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Kono Subarashii speed scaling & revisions

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@bones, the point of my statement was to explify that nobody is going around rellying on magic resistance, it is shown more than once that they do dodge magic and use counterspells when fighting one another, you presenting a possibility that contradicts what was previously shown based on a character that has a whole gimick centered around her having high vitality and resistances when no other character does that, and advanced magic should be at least comparable in speed.

This whole argument about guns doesn't make sense because fights in konosuba work complitely different than how a gun fight works in real life. And Mages can cast lightning, advanced magic should have comparable maybe superior speed, and there are instances of people reacting to advanced magic.

And the quote from kazuma is just him saying that the demon king generals are able to destroy entire cities nothing more.

@Muchacho, you don't need to destroy a city in a single strike to have town/city level AP

Exept for the fact that you are nitpicking, and they are inconsistencies, but not enough to justify downgrades on the level you are asking(not all tough), you used the fact that Hans didn't attack the city as an argument before and Kazuma punching aqua in the beginig of the series during a comedy scene, If Hans had decided to rampage through the city there would be no arc and aqua is superior to kazuma in almost every stat he is even weaker than megumin, those are just minor inconsistencies used for comedic purpose or to generate drama for the plot.

I don't think you can judge Wiz AP based on sylvia resisting her magic, the author clearly doesn't do his homework when it comes to consistency in power levels, using that would just lead to a convoluted scailing chain that would contradict the story as current megumin is still weaker than Wiz considering she is still unable to destroy the demon king barrier something that Wiz did effortlessly. Meguming wasn't very clear when she said her explosion was better and also there are multiple ways to rate an explosion hinted by kazuma during volume 1. Side note, doesn't explosion also bypasses defenses?

I quoted the novel when she said she obliterated the destroyer with her second explosion. She destroyed a horde of monsters, if her explosions have only 20 meters of AOE that shoudn't even be possible, and if the heat of the attack does cause damage then that means calculations based on the size of the fireballs are indeed valid. And during the fight with beldia she mentions that she could take out most of the undead that were dispersed through that part of the town.

Maxwell didn't just alter the memories of the people of the (maybe)country, he also reality warped somethings in and out of existance. Whe he went back to hell with vanir the effects of the magic dispeared and evidence of Aderp's crimer began poping into existance and the author makes a clear distinction of evidence and witnesses sudenly regaining their memories.

You realize that they had Wiz with them when they said that the destroyer could tank several explosions right?

I read through the novel again and you are right she didn't actually hit beldia with the explosion, still darkness broke through beldia's armor with a single swing, and Meguming should be at least comparable to her if not stronger.
 
@Gabriel 00

Town level AP? The destroyers one strike was never shown, so I don't know what brought you to that idea, despite it being stated that it 'rampages' through towns/cities

Inconsistency? FIrstly it was Hans himself that decided to destroy the city through that method, whether or not he has City AP does not matter. Secondly Kazuma hurting Aqua through blunt damage is through the whole series, inconsistency? I think you've forgotten the fact that she put her hand in hot spring water and scalded her hand (no comedy), I think you've forgotten the fact that no effort at all Kazuma pierced her finger with his dagger and could cut her throat with just as much effort. It is you that keeps ignoring her feats based on the fact of 'max stats' despire it being debunked. Also superior stats does not mean you cannot harm higher level (depending on the creature), Kazuma can hurt anyone in his party despite all of them having superior stats.

Now you're running in circles. Light of Saber cuts things based on the user's magic power and what they're cutting, Wiz cutting the barrier only means her magic power is superior to everyone supporting the barrier. Also I'll take this as your shallow knowledge of Konosuba, whether it's advanced magic or beginner, it's potency rises with your stats but compared to someone who spends their skill point's improving one spell's potency...this transcends levels. Which is why Megumin who is inferior to Wiz in terms of magic power can outdo her in explosion. Light of Saber was only described as what i've stated above. What you're saying is let's ignore her other advanced magic potency despite the fact that they were ineffective against Sylvia, also the fact that at some point Megumin and Wiz competed and Megumin won, someone that focuses on explosive power. Also Megumin had never attacked the barrier.

