To tackle the NF thread first and only focusing on AP
1. Superman stands up to Omega Beams in Superman: Confidental #10. (Yield: at least 1.063779865963146245149006381712E57 J+, at least Galaxy Cluster Level+)
He provides no source for this. But using a google search I found that it refers (to a now 404'ed)
Google+ page that's seemingly just a copy paste of the NF thing. That links to
this 404'ed calc. So its based on something that cannot be verified.
8.766E16c in speed.
Also not sourced but we have Superman at much higher so whatever
2. Superman goes up against one of the Pocket Universe Kryptonians in Action Comics #591. Pocket Universe Kryptonians are, for all intents and purposes, Pre-Crisis Kryptonians, with the same level of power as Pre-Crisis Superboy. Superman manages to stay in the fight long enough to use Gold Kryptonite.
He says this but there's nothing backing this up. In the story Superman outright says
he cannot keep up with Superboy's speed and
cannot even keep a grip on him when he goes full tilt. Even when they trade blows Superman says
that Superboy is not only stronger than he is but holding back as well. Hell Krypto the Superdog is stronger
than Superma in this issue. Also as one final note Superboy is so much more powerful than Superman that he says outright
that he could just steal Golden Kryptonite at FTE speeds and just beat him down if he really wanted to.
So this isn't scaling. This is character consistently stated as being physically superior to Superman holding back because of his morals and knowledge that he isn't the real Superman.
But you want to know a bigger kicker? This issue is completely wrong. Action Comics #591 is about the first version of the history of the Post-Crisis Legion. The images shown in his blog come from Superman vol. 2 #22. In that he does fight those Kryptonians, the same ones that took
three entire years to kill everyone on Earth. Do note they didn't even kill all of the heroes, they had to resort to
this in order to actually wi. Superman does call them
more powerful than he is I guess, but considering a completely unhinged Quel-Ul that looks nothing like the Pre-Crisis one failed to kill him quickly they don't seem super powerful. This is also the same era where Superman was knocked out by nuclear explosions btw.
3. A Darkseid mind-wiped Superman fights Orion. (Yield: High Universe Level | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
This is only universal under the assumption that Orion is consistently universal.
4. In Action Comics #650, Superman stands up to Starbreaker when absolutely no one else in the Justice League could, buying enough time for the Justice League to recover. At normal levels of power, Starbreaker is "only" Galaxy Cluster Level, while at higher levels of power, he is Universe Level. (Yield: at least 4.255119463852584980596025526848E57 J+, at least Galaxy Cluster Level+ | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
This sounds good until the Post-Crisis version of the story is fully developed in Justice League of Amercia vol 2 #29. That that
Starbreaker spends the majority of his power making clones who then get smashed by GL and Hawkma. Then when he comes in person its reveled that he literally just
let them escape because he was that arrogant. He lost because
hope weakens him heavily and he spent to much reserve power on trying
to move the Earth into the Su.
So considering the expanded background this isn't a feat for Superman. Its just Starbreaker being really stupid.
6. In Adventures of Superman #470, using his heat vision, Superman causes an earthquake that turns Blaze's dimension, a portion of Hell, into a raging inferno.
He does mention that you can argue its a chain reaction. I'd argue that. Superman mentions previously that the pocket dimension is
tied to Jimmy and Jerry. Jerry ended up dying and when Superman took Jimmy away from the area he
faded away back to the real world.
I guess there is something here but at the same time Blaze wasn't trying to kill Superman (she wanted his soul) and he didn't provide any evidence that the pocket dimension was particularly large in size.
9. Superman tanks an attack from and manhandles Monarch. (Yield: 2.66E71 J+, Low Universe Level+ | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
This is not Captain Atom Monarch. This is
Hank Hall Monarch who doesn't have universal feats.
1. In Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, Superman contributes to the energy of what would become a Big Bang. Specifically, he provides 1/5th of the energy. (Yield: 5.32E70 J, Nigh-Universe Level+ | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
That seems really good... until you remember the Spectre
also amped him. Like, there's zero evidence that it wasn't just all the Spectre who created the Big Bang. Also to make it even more sketchy freaking three people
were draining most if not all of Hal's power right before they shot into him.
2. Superman fights of Darkseid's Omega Beams, something that not even Orion could accomplish, signifying that this is one of Darkseid's Top Tier avatars. (Yield: High Universe Level+ | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
This is incredibly circular: "Superman is universal because he withstood the Omega Beams which Orion couldn't, so that must be a High level Avatar who's universal so Superman is universal". There's no evidence for any of this.
3. In The Kingdom #2, Superman tanks an out-for-the-kill attack from Kingdom Gog and stays conscious. This same blast would breach the walls of Hypertime, showing how powerful it is. (Yield: at least High Universe Level+ | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
Breaching dimensional space isn't a AP feat.
It is even strong enough to severely cripple an off-guard Mr. Mxyptlk.
An off guard Myx has been taken out by [ Doomsday] and EDIT: Upon a reread it was just Myx messing around with everyone, so it doesn't count, but other 5-D imps have been manhandled by
literal childre before when off-guard. So that's not High 2-A feat or anything.
4. In New Gods #10 and #11, Superman, along with Orion, combats S'ivaa, the last Shadow Elemental. S'ivaa is a being capable of destroying "all of existence", and its "Dance of Destruction", which was just a simple dance, was creating shockwaves that were causing natural disasters on and would even destroy all planets in the universe. The shockwaves would even destroy New Genesis and Apokolips, who were halves of a planet that dwarfed galaxies (named Urgrund, Asgard, or GodWorld). Superman is also shown tanking attacks from S'ivaa. Basically, S'ivaa is at least Multi-Megaverse Level for at least being able to destroy the Fourth World, and Superman can withstand its attacks. (Yield: at least Megaverse Level+ | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
Not only is this a prep feat, but it can only destroy reality by cutting a special string
between New Genesis and Apokolips. Its like destroying a support being for a skyscraper than causes the entire thing to collapse.
5. In JLA: Primeval, Superman makes his way through Disciple's attack when, due to having absorbed the power of the primordial Elder Gods, beings more powerful than the Old or New Gods, with Disciple being practically a Cube Level+ character at that point in the storyline, and defeats him. The rest of the Justice League was transmuted and devolved by Disciple. (Yield: at least High Universe Level+ Transmutation Resistance | Pre-Our Worlds At War)
There's zero evidence that his gods were on the level of the Old or New Gods. That's just baseless. Even if it was true their powers are heavily weakened based on
faith of the modern age and all of the Justice League
believed that Superman could do it. He even mentions that he's getting weaker.
I'm pretty tired at the moment. So if its okay with everyone else I can tackle the rest when I get off from work tomorrow. I will say that everything about Imperiex and B13 is for the most part incorrect though.
