ShionAH
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They showed scans of Dante fighting for over a day. He has enough time to spam his hax until one fits and since BFR and Sealing is IC for him I dont see how its not legit.
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Kratos vs Dante (16-8-1)
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TheKingStrategist13
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So the argument is... The battle will go on, likely for hours, until Dante eventually tries to just BFR or Seal Kratos?
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Cratos CM type 1 comes from where?
ShionAH
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Dantes insane dodging means he can dodge Kratos until he tires out and dies or until he uses his BFR or Sealing
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First of all, he is not Cratos, he's Kratos*
Secondly, how about reading the profile?
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You worded that out wrong =/
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Cool, Kratos can climb big-ass several mile-high mountains for 3 days straight with no food, water or rest and then immediately proceed to clear an entire temple full of booby traps, unmistakable horrors from your nightmares and shatter them to glass without breaking a sweat. AS A DEMIGOD. As a God, he has no such weakness and he effectively has infinite stamina via his infinite reserves of magic.
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Why? When?
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Ok
no, I want to know what Cratos can do with CM type 1, since we don't assume he manipulates every concept type 1.
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PoC nuked the 9D loading screen. It no longer exists.
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Yeah no one is denying Kratos has way way way way better stamina
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Ok
no, I want to know what Cratos can do with CM type 1, since we don't assume he manipulates every concept type 1
ShionAH
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Oh yeah I am sorry. I meant Dante dying not Kratos
How is his stamina gonna help with Dantes hax I dont know what your point is. The argument is that Dante has enough self-stamina to eventually win
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What kind of a question even is that? There is no "Every Concept Type 1". Just "Type 1 Concept". It's literally any concept that can affect reality without it being affected itself when the reality it governs gets nuked.
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I've heard it's due to in GoW universal energy that grants Kratos CM on all his attacks
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Cool, Kratos has his own self-stamina that is also pretty much never going to run out, Dante will end up making a slip and that's when Kratos takes the kill.
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That's for scaling the abilities to that level, not the actual reason for how Kratos has CM Type 1.
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Dread was asking that though as his second question
"I want to know what Cratos can do with CM type 1, since we don't assume he manipulates every concept type 1."
ShionAH
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Bro no one is talking about the stamina Kratos has because it does not matter. The main thing is if Dante can dodge and evade anough to eventually use his BFR or Sealing which are in character for him.
Kratos having better stamina just means he will win on the long run. Expect Dante can win before that happens with his hax
Georredannea15
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With the concept of hope, which is type 1, it can nuked other type 1 concepts. And not to mention the conceptual Invulnerability he has.
As KLOL said, "GOOD LUCK TOUCHING AND INTERACTING WITH HIM"
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No, we don't assume “any concept”, I want to know what Cratos have shown as far.
So only limited to the shown feats? What are they? Since this argument is being used boundlessly
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While using everything in his arsenal to keep Kratos at bay because one touch from Kratos and Dante is kaput.
And Dante will be pushed to his absolute limit trying to avoid everything Kratos hurls at him because they will one-shot him.
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Just... read the profile? Literally explains what Hope is and what it goes above and beyond.
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Which other type 1 concepts he have done?
Which is irrelevant to my question
Kratos is AE type 1?
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Why would he? Dante has 10 times speed amp and you only need 5 times to blitzes
ShionAH
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Yes. Though Dante can still fight for over a day and even pop those stamina equipment
Which makes his 10x Amp, BFR and Sealing even more likely since he would want Kratos gone rather than dead
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Did not really answer my question
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Murking the Great Evils (Which themselves are Type 1 Concepts), which in turn are layered above the Primordials (Baseline Type 1 Concepts). The Great Evils scale above pretty much everything in the Greek World bar Hope.
No, he is AE Type 2, but one of the most busted. He is protected by an aura of an AE Type 1 force that doesn't allow interaction from other AE Type 1 beings even more abstract than baseline AE Type 1 Primordials.
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You're not making any sense now. Hope supersedes the Great Evils, which supersedes the likes of the Type 1 Concepts of Life, Dreams, the Heavens, Mountains, Night and every other foundational aspect of the Greek World.
Kratos is AE Type 2 but such that all aspects of his being are protected by Hope.
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Did not really answer my question, I have asked which other concept type 1. Be precise.
So your argument of him "being uninteractable" is false. Everyone can interact with him.
So again, is he being protected by hope, or he manipulates hope?
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This match is the most redundant one i've seen yet. An actual direct redux of a match that was considered a complete mismatch within 10 messages last time. I've tried this match, it doesn't work. Both thematically and technically this match isn't possible, and nothing has changed since last time so it's been 5 pages now of baseless reasonings.
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Planck and I literally just told you.
Blatantly false. Read what Planck and I just wrote.
Both.
ShionAH
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I mean both do have wincons.
Kratos: Punch or hit Dante
Dante: BFR, Sealing, Devil Trigger Amps
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And all those are elaborated to be CM type 1? So the question is, which I asked thrice, which concept type 1 he has been shown to supersede? I take it those only?
ShionAH
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Close this planck, we can get a rematch later
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Being protected does not grant any “non-interactivity”
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Yeah, only those. I dunno how being above the Type 1 concepts of every basic aspect of reality needs extra elaboration but honestly you've been acting extra this whole page.
Like, the page itself elaborates it. Discuss this stuff on the discussion thread or failing any info there, a CRT. Not here.
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He can't be touched cause a Type 1 concept will murk or negate said attempt. Like, yeah he's not incorporeal or whatever. This is just getting hung up on semantics.
Georredannea15
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All evil type 1 concepts including fear, gluttony, jealousy, death and so on. Hope comptletely Invulnerability and immune to their effects.
Nah he has Type 2 AE , But it is the very concept of hope that completely envelops and protects his soul, body and mind, in short you have to effect the concept of hope before interacting with Kratos' body, mind and spirit, but thanks to his immunity, this is hard as hell. This is what makes Kratos stupitly broken.
To defeat him, you must first destroy hope.
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