Kratos vs Hoopa

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Kratos can also summon portals for attacking via Hades magic.
He has experience fighting portal guys.

 

[Everything12]

How does he deal with said portal guys, what exactly is their use of portals like?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well then i'm voting for kratos in that instance, because hoopa most definitely dies, but kratos loses the fight afterward if he is capable of getting the summon off in the split second before his death.
Also is it even in-character for hoopa to summon the 2-A's? He has 28 summons, and it only seems to be a handful are of the 2-A quality.

If the summon is something he physically he has to do, and doesn't start the fight with the 2-A by his side, he loses imo. Kratos in character asks no question, straight for the kill where literally anything he does insta kills hoopa.

It is in character, to use more summons at once, including the strongest ones.

Kratos can also summon portals for attacking via Hades magic.
He has experience fighting portal guys.

Which portals? Summoning ones too?

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

My vote remains the same

The sequence of events of the fight starting<Hoopa summoning<Summon comes in protects hoopa<hoopa survives

is a lot longer vs Fight starts<Kratos kills with anything

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Summoning attacks on the player's person mostly. Like opening portals behind or beneath the player for insta attacks.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesen't Kratos need to physically hit to kill Hoopa tho?

 

[Everything12]

Oh yeah, besides creating portals in between itself and attacks to send the attacks back at the opponent or hiding away in the dimension its portals lead to, it also likes to create portals behind the opponent which it pushes them into with ranged attacks or just put them beneath the feet of the enemy to banish them somewhere else.

This is all in addition to the summons it will immediately summon (include the Tier 2's) it will immediately summon attacking Kratos as well.

 

[ThanatosX]

Kratos needs to get close to him and hit him with one of his attacks for the CM to work.
Meanwhile, Hoopa can just Mind Hax him or quickly summon the Creation Trio to end the fight basically instantly.

On top of this, Hoopa have many ways to prevent getting hit by Kratos' CM since it's physical, most notably using his portals.

For this reasons, my vote remains on Hoopa.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

How is hoopa mind haxing kratos? If hoopa tries anything besides immediately summoning and running for the hills he's done for. If hoopa attempting to mind hax is a 50/50 between him summoning first or attempting that, then he's royally screwed.
Even if you have conceptual manip, it doesn't mean anything because kratos resists it as well. A type 1 abstract of a type 1 concept couldn't even touch kratos, so they'd have to have resistance negation on a conceptual level to even harm him. Kratos can't scratch a 2-A character because of reasons as well. This fight comes down to how long can hoops survive.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Hoopa Mind Hax > All Creation Trio's Resistance > Giratina's Resistance > Dialga and Palkia's resistance > All Lake Trio Mind Hax > Dialga/Palkia Resistance > 2 Lake Trio Mind Hax > Single Lake Trio Mind Hax = 4D CM1 Mind hax

And Lake Trio is Type 1 AE on CM1 of the Spirit, which is Knowledge, Emotions and Willpower, other than being immensely superior each to Mewtwo's mind hax, which can turn the victim's mind in puppets

 

[ThanatosX]

How is hoopa mind haxing kratos? If hoopa tries anything besides immediately summoning and running for the hills he's done for. If hoopa attempting to mind hax is a 50/50 between him summoning first or attempting that, then he's royally screwed.
Even if you have conceptual manip, it doesn't mean anything because kratos resists it as well. A type 1 abstract of a type 1 concept couldn't even touch kratos, so they'd have to have resistance negation on a conceptual level to even harm him. Kratos can't scratch a 2-A character because of reasons as well. This fight comes down to how long can hoops survive.

Hoopa's Mind Hax works on the Lake Trio, which are AE 2 on a Type 1 Concept, similiar to Kratos but far higher since they incarnate a Type 1 Concept in a 2-A structure. And on top of this, he go past multiple resistences, like StrymULTRA said. So if Hoopa uses his Mind Hax it's over for Kratos.

The only hope for Kratos is that Hoopa start with Summoning, but the Creation Trio completely obliterates Kratos, so he have really low chance of winning this.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Hoopa Mind Hax works on the Lake Trio, which have AE 2 on a Type 1 Concept, similiar to Kratos but far higher since they incarnate a Type 1 Concept in a 2-A structure. And on top of this, he go past multiple resistences, like StrymULTRA said. So if Hoopa uses his Mind Hax it's over for Kratos.

The only hope for Kratos is that Hoopa start with Summoning, but the Creation Trio completely obliterates Kratos, so he have really low chance of winning this.

AE 1* but yeah

 

[ThanatosX]

AE 1* but yeah

You are right, it's AE 1, my bad.

 

[theultimate5105]

Hoopa wins if he Summons the Creations Trio or Mindhaxes and Kratos wins if Hoopa doesn't try to protect itself with portals or use the other wincons first
yeah Hoopa wins this

 

[Rez]

So kratos' wincon is only viable if Hoopa does absolutely nothing yeah this is an stomp

 

[Andika_CL_atmadja]

for some reason this fight almost similar to kratos vs dr eggman

 

[Lou_change]

Hoopa fra

 

[Psychomaster35]

Hoopa FRA

 

[JED]

Hoopa FRA

 

[StrymULTRA]

Grace

 

[Soupywolf5]

Hoops FRA

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Kratos does resist mind manip from a Type 1 abstract of a type 1 concept, but it's not on the profile for some reason. Hoopa wins then yea

 

[StrymULTRA]

How high is the layer resistance anyway. Because as already pointed out, it bypasses 7 layers of resistance to it.

 

[theultimate5105]

Kratos does resist mind manip from a Type 1 abstract of a type 1 concept, but it's not on the profile for some reason. Hoopa wins then yea

thats still nowhere near enough to resist Hoopas mindhax even the base of the scaling chain is a Type 1 conceptual mindhax

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

How high is the layer resistance anyway. Because as already pointed out, it bypasses 7 layers of resistance to it.

It would be a couple layers, but nowhere near 7 at least on a conceptual level.