You've quoted the novel about obliterating the destroyer, yes, as have I in this thread if you search. Also I don't know how to respond to that. Her potency at the begining is city-block, what do you mean being unable too kill a horde a monsters? You do know that explosions causes craters as well as fireball and blast wave, right? You were the one to think her explosion was contained within her magic circle (and yes you can edit it but i've already taken a screenshot). Also the horde of monsters? I think you've forgotten this:

["Eh!? This is inside the town and they're too dispersed, I might miss some of them…!"] - Volume 1 Chapter 4

Maxwell did memory manipulation, the country? He was in charge of raising Alderp's rank as well clean up his mess, I don't know where you've gotten reality warp.

You do realise that the destroyer's legs were targetted instead of it's torso right? I've already said this, or do you mean the barrier? If so, then I agree (based on pre volume 9 Megumin)

Are you on...Actually I shouldn't say that. Firstly everyone has a starting point for stats, this determines what job they can choose, magic power + intelligence = mage. Defence + physical abilities = crusader/knights. You CAN have stats for every job, Aqua is sort of an example (minus mage), you CAN also raise your stats far enough to choose other jobs. I don't know how you missed the fact that physical abilities go towards knights/crusaders something even demon king generals know, multiple times Kazuma had stated Darkness to have the best defense in their party, even with the title #1 in axe, this is from her stats as well as her defensice skills. What would happen if Aqua choose the crusader job? She can learn defensive skills both magical and physical as well as abnormal status resistance but she already has her hagoromo for the last part. Abnormal statuses include; poison, paralysis, sleep and curse. Crusaders can even use their skill on their armor or weapons.

Megumin should be comparable to a class focusing on physical abilities...Now you're trolling.
 
Maximum magic: Wall of text! Seriously, to add on to the post above, some misconceptions cleared up:

Levels: A way to gain stats and skill points to spend on abilities, levels =/= stats for all on that level, two people of the same job and of the same level can have different stats based on talent

Stats: Something gained through level up, before registering as an adventurer everyone has stats that conform with a job that suits their talents and stats, unlike levels this has a limit based on the individual's talent/potential

Skill points: Something gained through level up, every newbie starts of with them based on their talent, some starting with 10 while others (Kazuma) start with 0

Jobs: Classes chosen based on whether or not the individual has stats towards that class, for example the mage class requires magic power as well as intelligence stats.

If character A is registering and has (example based on volume1):

Strength: 20

Vitality: 19

Magic: 1

Agility: 14

Speed: 15

Luck: 7

Intelligence: 1

They are oriented towards physical classes (knights/crusaders). The above is all that was stated for the Konosuba world, this is not to say there isn't a defense stat or other things. Getting to my point, there is a bottom line (starting point) for classes, Kazuma's stats are all average except for his luck and intelligence while Aqua's stats are all high except for her luck and intelligence which are both below average. With her stats she can choose any job except mages, thus she has at-least stats that more than fulfill other jobs. She stated to have max stats, it is correct to assume she has the maximum attainable stat values for an individual of that world...that is until it was revealed that everyone has a stat cap, as well the same words 'max stats', thus debunking that previous assumption because of the evidence that previously piled up it is even more clear now.

What evidence? Firstly, let's start with the fact that Kazuma is aware of all her stats, before the stat cap thing and with the previous assumption that Aqua has MAXIMUM stats, these would be inconsistencies:

- Kazuma stating multiple times Darkness has the highest defense

- Aqua taking temporary blunt damage from Kazuma, even spell disruption

- Aqua scalding her hand in hot water

- Aqua stating unconscious Darkness (with armor) to be heavy, for then Kazuma to suggest to buff herself based on her stats she should then easily carry her

- Always using 'high' instead of 'max' stats for Aqua

- Aqua bleeding from a simple stab of Kazuma's dagger

These are the only things on my mind right now. Her stats are high and she's reached her own stat cap. Not calculating based on her feats but rather scaling her to others despite the evidence...Hopefully a mod sees this thread

If you want to scale based on feats:


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Attack Potency: Multi-City Block (with turn undead) | At-least small town with other higher undead purifying | City-Block with devil purifying (sacred exorcism) possibly higher with others | Tow or possibly higher with sacred break spell

