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Logic Manipulation Ability Page Creation
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Yeah that all seems pretty much fine now.
Although, I wonder if it'd be better to simply have no image.
And, I'm not sure if "violating deductive reasoning" is something we should consider logic manipulation, but that is implied by this line:
Although, I wonder if it'd be better to simply have no image.
And, I'm not sure if "violating deductive reasoning" is something we should consider logic manipulation, but that is implied by this line:
I think we should know that they manipulated logic to enable them to do such things.
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No image is kinda icky imo.
Yeah I couldn't think of a better way to word that. I mean if you're violating deductive reasoning (i.e. logic) when it's supposed to apply to you then I'd say you're manipulating logic.
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I'd just say smth like
A story having a contradiction or something that we view as impossible does not mean that the responsible character(s) have logic manipulation.
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Have we agreed on a tier for the power yet? To my understanding the past discussion has been really about whether it's feasible to rank it as by default High 1-A+.
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Essentially this, yeah, although I'd add that I don't consider this to mean that the ability is "fake" by any means, it's just that what counts as "logic" can differ based on the verse, and doesn't necessarily have to mean "the logic that governs all possible worlds".
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I think my vote don't matter much, but yeah, i'm good with Jin2188 draft and reasons
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I'm checking this sometime tomorrow (which is really code for "somewhere in the next 20 hours").
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"1 Ultima hour = 1 day" bet
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Last I commented, I had two issues (image, and one bit of wording), and the wording was fixed.
No new substantive issues have popped up, although there is the less-substantive one of how the Wikipedia links were done suboptimally.
No new substantive issues have popped up, although there is the less-substantive one of how the Wikipedia links were done suboptimally.
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Yeah, but that's my personal view, not something ultra-important, worth blocking the page over.
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Is there a specific problem you have? I'd like to consider your concerns, and the concerns of other staff, even if I don't really have to for the page to be accepted.
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This power seems like one that's very difficult to represent visually.
I prefer images on power pages to, as much as possible:
- Be visually clear about their effect, even without reading the accompanying description.
- Not require reading text in the image.
- Not be a long video/gif.
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Tbh, unless we use Light Novel scan, which is all about texts, we don't have much choice over image, i could try to find something in MGK anime when i get back home with my PC though
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Honestly, that's probably because it's difficult to even conceptualize.
1 seems difficult to pull off, for the reason mentioned above. 2 seems easy enough if we can find a source that isn't an anime (or at least an english dubbed one). I'm not sure if 3 is even feasible, since I highly doubt a single static image (or even a short gif) could fully depict a proper example of such an ability.
That being said, I definitely see your points (in hindsight I don't really like the current image either), and I'd like to address them if possible.
That would be appreciated. I'd like there to be an image, since no image feels weird.
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As I said, I think it's fine to not have an image. I'm already not entirely happy with Damage Boost needing to have a description for the image (although this is better than it used to be, since it visually indicates a condition and an extreme attack). With Logic Manipulation being more esoteric, I think it's more reasonable for it to lack an image.
But maybe we could take inspiration from Conceptual Manipulation, and have some diagram representing differing logical systems.
But maybe we could take inspiration from Conceptual Manipulation, and have some diagram representing differing logical systems.
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Checking the draft right now. I'm interested in this bit:
How does that relate to the exact tier of the ability? It seems to be saying that, because it's paradoxical, we can't actually make sensible deductions about it, and hence we go with what verse says. So does this mean that we only give it an exact tier based on whatever scale the verse sets out for it?
How does that relate to the exact tier of the ability? It seems to be saying that, because it's paradoxical, we can't actually make sensible deductions about it, and hence we go with what verse says. So does this mean that we only give it an exact tier based on whatever scale the verse sets out for it?
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I wouldn't expect Logic Manipulation to get a tier, unless it can effect the entirety of a High 3-A or above space, or it's somehow used to manifest/destroy something that would take a quantifiable amount of energy.
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Yes.
To prescribe an exact tier to this (or most abilities) by default writes us into a corner where we either ignore what the verse actually portrays or drastically blow an ability out of proportion from the implication despite no feats at that level.
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You can swap "tier" with any tier-adjacent thing you like for the purposes of that question (e.g. "Does Logic Manipulation automatically give [tier] level range?" and etc). What I'm interested in is whether we set an exact scale for the ability or just say "It's impossible to deduce anything out of that, so we just go with the verse's word."
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The only scale I've seen proposed is High 1-A+ Type 2, which I disagreed with.
So, we go with the verse's word instead.
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Technically it's DT's draft, I just edited it.
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I do, but it ties into other stuff. Should have a complete response finished in the next few days.
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Yeah, don't believe I have anything else to add to that then. Draft seems adequate.
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