Kōsuke Ueki: 0 | Noriaki Kakyoin: 2 | Incon: 0 |
So Kakyōin at 20 meters would likely use an Emerald Splash to keep his distance from Ueki as well as spreading the roots of Hierophant Green along the ground to catch him wherever he moves too. He could also just use his Stand to defend himself as Ueki likely can’t see or damage it (I know nothing about this character so correct me if I’m wrong)
He can´t see it but he can understand and even discover how enemies power works, once, he fought a guy that was stating that his body was impervious to damage and that his power was sound manipulation, Ueki instead of believing it, deduce that he was using barriers and that the guitar that his opponent was using to produce sound was decoration, the attack instead was his level 2, where he creates barriers to attack enemies inside their clothes
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I don´t know how it works when a character has a super attack that is leagues beyond his normal punches
If Ueki is not sniping from kilometers of distance while flying, creating mashus and gullivers of course
Well if it's working on that logic, Emerald Splash is two whole tiers above HG physically.
To be fair, Hierophant Green is no different, Kak could leave, while his Stand attacks and fights up close without needing to risk being harmed. HG's range is astronomical compared to most Stands. Just look at bro's range section.
His effective range would decrease the AP if he strech too much and any attack of Ueki using level 2 would nullify the stand and Kakyoin would have to fight without being able to use it, at that moment, he can´t do anything
No it wouldn't? That rule literally doesn't apply to HG at all. Explicitly noted, it's part of its powerset.
Why? How is he even gonna hit HG? He can't see nor sense it or even interact with it?
If Kakyoin is gonna be hitten by Ueki's proyectile and he shield himself with HG, at that moment the nullification has to work, the stand is a power, Ueki nulls powers
Ok, him stretching seems to avoid that rule, but his page says this: Hierophant Green has an effective manifestation range of at least Hundreds of Meters
Why would he get hit? He doesn't fight up close, ever. He abuses range because that's what his Stand is suited for. At such a distance he's going to be able to dodge just about any attack due to speed equal unless they spontaneously explode on impact or something with big AOE.
And what does it say immediately after that
Ueki can only nullify powers, not the source of then
What I posted after that? "I don´t see how he is gonna get close and attack if is not via stretching"
They explode (Kurogane, Maoh), they spawn on you(Fuudo, mashu, gulliver), they appear behind you(Mashu), they can be set up as traps (every power ), they can change direction mid air(Namihana)
It is a NLF, but, they do have layered NPI and Intangibility. So it's effectively the same.
So some are problematic, some aren't. But then again, Kak's range is still extreme and Ueki by all accounts is going to be busy dealing with some invisible entity hitting him hundreds of times from all directions each moment, can he try and tag Kakyoin without getting overwhelmed by Danmaku?
Don't get into speed amps brother, otherwise the speed discrepancy between Kak and HG gives him an instant win.
I mean I don’t even understand what this guy’s power set is lol the page is not helping me.
Because the verse needs a serious overhaul, his page right now is ok but could be updated and admins could accept or deny CTRs to see what can be added, what can be removed and what limits his power should have
He can protect himself with weapons and has dealed with Danmaku several times, to be brief : His training to unlock powers, Robert fight, Anon fight and probably his fights againts a mecha but I don´t remember this well
I asked to the thread owner and Kakyoin and HG are the same speed to not break the tournament, or no one can do anything to them
Remind me of this
Danmaku he can't see or sense, not just normal Danmaku.
But speed amping is viable? Despite having the same end result? In a stat equal tourney? Idk chief sounds kinda sus.
Wdym, it's on the pages?
Intangibility, Incorporeality (Stands are the incorporeal manifestations of one's vital energy, and can only be harmed by other Stands), Non-Physical Interaction (Stands can interact with ghosts and other Stands), Invisibility (Stands can only be seen by other Stands and Stand Users)
Waiting the thread owner to see his opinion
If said Danmaku moves the air (because Ueki can fly and will be flying in his last key), Ueki can sense that, otherwise, he can´t
The actual stand page
Unless Kakyoin willingly lets it interact with the air, then not really viable.