Speed: Supersonic (just gave her this for no reason, despite buffing herself to deal with Kazuma and even without shame stating she would do so against him )

Lifting Strength: Peak human possibly superhuman (buffed herself to lift Darkness, also did not disagree with Kazuma's assessment)

Striking Strength: At-least small building class (possibly lower)

Durability: At-least wall level and above

Range: kilometers

Intelligence: Said to be below average but with her goddess knowledge/insight she can be useful if serious

The above is based on things said and done within the novel. I shall elaborate, Megumin's volume 3 City Block | Possibly Multi-City block attack was stated by Vanir to be potent enough to take one of his lives. Thus Aqua's [Sacred Exorcism] is on par or below that, why? Well in volume 7 Aqua had sneak attacked Vanir only to cause his form to dissipate and mask to crack rather than take one of his lives of which Megumin had done so. Her turn undead and higher undead abilities are based off scaling from Megumin's potency of killing Demon Generals. Her purification abilities, for example purifying an entire lake can also be done by other priests and her purification of the hot spring source would most likely take a very high priest or none at all to remove a demon general level poison.

Her [sacred break spell's] potency is tow or possibly higher, able to destroy the Destroyer's barrier as well as break Beldia's curse that previously no priest in the kingdom could break.

Also Megumin does NOT scale to Darkness in defense. Darkness has the highest defense stated, has defense oriented class/skills and is also the only person in the group to continuously raise her defense in all aspects while Megumin focuses on raising her explosion power.

Side note:

Abnormal status resistance: This is not magic defense stat (if it exists), you can raise your magic resistance or abnormal magic resistance, they are not the same. Magic resistance is defense against magical attacks while abnormal resistance is against; poison, paralysis, sleep, curse and drain touch. Coincidentally Aqua's hagoromo protects her against abnormal statuses which is what she uses to resist them. Don't believe me? Volume 4 chapter 5, Kazuma was aware of both Aqua and Darkness' stats, placing trust on their abilities to resist Hans' poison, for Aqua he believed her hagoromo should be able to resist it while for Darkness' her abnormal resistance stat/skill, at a time he should have mentioned Aqua's being higher. Also abnormal status resistance =/= magical defense is based on:

  • Darkness' statement
  • Aqua's stating drain touch would only work on her if she isn't paying attention
  • Sylvia with her magical defense countering Wiz only to fall to drain touch
 
Vanir:

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Attack Potency: At-least multi-city block | possibly higher (scaling from volume 3 explosion he was aware that hit Darkness, later confused his death-ray didn't kill Darkness, possibly lower, took out a group of rock mimics + a good chunk of rock, has other types of rays, possibly higher than multi-city block)

Speed: Supersonic (Possibly lower)

Lifting Strength: Unknown

Striking Strength: Unknown

Durability: Building level normally (made of earth/dirt can be cut or destroyed by mid-tiered or above adventurers) | multi-city block to take one of his lives | Can possibly endlessly revive his puppet body as his real body is in hell

Range: Dozens of meters | Possibly higher

Intelligence: Genius

Stamina: Limitless because of golem/doll like body, mana is extremely high

I shall elaborate. He stated Megumin's AP was enough to take one of his lives, I've already stated with calculations as well as nukemap that her AP was city-block/multi-city block. Thus his durability maximum has been set, what is his minimum? Well it would be below this, you can destroy his body or cut his body but you wouldn't kill him unless you include his mask of which the above potency is needed to kill, so an AOE potent enough he'll counter but something that would cut him in half wouldn't make difference, he'll just reform as seen with the flash back as well as against Aqua.

His attack potency should scale to Megumin's volume 3 explosion and above. He was aware Darkness had survived it, in volume 8 his attack was aimed at Aqua only for it to eventually hit Darkness and for him to wonder how she survived.


