A simple change to Fate manipulation page

[Thermor]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fate_Manipulation?so=search

It's stated in limitations that the ability is completely useless against those with acausality (without even mentioning the type). However this shouldn't be true as in the Acasuality page, it's stated that type 4 only possibly grants resistance to fate manip so it shouldn't be the default.

I propose that the wording be changed to: "This ability may be resisted to characters with an exceptional level of Acausality."

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't like the phrasing. Maybe "This ability can be resisted by characters with certain types of acausality"?

 

[Thermor]

I don't like the phrasing. Maybe "This ability can be resisted by characters with certain types of acausality"?

I dont believe that's right either because only type 5 resist it by default. For type 4, you have to show you can resist fate manip.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I'd like to propose something along the lines of:

"Please note that certain Acasual characters (most commonly those with specific applications of Type 4 or all users of Type 5) will be unaffected by this ability"

 

[Thermor]

I'd like to propose something along the lines of:

"Please note that certain Acasual characters (most commonly those with specific applications of Type 4 or all users of Type 5) will be unaffected by this ability"

Actually type 2 is immune to Fate by default due to lacking a future so should be included.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I'd change it to just:

Some types of Acausality may render this ability useless.

Maybe note in Acausality page that type 2 is inherently immune if necessary

 

[Thermor]

I'd change it to just:

Maybe note in Acausality page that type 2 is inherently immune if necessary

I would also include Alex's wording regarding type 4.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Actually type 2 is immune to Fate by default due to lacking a future so should be included.

Hmm, yea. Probably this then?

"Please note that certain Acasual characters (Those with Types 2 & 5 by default, as well as certain applications of Type 4) will be unaffected by this ability"

 

[Thermor]

Hmm, yea. Probably this then?

"Please note that certain Acasual characters (Those with Types 2 & 5 by default, as well as certain applications of Type 4) will be unaffected by this ability"

I can agree with this.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Changes to abilities are supposed to be staff threads, not CRTs.

 

[ItsMeat]

How about: "Do note that characters with certain types of acausality may be resistant or straight up immune to this ability." ?

The problem with type 2 acausality being unaffected by default is that it actually can be bypassed by things such as NPI[NEP nature 1, aspect 5[history/fate]].

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Changes to abilities are supposed to be staff threads, not CRTs.

True, I'll move it there.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'd change it to just:

Maybe note in Acausality page that type 2 is inherently immune if necessary

This seems to be functionally the same as my proposal. More succinct, I prefer it, I approve.

Changes to abilities are supposed to be staff threads, not CRTs.

Yeah. Bear in mind, other posters, then, that you need permission to post here.

 

[Thermor]

This seems to be functionally the same as my proposal. More succinct, I prefer it, I approve.


Yeah. Bear in mind, other posters, then, that you need permission to post here.

I would still prefer Alex's suggestion mainly because of Type 4 sometimes resists and sometimes dont.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I would still prefer Alex's suggestion mainly because of Type 4 sometimes resists and sometimes dont.

We don't need to specify that. The phrasing just needs to be accurate. I would prefer something succinct and all-covering.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with what Bambu has accepted here.

 

[Reiner04]

I'd change it to just:

Maybe note in Acausality page that type 2 is inherently immune if necessary

I also prefer this. Considering its a simple change/addition, can it be applied now?

 

[Reiner04]

@Elizhaa @LordGriffin1000 @Planck69 @Vietthai96 @Qawsedf234

Your input here will be appreciated.

 

[Vietthai96]

Just remove the note from the fate manipulation page, if we really want to note, note this in acausality page, but i'm not really support it either because

1. Type 4 isn't granting resistance by default anymore

2. Type 2 granting resistance by default

3. Type 5 isn't granting any resistance, its nature is that you can't even interact with it in the first place due to its immutability

 

[Vietthai96]

Sorry for another instant post after my first one above but i just want to say that we already noted this under Type 2 and Type 4.

Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present. This means they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it, and Fate Manipulation, for the same reason. In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist.

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This has the potential to grant them resistances to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others, depending on its shown capabilities which should be specified on the given page.

For Type 5 we already have this

Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible

So making more note is redundant, just remove the note in the fate hax page

 

[Reiner04]

Just remove the note from the fate manipulation page, if we really want to note, note this in acausality page, but i'm not really support it either because

1. Type 4 isn't granting resistance by default anymore

2. Type 2 granting resistance by default

3. Type 5 isn't granting any resistance, its nature is that you can't even interact with it in the first place due to its immutability

I mean, it does make sense to mention this in the limitations section of Fate Manipulation, especially if it cannot affect Type 2 AC and potentially Type 4 AC beings. Adding it in the Type 2 AC section of the AC page is just as valid due to its relevance there, just as it is relevant to list it under the limitations of Fate Manipulation.

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean, it does make sense to mention this in the limitations section of Fate Manipulation, especially if it cannot affect Type 2 AC and potentially Type 4 AC beings. Adding it in the Type 2 AC section of the AC page is just as valid due to its relevance there, just as it is relevant to list it under the limitations of Fate Manipulation.

Then just write a simple note that

the ability may not works against some forms of Acausality, for more detailed reasons, visit the Acausality page

The last part also encourage people to read our pages rather than just skim through things

This is a rough draft from me, you can improve upon it.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with what Bambu has accepted here.

Should this be applied now?

 

[Thermor]

Should this be applied now?

Yeah sure since it's fairly minor.

 

[Reiner04]

Should this be applied now?

I can do so if the page is unlocked.

 

[Antvasima]

I can do so if the page is unlocked.

I have handled it. Tell us here when you are done please.

 

[Reiner04]

I have handled it. Tell us here when you are done please.

I have applied the changes

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

Should we close this thread then?

 

[Reiner04]

Thank you.

Should we close this thread then?

I suppose yeah. I will do so.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.