He was able to protect himself from Robert assault of kuroganes that were auto-aimed , bigger than the normal Kurogane, faster too by creating all of his weapon at the same time and surrouding himself, it would have tiny (like, 20 cm) spots but that was before him having gulliver, he could use it too to protect himself and that is a box that deflects attacks
We need more info about "higher attacks" or attacks that are tiers beyond their normal AP
He has faced guys with attacks that are impossible to dodge or that their mechanics are extremely weird, the moment he sees that Kakyoin attacks are invisible (probably the first emerald splash, and if we go by "anime logic" he will shout his attacks as every character, Ueki the same btw) Ueki then will know that Kakyoin is a ranged fighter and decides 2 things:
Ueki has no permanent amps, only attacks that usually would one shot comparable opponents if said attack lands
What? You realize how paradoxical his is right? "The moment he SEES", that's the thing, he won't be seeing shit.
Yeah because Kakyoin blitzing is to much but Ueki blitzing is just fine
Reminder Hierophant Green can fly, flying and sniping doesn't help.
Not really, remember, Kakyoin isn't engaging at all here, why would he fall into a trap when he's never going to go anywhere near that trap to begin with? HG might, but HG can' be interacted with it so they're useless. Also I have issue with the "bit in half, this is stats equal, why are you wording everything like it's a one shot? It wouldn't be.
The traps can appear on him in the first place and if he dodges one, then another one could be place to capitalize on that
"see" in the sense of noticing that he is getting hit by something
At 20 meters, not at kilometers and Ueki is not fighting all the time at that distance and if he starts sniping he has the advantage
Not my problem, his blitz move is extremely limited, going on a straight line only and flying faster but still being reactable to his opponents, if you find this unfair, I can talk about having a invisible ghost to everyone(except kira) in this tournament possess you and protect said user without being able to be harmed
At hundred of meters, not kilometers, where he needs to strecht himself to be able to get to this distance
Kakyoin got donut and almost die (albeit, higher stats from The World accomplished that)
It negates reality warping, can negate shadows that are intagible (but of course, Jojo has it layered) and can negate briging past to the present, can negate reading minds, absolute zero (or close to it, the author does not clarify this) and even the speed of lightNFL seen this:
Power Null can only negate what shows been negates
How is bro gonna be seeing up traps when he's dealing with hundreds of imperceptible attacks and fighting something he can't even see, even worse if Kak straight up just outranges him.
Yes, hundreds of things, from all directions, that isn't even including the Stand itself. I really don't see this helping him at all.
You've said blitz like five times now, why is it suddenly reactable? And if it is reactable? I don't see it helping given HG's danmaku could overwhelm a dude with a 300x speed gap.
I not only didn't pick Kakyoin, I'm not the person who said blitzing was unfair. He has some extra abilities cool, so does everyone in this tourney (This would be like complaining about Ueki's spawn traps as some dudes can't avoid those), but having extra abilities isn't blitzing and the ability that would let him blitz was restricted.
Correct.
Correct, and? He can still stretch himself to fly that high? This doesn't change what I said, HG can fly, so Ueki flying and sniping does absolutely nothing.
Yes, and this is a stats equal tournament, not him fighting a dude about 150x more powerful than his Stand, let alone him (where he's magnitudes weaker). Even then, he was able to survive long enough to get off an extra ES while having his spine and torso blown out.
My brother in christ, you realize Hierophant Green is millions of times stronger than Kakyoin. I hope to god you aren't arguing because Ueki has stuff stronger than his physicals, that same difference applies (the same thing that applied to HG's speed but was invalidated because it'd be cheap) while forgetting the same applies to HG's AP, and then again with Emerald Splash. By this logic one shard would kill Ueki instantly millions of times over. In a stats equal tourney no less.
If it ain't nulling Ki, it ain't nulling Ki on crack.
Cool, so for what you said that can negate RW, shadows, Time/Causality Manipulation (?) and the speed of the opponent, and some more powers, so he can't negate other powers that are not similarwith this powers
Stand and are user are equalized here, I give up
Yeah they are, so I don't see why Ueki's stuff would be any different is what I'm saying