Also you should really drop the 'adventurer's can cast lightning spells so they should be able to react to it'. The lightning feat is non-author and contradicts author words. Secondly what he had adapted was [Lightning Strike] and not [Lightning] , the former comes from above while the latter comes from the user. Off to sleep agai
 
Wiz:
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Attack Potency: Multi-city block possibly lower (outclassed in explosion by volume 9 Megumin, spells ineffective against Sylvia but has lich skills against high magical resistance opponents | At-least Town Level with [Light Of Saber]

Speed: Supersonic

Lifting Strength: Unknown (Should be higher than mages of her level because of her undead status)

Striking Strength: Unknown (Should be higher than mages of her level because of her undead status

Durability: Multi-City Block level magically | Renders non-enchanted physical attacks harmless

Range: Kilometers

Intelligence: Genius if serious but most of the time clumsy

I shall elaborate. Wiz has extremely high mana, her current build spreads out her power rather than focus it on one ability. For example Megumin directly raises her explosion power rather than raise her mana. In explosion AP she is outclassed by Megumin but this does NOT mean Wiz is weaker, in fact she is far stronger. To put this into perspective, Konosuba world has beginner magic, intermediate magic and advanced magic.

Wiz had used [Light Of Saber] from advanced magic to cut the Demon King's barrier supported by 4 generals. People powerwank this too much while ignoring the mechanics of the series. This was the barrier vs Wiz's mana, it's a spell that lets you cut things based on your magical power vs what you want to cut's power. Please remember the first sentence, you can raise the power of a specific spell or rely on your base stats/magical power = potency of that spell

[Light Of Saber] depends on mana as stated, no evidence that it's AP can be raised through otther means, this is why Wiz is outclassed by Megumin in explosion as well as her other spells potency being ineffective against Sylvia.

Speaking of her durability, I don't know if it's Konosuba wording or not but physical attacks are ineffective against her and are rendered 'harmless' unless they are enchanted/magical, so negation? Anyways, her durability I placed her at 8-A/Multi-City-Block this is Sylvia's durability who has the highest magical resistance among the demon generals, also Sylvia's peak was low 7-C.
 
To summarize or more like to clarify the Megumin wank, let's start with levels:

  • Begins at level 6
  • Volume 1 Chapter 4: Unknown experience from Beldia's knights
  • Volume 2 Chapter 1: Gains a Level off of 8 Snow Sprites
  • Volume 4 Chapter 1: Megumin Is Level 26 (Meaning Beldia's Undead Knights, Vanir and MFD Equaled out to 19 levels)
  • Volume 4: Haans Kill
  • Volume 5 Chapter 1: Megumin is Now Level 33 (Meaning Haans Death blow was 7 levels + possibly other unknown event)
  • Volume 13 Chapter 2: ["Exactly. My level is already above forty. A home garden or two is acceptable for me."]
Now i'll go ahead and say all novel spinoffs, short stories and main novel volumes are written by the author, all except the Dust spinoff which is written and illustrated by different people. In the Dust Spinoff Megumin had done an airburst with her explosion and caused the clouds to clear (Illustrator made a mistake here ), calculations put thisat 59.3 gigatons , this is something that should be happening between volume 7 and 9. Now please look at Megumin's level at volume 5 above.

Megumin's raises her explosive power directly, there was never any mention of raising her range, okay let us assume her range naturally rises with her level or skill points she uses on raising explosion. Megumin volume 5 had stated something 1-2 kilometers away (i'll elaborate soon), was barely within her range. Calculations from that spinoff show her range to be able to reach 8 kilometers and a power she does not display in the main novels.

Before we get into that, let's mention volume 5 range. Kazuma and Megumin had come to a part of the forest away from the crimson village. Kazuma for greater detail and range uses his [farsight], in this case he did not. Also in this case the object he was viewing (a boulder) was never stated to be at the horizon, just that it was within his view. In Volume 9 the demon king army camps were described to be a few kilometers so in this case 2-3 kilometers. Kazuma's strategy in this was to get close enough to get in range for Megumin to use her explosion. So for volume 5 I assume the boulder was within 1 or 2 kilometers.

