has the range advantage as well as a probability advantage (since like 70% of Henry's gadgets will kill him, 20% will kill both, and 10% will actually help him), Pap should win this
Voting Pap
15% chance every item he usesCiruno Fortes said:If in character I can imagine they'd knock themselves out.
Anyway in terms of bloodlust... Is Henry's misfortune used here? Like his own unluckiness screwing him over?
with the NRG drink, yeah, but not only does it kill him, making it Incon anyways, but he's probably not going to use it right off the bat, and since the fight will be over almost directly after it starts (since both can one-shot), he wouldn't have the chance to use it. Assuming he drinks it as his first move, what's stopping Pap from pelting him with bones before he finishes drinking? And what's stopping him from pinning him down with Blue Mode?Superray06 said:Wouldn't Henry Outspeed?Mickey1940 said:Ok, now they are both bloodlusted. Good
In this case Pap stomps. In general this just goes down on who attacks first since both can one-shot, and considering how Pap has the range advantage as well as a probability advantage (since like 70% of Henry's gadgets will kill him, 20% will kill both, and 10% will actually help him), Pap should win this
Voting Pap
NRG slows timeMickey1940 said:with the NRG drink, yeah, but not only does it kill him, making it Incon anyways, but he's probably not going to use it right off the bat, and since the fight will be over almost directly after it starts (since both can one-shot), he wouldn't have the chance to use it. Assuming he drinks it as his first move, what's stopping Pap from pelting him with bones before he finishes drinking? And what's stopping him from pinning him down with Blue Mode?Superray06 said:Wouldn't Henry Outspeed?Mickey1940 said:Ok, now they are both bloodlusted. Good
In this case Pap stomps. In general this just goes down on who attacks first since both can one-shot, and considering how Pap has the range advantage as well as a probability advantage (since like 70% of Henry's gadgets will kill him, 20% will kill both, and 10% will actually help him), Pap should win this
Voting Pap
Pap has a lot of options that will all work against Henry, while Henry doesn't
no it doesn'tSuperray06 said:NRG slows timeMickey1940 said:with the NRG drink, yeah, but not only does it kill him, making it Incon anyways, but he's probably not going to use it right off the bat, and since the fight will be over almost directly after it starts (since both can one-shot), he wouldn't have the chance to use it. Assuming he drinks it as his first move, what's stopping Pap from pelting him with bones before he finishes drinking? And what's stopping him from pinning him down with Blue Mode?Superray06 said:Wouldn't Henry Outspeed?Mickey1940 said:Ok, now they are both bloodlusted. Good
In this case Pap stomps. In general this just goes down on who attacks first since both can one-shot, and considering how Pap has the range advantage as well as a probability advantage (since like 70% of Henry's gadgets will kill him, 20% will kill both, and 10% will actually help him), Pap should win this
Voting Pap
Pap has a lot of options that will all work against Henry, while Henry doesn't
Still would wreck papyrusMickey1940 said:no it doesn'tSuperray06 said:NRG slows timeMickey1940 said:with the NRG drink, yeah, but not only does it kill him, making it Incon anyways, but he's probably not going to use it right off the bat, and since the fight will be over almost directly after it starts (since both can one-shot), he wouldn't have the chance to use it. Assuming he drinks it as his first move, what's stopping Pap from pelting him with bones before he finishes drinking? And what's stopping him from pinning him down with Blue Mode?Superray06 said:Wouldn't Henry Outspeed?Mickey1940 said:Ok, now they are both bloodlusted. Good
In this case Pap stomps. In general this just goes down on who attacks first since both can one-shot, and considering how Pap has the range advantage as well as a probability advantage (since like 70% of Henry's gadgets will kill him, 20% will kill both, and 10% will actually help him), Pap should win this
Voting Pap
Pap has a lot of options that will all work against Henry, while Henry doesn't
it makes the drinker so fast it makes normal humans look like they are standing still
Henry could dodge it or use the SandwichMickey1940 said:since both are bloodlusted, what's stopping Pap from killing him before he even drinks it?
