Let's See How This Goes (Oryx vs The Quiet Deviless)

[Wokistan]

So it's looking like Oryx will be getting that acausality bump. Can TQD affect things like that?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean

Type 2 conceptual manipulation can effect type 5 acasuals


Since "Math" is a type 5 acasual

 

[Wokistan]

Why is math beyond causality now?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Not "Math" as in how humans percieve it, I mean the numerical/logical concepts we percieve as being "Mathematical"

This is a type 2 concept

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

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[GalaxianAegis]

Rip this match Lapitus

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Sadly so lol

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

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[Yourpancake]

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Learn to drive lol

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Lol

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Rip this match Lapitus

no

 

[The_Causality]

Not "Math" as in how humans percieve it, I mean the numerical/logical concepts we percieve as being "Mathematical"
This is a type 2 concept

It's actually type 4

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

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[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

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[WHYNAUT]

Can't you see that no one wants to deal with this match?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Can't you see that no one wants to deal with this match? </div>

Someone who cares about Oryx or The Deviless enough will see it eventually

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I mean..........

Take gg

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Can he take a nonexistent?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Does said nonexistent have any counter to being coerced out of nonexistence and then being affected?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

>Coerced out of nonexistence

...What?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

To elaborate on what he's saying here: The Darkness isn't always aggressive in its mindhax. It'll demonstrate the greatness one can achieve if they're taken, stripping away all their fears, inhibitions, and other negative emotions, leaving the target in a state of uninhibited bliss. Contrary to what was initially thought by the Vanguard, the Taken aren't in a constant state of pain. They are in a constant state of abject ecstasy. As such, most just end up serving the darkness of their own will. It is through this that Taking can sorta bypass regular mindhax resistance if necessary, as if the victim accepts being Taken I don't think they're really gonna try to resist.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

...But


That's just mindhax


And the quiet deviless both has 4-D mindhax resistance and oryx can't mindhax a nonexistent

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

No

That's not mind hax

That's literally going "Yo if you let me do this you become better", just that the person talking is The Deep

Also Oryx has void manip aplenty iirc

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Not wrong tbh, you're just forgetting the part where this bypasses normal mind hax resistence

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You're forgetting the part where the 2-C omnipresent across time deity can't mindhax her

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

You're forgetting the part where Taking is 2-B

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

How?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Also, can it effect non-existent beings?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Taking as a whole > Vex Gorgons that can erase people across the Vault of Glass, which contains at least trillions of timelines

Whether it can affect nonexistent beings is irrelevant with it's coercion effect

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Oryx never had 2-B hax, at all


Salt's hax >>> Oryx hax, and Quiet Deviless can give him the middle finger despite being far weaker

 

[Wokistan]

Will get back to this and amakasu in a bit, though I will say that an integral part of the ability to Take is the erasure of beings that are then brought back in the thrall of the Darkness and Oryx. That he can reforge a being that he had erased immediately before would indicate he can affects dudes that don't exist.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Where is your evidence for this?

because i'm pretty certain that 2-B > 2-C

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

well yeah but


Nothing 2-B is explained on his profile

 

[Wokistan]

I can get the VoG thing up in a bit, but it is already compared to Gorgons which are already explained to erase stuff from the VoG and reality.

I can't think of a single file that goes "This location has x universes" for its hax.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Take can't destroy a 2-B structure, but it's superior to something that has the range of a 2-B structure