Getting to the power of the feat in the spinoff...Yeah, it does not fit. Whether it's scaling based on Megumin's level or her feats in the main novel, forget gigatons, she hasn't displayed megatons. Spinoff happens between 7-9, not mentioning times she went out of town to target boulders, in volume 7 she had caused all the windows within town to shatter from an air burst, in the next volume she does the same, the volume after that her gigaton calculations from the spinoff really didn't come into play against setting off her explosions in the forest or later later against the lake in volume 12. Also I gave Megumin 7-C up there purely for scaling matter? If I use nukemap to try and get a sense of her feat of destroying all the windows within town, low 7-C 1psi over 6 km diameter covers that (ignoring other effects). There is more evidence (main novel) against her receiving 7-C (her current profile 6-C), for example http://regulationspolicies.usf.edu/...olicy-6-002-bomb-threat-stand-off-chart-a.pdf
 
@Muchacho mrm

Now, I'm not here for the CRT itself as I'm not an expert on Konosuba, but I saw the unaccepted changes you've made which has been undone, so I'm going to ask something:

Did you have the approval of the users in the Knowledgeable Members List of "Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku Wo!"? Did you have the admins or bureaucrats such as Antvasima (though preferably you need the approval of the knowledgeable members of Konosuba first) to evaluate this thread?

Because you need all of these to get the changes in this thread to be accepted.
 
Eeh, no but thank you for the info. It's been over a week already.
 
@Muchacho, why did you counters i didn't even made?

What i said is that her being only able to hit a 20 meters AOE is false because she killed hordes of monsters and Beldia's knight(you even quoted the part were she said it) her not killing every one does not invalidate the feat, she would kill most of them.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DramaPreservingHandicap

You know that having high amounts of magical power raises the power of every skill, the demon king underling says in the same volume that Wiz has a magical power so high they weren't even able to get close to her, also magical power is like strenght it dictates how strong a mage is, if you have enough magical power light of saber can cut through anything, doesn't she needs to pour extra mana into it.

the only things in the destroyer that can blow up a town in a single strike is it's self destruct and the heat it releases is able to severely damage the town. But still destroying it in a short amout of time should still me classified as at least small town level.

My mention of the magic circles was just to coment on the visual representation of the anime, it wasn't even an argument. She did obliterate the destroyer with her explosion and although that wasn't through her own magical power she later became much stronger than that. her attacking the legs is not even a relevant feat.

I don't know why are you putting aqua on kazuma's level if she is stronger than Vanir and Wiz, also, vanir is hopeless without a body as even a Arch priest is able to purify him when he doesn't have a body(this should be added as a weakness).

Using levels to rate characters statistics is one of the most inconsistent things you can do, as they will most likely lead to several broken scailings(like vanir being killed by an explosion but megumin being unable to oneshot Hans despite being stronger than when she killed vanir.

Sylvia magic resistance being really OP doesn't warrant a downgrade to other characters and is only further proof of Explosion ignoring magical resistances as it was a threat to Sylvia even though "she' was fine when taking a magic from Wiz a much stronger character.

Mages are still able to make lightning rain down from the sky, and advanced magic should have at least comparable speed(light magic is also a thing).
 
Gabriel 00 said:
@Muchacho, why did you counters i didn't even made?
What i said is that her being only able to hit a 20 meters AOE is false because she killed hordes of monsters and Beldia's knight(you even quoted the part were she said it) her not killing every one does not invalidate the feat, she would kill most of them.
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Well speak to the author:

[After the dust settled, a crater twenty meters in diameter revealed where the frog had been, showing how powerful the explosion was.] - Volume 1 Chapter 1

That is the crater she left, her starting point and where she scales from. Even leaving a 5 meter crater doesn't mean your blast and heat is restricted to 5 meters. The power has already been calculated https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gwynbleiddd/Calc_request_by_Jucaslucas

Which is why I said slightly less that that ^.

Having high magical power means your potency scales off that, this is no different than just increasing your stats. The higher your magical power, the higher your spell potency, this is has a limit which is why Megumin directly raises her spell's potency rather than her mana this part happens across all volumes. You can also directly raise the efficiency of skills which is what Darkness does.

The self destruct of the destroyer? It destroyed a mansion and it's property, the heat that was going to leak out was the problem, it would damage the town, not the entire town.

Regardless of what you meant about magic circles, an 8-B/8-A Megumin blew aparts it's legs, why do you assume Aqua's mana was a huge power increase when high 8-A would still do the job?