He's still capable of 1 shotting, you know
use the teleporter that has a 85% chance of working for a changeMickey1940 said:and how would he eat the Sandwich before Pap kills him?
and what if Pap uses Blue Mode? He can't dodge that
Your saying the bones are near instant when they are actually pretty slowMickey1940 said:use the teleporter and then do what?
also the teleporter requires actually pushing multiple buttons, it's not like Instant Transmission. Pap has plenty of time to kill him before he uses pretty much anything
All in all, Henry can't actually do anything in time before Pap erases his soul. Although a lot of things Henry has do indeed work, he can't whip them out and use them fast enough to kill Pap before he in turn gets killed
Remember that everything only fails 15% of the timeMickey1940 said:considering how both are bloodlusted and how this fight happens in the Wall, which in general is in quite the enclosed space, I can't see Henry shoving an entire sandwichi into his mouth or chugging an entire bottle's worth of liquid before Pap atomizes his soul.
Well, the Sandwich is usually consumed almost instantly, so he MIGHT have the chance to use it, but then that situation would still be Pap's win cause Pap would still be able to one-shot, while Henry probably couldn't, considering how a normal human took several punches to the face from Buff Henry without dying, and was healthy enough to give Henry a dirty look and shoot him
plus those 2 consumables are one of many things Henry could use Most of the others are useless or will lead to his imminent death, and the fact that all of his gadgets have a possibility to fail makes it even worse for Henry. Pap, on the other hand, while he doesn't have as much variety, can one-shot Henry with literally anything in his arsenal, 100% of the time (unless Henry dodges, of course).
That effects Papyrus tooMickey1940 said:correct
except most of the crap Henry has either works or doesn't, there's no chance for it to work, and there's no in-between. Like the Parachute (it's a backpack), Liquificator (kills Henry no matter what), Opacitator (BFR's Henry to the center of the planet and he can't ever interact with a physical being), etc., stuff like that. Those things can't work 85% of the time cause it makes no logical sense for themto do so
Basically you have a guy who has a bunch of tools in which most will kill him no matter what and even some of the stuff that actually work still have a chance to kill him, verses a guy who has less tools but has a 100% chance of landing every hit.
Why would Henry use things that can't Help him?Mickey1940 said:what the heck? Why does this rule apply to Pap as well?
either way Pap would still win cause all of Pap's attacks have an 85% chance to work while only some of Henry's stuff will have an 85% chance of working while most of his other stuff have a 0% chance of working. The probabilities fall in Pap's favor
Plus not everything Henry has will one-shot Pap even if it works, while anything Pap uses will one-shot Henry if it hits
Henry is a compisite character so he would know all his toolsMickey1940 said:cause most of the time he doesn't know what the tool does before using it, and the only way he would know is through prep time
ok, now this is more interestingSuperray06 said:Henry is a compisite character so he would know all his toolsMickey1940 said:cause most of the time he doesn't know what the tool does before using it, and the only way he would know is through prep time
should I un= speed?Mickey1940 said:ok, now this is more interestingSuperray06 said:Henry is a compisite character so he would know all his toolsMickey1940 said:cause most of the time he doesn't know what the tool does before using it, and the only way he would know is through prep time
The 9A durability feat is probably an outlier, as Henry has been knocked out/killed/severely injured many, MANY more times by Wall level attacks and bullets
if it was indeed used, though, well,
Henry's AP is comparable if not slightly less than his durability, and he is 0.102 tons of TNT
Pap should be comparable Mid-Determined Frisk who is above Tsunderplane who is 0.02 tons of TNT. Stats wise Suppressed Pap is weaker than Tsunderplane (20 AT vs 25 AT), but Pap has been stated to easily be stronger than the Royal Guards, who each have 30 AT, so Pap should be considerably stronger than Tsunderplane
So Henry should have the AP and dura advantage by a lot, and his tools are wven stronger
but Pap would still one shot him through soul attacks
I'm still voting for Papyrus. I doubt Henry can pull something out fast enough before Pap lolhakais his soul with bones. Since Henry has to waste a few precious seconds to use his stuff he wouldn't have the chance to dodge or counter Pap's bones, considering their location and circumstance
oh ok thenMickey1940 said:heck no
Pap is Unknown, so the fight can't be made in the first place