Her stats and feats are what I'm judging her by. Also she has AP potent enough to damage either, the latter being not that good of a feat.

Inconsistent? I think you're going by the anime, in the LN Megumin one shotted Hans then Wiz froze the bits to contain his poison. Kazuma laters states it was all Megumin. Also it was Hans' size and the fact that it was stated he had magical resistance that made it hard. Also it is not inconsistency with Vanir dying to Megumin's explosion, I don't how you missed the fact that in the next chapter he quite literally stated the potency was enough to take one of his lives. Also Vanir's highest durability is his mask and not his body, his body even Darkness can destroy/cut with her low AP.

Sylvia having the highest magical resistance makes it easier to scale the durability of other characters. Also her explosion would not have killed her, it was blatantly obvious the railgun had higher AP, that is until Kazuma used Megumin's skill points to raise her explosive power and from his perspective thought the power she released at that time should have killed Sylvia.

I don't know why you think all magic should have the same speed, even advanced magic. Just because character A is able to cast [lightning] in their own universe doesn't mean character B is able to react to it unless it's a charged attack. An example of a charged attack in text would be if character A chants then Character B chants and countinues speaking to character A.

Also nobody said Mages aren't able to make lightning rain down, what I said was the manga adapted Yunyun using [Lightning Strike] and not [Lightning], the former comes from above while the latter comes from the user and can even be casted indoors.
 
Argument #1: Fodder can dodge lightning


Debunking the argument: A non-author adaptation that contradicts the author's words


Argument #2: Megumin has a 24 megaton explosion in season 1 last episode based on the fireball (totally not animator handiwork...)


Debunking the argument: Megumin had a multi-city block potency at that time and the result? Partial pulverization of the destroyer's while Wiz fully pulverized it's legs. Megumin then received Aqua's mana and both the manga and LN skipped it, only info was she 'obliterated' it, nothing about pulverization nor it's parts that were left from the previous explosion, not even the magnitude of its power. One thing to note is that at-least for Wiz it was mentioned "her explosion having blown the pieces into dust".


Argument #3: Spinoff has her feat in the gigatons!


Debunking the argument: All spinoffs except that one are written by the author, the illustrator is also not from the main novel. The feat was Megumin doing an Airburst and clearing cloud cover.

"That explosion chased away the clouds covering the sky, revealing a blanket of shimmering stars."

well if you look at the illustratio she failed to clear based on the description of the feat. The important point is that this output as well as this range (8+ km) is not seen in the main novel, forget gigatons, the most she's done for an airburst was damage the windows within town and her range at max being around 2km.


Argument #4: Wiz is superior to the party! She broke the demon king barrier so all her abilities scale to that feat! Megumin beat her in explosive power?! Stop talking nonsense!


Debunking the argument: Wiz is yes superior to the party, her array of spells, skills and her total mana is what makes her superior. Breaking the demon king barrier means her total mana and abilities that rely on mana scale to that, if you read below I'll explain further. Yes, at some unknown time Megumin had challenged her and beat her taking #1 in Axel spot, being the second person in the party to take a #1 spot (Darkness #1 defense)


Light Of Saber: A spell that let's the user cut anything so long as their mana is enough for that task

Wiz used that to cut the barrier, meaning her AP with Light of Saber is just that potent. Her other spells? Those scale off her magic power stat, as I've explained above someone can directly raise the potency of their spell/skill rather than just rely on their magical power for AP. Wiz's potency for her other spells was already revealed in the next scene of that feat, her spells not being potent enough to harm Sylvia who has the highest magical resistance. One more important thing is that abnormal status magic is not under magical resistance, that is for magical attacks while abnormal resistance is for the above. They are two different things, which is why in that scene Wiz used drain touch on Sylvia and why it was effective.


Okay, for the second time i'll explain Konosuba's weird system.

Skill points: Something you gain from level up and when you register, for example some adventurers can start with 0 while some start with dozens, talent is a key factor. Skill points are what are used to upgrade skills and spells or learn new ones, so if you're as crazy as Megumin you can directly raise one spell's potency rather than learn other spells, it's a choice between spreading your power or focusing on one thing. If you learn other spells rather than doing that, then your AP scales off your magic power stat rather than receiving additional potency from upgrading the spell/skill.


Stats & Levels: Everyone has a predetermined stat cap, this is decided by talent/potential. Also Everyone starts off with stats and yes this is determined by talent/potential, your stats can be below the average for your job/class or higher than the average, for example 2 level 20 archmages use the same spell and you'll notice one has higher AP than the other, not because of spell proficiency but because of stats. So in simpler terms, Adventurer A starts of with 'X' amounts of stats higher than adventurer B and they both level up scaling up from their initial stats.


Bloodlines: This raises the chances of a person having high stats. If you're wondering where the hero (Japanese cheat holder) that defeats the demon king puts his 'plug', the princess takes the burden. This is seen as a reward for the hero but the royalty see this as their reward since it nearly guarantees the resulting child will be strong or at-least keep their blood strong. I just thought I should mention this.
 
So, I'm not here for the CRT thread, so I'm just here to say this:

You know when I've said that you need the approval of the Knowledgeable members of this verse listed in that link? Well, not many of them would know that this CRT exists, so you'll need to contact them through their message wall (preferably, all of the ones that are still active) to let them know this exists and provide a link to it. Once you got their approval, contact one of the admins/bureaucrats, provide them a link to this thread, and wait for their evaluation.
 
Yeah, forgot about it I just did it though, thank you for reminding me.
 
Can a staff or experienced member give a TL;DR summary here?
 
This is a huge doozy... But I think from reading through, the cast gets knocked down to Town and Supersonic? Well Town via Megumin's explosion but the rest are like in MCB or something stages?

Yeah we'll need a TL;DR here cuz its very confusing and long to read.
 
TL;DR

All characters to low 7-C and below and possibly 7-C for Megumin [Explosion], Wiz's [Light Of Saber] and Aqua's [Sacred Break Spell]

Fodder dodging lightning removed and everyone that scales to that.

Non-author feats for Megumin removed.

Everyone that scales to Darkness' durability removed. Her own durability to Low 7-C 'to possibly '7-C as she constantly raises her durability directly that also keeps up with Megumins AP and honestly this should have been removed a-long time ago when the MC who is aware of all their stats states that she has highest defense several times.

Madness levels of striking strength removed/adgusted to class and level, for example Megumin's striking strength being comparable to her magic AP, which must have been added by a madman. Casters don't have that physical strength and physical AP that scales to caster's magic AP is done by sword master's in Konosuba, a class suited for melee.

All statements about 'weaker people can do this and that' removed as they are not relevant nor do they scale unless they are relevant to that build/class. For example you can raise your magic defense to the high heavens and even resist 5-B magic potency but you would still fall to a low level using abnormal status magic that inflicts, 'poison, paralysis, sleep, curse and drain touch.' Darkness has this resistance while the party members have not, Aqua has her hagoromo from heaven to resist abnormal magic, Megumin had not even raised it, same goes for Kazuma.
 
What would the statistics be based on?
 
For Megumin her starting point was a 20 meter (diameter) crater as described in the novel, slightly less than this. Scaling off that she (levelling up) she later does airbursts over the town damaging/shattering windows across town, Ignoring conventional weapons, the town's length is unknown in the novel but based off current estimates (6km) and using nukemap an airburst of 200M from a 2kt load would do the trick of covering that distance for 1psi (window shattering), so low 7-C. Coincidentally fits with her levelling/scaling.

For Darkness who also has the highest durability on the team and quite possibly in the entire series (not counting unknown/unseen characters), Darkness would scale to above AP one important thing is that this isn't her normal durability but a use of her skills + stat durability.

Fodder dodging lightning feat has already been debunked above (key word: "Adventurer Sophie"). Everyone that scales to this is now downgraded.

Wiz's normal AP would be 8-A, she doesn't scale to Megumin in [Explosion] as she's already been outclassed. Her [Light Of Saber] Should be low-7C possibly 7-C, it is an ability that uses mana rather than magic stats to cut anything. The reason it scales this high is because of her feat to cut the demon king barrier.

For the durability of other characters beside Darkness:

Wiz: Scaling off Sylvia the mage killer 8-A would be her durability. Physical attack (non-magical) do her no harm

Megumin: Below Wiz should be 8-B possibly lower

Vanir: Body made of earth, 8-C possibly lower, even the low AP Darkness can damage/destroy it. Mask should be 8-A, the still multi-city block Megumin killed him making him state that the power was potent enough to take his life.

Aqua: Below Darkness, does not scale to Darkness. 8-A possibly lower, the 8-A AP of Megumin was tanked by Darkness who was said to have the highest defense.

Once you digest that i'll move on to AP of other characters.
 
Are there any calculation blogs for this that have been accepted by the calc group?
 
The first link is yet to be commented on by you or posted on the evaluation page. The following links are all based on the instructions here. Other points are all main novel VS secondary source (non debatable)
 
Well, you should probably post the blog link in the evaluations requests thread then, despite that it is around 3 years old now.
 
Thanks,I just did. Regardless of whether it is accepted or not, there a-ton of changes to be made. For example the 'fodder dodging lightning' that everyone scales to, a false adaptation (manga) of the light novel
 
I'll leave these here for future clarification. Firstly I chose this crater: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gwynbleiddd/Calc_request_by_Jucasluc

because the LN had stated this: [After the dust settled, a crater twenty meters in diameter revealed where the frog had been, showing how powerful the explosion was.]

While the anime had done this
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Some accepted feats conflicting with source and logic, i'll keep this short:

Feat 1: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jobbo/Megumin%27s_Explosio

  • 20 meter diameter start as stated by LN
  • Feat was pulverization and not vaporization
  • Megumin had no level gain prior to feat
  • Crater is the deepest depth across seasons even with level gain Megumin


Feat 2: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jobbo/Konosuba_lake_freezing

  • LN Sophie never dodged or was aware
  • Spell used in LN was [Lightning], adaptation shows [Lightning Strike], the former comes from the user while the latter from above
  • First listed feat is speculatory as we have no information, of number of people, amount frozen and size of lake


Feat 3 Megumin receives a boost from Aqua's mana: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jobbo/Explosion_recalc



Feat 3: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jobbo/Megumin_cloud_clearing

  • Non-author adaptation
  • Megumin's range is max 2km
  • Illustration debunks it (still cloud cover) compared to the descrition
  • Author feat to compare it to are volume 7&8, no cloud manipulation or other effects just just shattering town windows
 
Well, I have too many tasks at once to be able to keep track of what needs to be done in this thread. Perhaps you can ask some other VS Battles Staff members to help out? Specifically administrators and discussion moderators.
 
There's a mistake in 6-C calc. Thickness of those clouds should be 500 or 2000 m. That would make top-tiers 4 to 16 times weaker in terms of AP
 
Thank you for the evaluation. I suppose that it cannot be used then.
 
Okay. I have commented.
 
So to recap, lightning reaction is soley from the anime and even then the person wasn't dodging the lightning but a slime. So lightning reactions is bunk and the series power is consistently below 6-c and the calc that actually put them their is innaccurate?
 
Yep, basically. So pretty much a major downgrade for the verse, especially a big one since Konosuba was considered to be one of the most OP High 6-Cs iirc. But yeah, not anymore. Too many consistent lower feats and scans were provided to counter anything on the level of 6-C.

I'm just surprised there's not too many Konosuba supporters in this thread.
 
I suspect they don't have information to combat this and thus are just trying to ignore it. Atleast thats all i can think of at the moment.
 
From high 6-C to about 7-C...Well I'll ask calc member about it. The cloud calc there is non-author and if it were correct her rating would be fair play, that is there wasn't 2 similar author feats to compare it to as well statement/events related to it. Other feats I have already covered it several posts up with links that conflict with source.

Aah, the lightning dodging feat was adapted wrong. If you go by source has 2 mistakes, #1 the spell adaptated is [lightnight strike] which comes from the air/cloud while the one used in source is [Lightning] which comes from the user. The #2 mistake is that in source the adventurer (Sophie) never dodged or was aware until after Yunyun attacked the slime that was sneaking up on her from above, it was then that her along with everyone else looked up to see what Yunyun attacked, to their surprise find that slimes are camping on the trees.
 
I will close this then.
 
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