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KN6 Naruto Uncharged TBB Calc

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Intro
So, in this thread it was accepted that Konoha is bigly now. Calc from the verse page.

Meat and Taters
This thread is to get this calc accepted that uses the new size of Konoha. Calc is rather simple, we see KN6 Naruto's uncharged, prematurely released TBB explode next to the FoD, using that we get its size, and apply a simple explosion formula to it for the yield.

Conclusion
If accepted I'll add the calc to the verse page.

Yay: Clover
Nay:
Idc:
 
Thank you for waiting until I was free to address this.

Firstly, I'll state that I don't have a strong disagreement with the calc itself; it is mathematically correct and in a vacuum it could be usable. But I have reasons for not being okay with it being directly applied and considered the best possible method.

Secondly, I think that even if we do accept the calc as being valid, that doesn't mean the only option available to us is using it exclusively and I'll outline some potential alternatives.

My Issues with the Calc

Less Reliable Method


One of the main flaws with Arc7Kuroi's method as I see it is that his point of comparison for the explosion (the Forest of Death with its 20 km diameter) is mostly off-screen in the panel that he using for his pixelscaling.

This is the original panel with the partially visible forest in the top-right highlighted:

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As Arc7Kuroi's pixelscaling shows, the majority of it is completely off-screen. Arc7Kuroi has compensated for this by using a circular guide to assist the pixelscaling (assuming that from the angle we're viewing it at, the Forest of Death would be a perfect circle like that) but it still introduces uncertainty for precise size scaling.

Especially since, if we can't see the full landmark, how can we be entirely sure that it is the Forest of Death?

This is the same panel from the official colored version of the manga. It depicts that wide band I've highlighted bordering the forest as being what looks like a river going by the shade of blue.

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But as we can tell from the only other existing shot we have of Konoha and the Forest of Death in the same panel, there is no such river encircling the circumference of the forest.

If Kishimoto, over the years, changed how he envisions the layout of Konoha to be, to include a wide stretch of river above it... then we can't be completely sure that what is being pixelscaled here is intended to be the Forest of Death at all. We don't have a complete look at it, so we can't say "This is definitely a completely circular patch of forest, so it must be the Forest of Death."

We see only a small area that has a bend to it following the river, which means it could simply be a forest on the other side of the riverbank and not necessarily the Forest of Death itself.

Because of this added uncertainity (unable to pixelscaling off of the whole thing, and unable to verify by any other means that it is the very same Forest of Death), the method is less reliable, but this isn't the only issue I have.

Inconsistency with Other Methods

What the OP hasn't mentioned in his opening post is that we do currently have an accepted method for the explosion's size that this would be replacing, and not only that but we have four potential alternative methods.

If I arrange the accepted methods for the diameter of the explosion in order from smallest to largest, it should illustrate my point:
The newest method is almost 20 times larger than each of the other methods used to find the size of the explosion. If each method is valid to use, then only one of these method is highly inconsistent with the others.

Moreover, each of the reference objects used in the other methods for calculating the explosion are full visible and all pixelscaling done on-screen. I used the Hokage monuments heads, two methods for the cliff that the monument is situated on, and the depth of Pain's crater in Konoha. While none of them of course have an explicitly stated size value, we can put some trust in Kishimoto for keeping size relatively consistent.

After all, for calcs to work for this at all, we're assuming that Kishimoto is trying to be consistent between the size of the Forest of Death and the size of the explosion, otherwise there'd be no point in pixelscaling them. So there shouldn't be any real issue in having to find the size of these reference objects by comparing them to things Kishimoto has drawn.

If we have to balance on scales between "What is Kishimoto most likely to been consistent with", then Methods 1 through 4 show greater relative consistency with each other, than Method 5 does with any other method. If Kishimoto really intended for the explosion to be 21 kilometers across, why did he draw nothing else consistent with that except for the partially visible Forest of Death?

So in my personal evaluation, the newest proposed method is both the most unreliable method from the list, and the most inconsistent in terms of results.

Alternative Solutions

If you still believe the calc in the OP to be perfectly valid for use still, that doesn't inherently mean that the other methods are rendered invalid and can't be used. There are some options we can go for:

Use the more consistent results

As I laid out above, there is greater consistency in the already existing methods. Just because the newest one is mathematically valid doesn't mean it is the one we have to use. We can just continue using the currently accepted one, with the other calculations acting as support for it. By comparison the newest method has no additional support.

Average the results

If all five methods are valid, then a compromise solution to ensure that all valid size scalings are accounted for (so we're not just dismissing the inconsistent result, or favoring the inconsistent result above the others), is to produce an average calculation of all five methods. This represents a fair middle ground without skewing to the most extreme results.

Upper and lower bounds

Instead of averaging, we acknowledge that the explosion's size isn't completely certain since it depends on what exactly you go by to measure it. With multiple valid frames of reference, we can say that the explosion is "At least 978 meters across", going by one point of comparison, and it goes "up to 21,000 meters", this reflects the variability in the methods while accomodating the newest method as an upper limit for its size. Given the uncertainty of the method I raised above, this is better than relying on it as a definitive result and ignoring all other evidence.

This is an extra point that I want to highlight but I know it's obviously not an argument that stands up on its own so I'm not relying on it:

This is what the current list of Biju Bomb calcs looks like for the Naruto verse:
It's a pretty neat order of progression, for the most part, going:

6-Tails Naruto -> Eight-Tails / Standard Biju Bomb -> Half-Power Kurama - > 1st Form Jubi / Kurama & Gyuki Combined -> 2nd Form Jubi

With the method, we instead get:
We instead get the 6-Tails Naruto surpassing the Biju Bombs created by the first form of the Juubi and the combined efforts of Kurama and Gyuki... I know this doesn't function as a counter-argument because we'd inevitably end up just upscaling all of the characters in that list to beyond the new calc... but I have to observe that even from a powerscaling perspective alone, the new calc is not very consistent with the general depiction of Biju Bomb sizes throughout the series.

Conclusion

My current perspective is that while the new calc isn't inherently wrong, it is less reliable and far more inconsistent than what we currently use. I don't see a majorly convincing reason for why we are safer using the new proposed method to the exclusion of all other methods and all other evidence that depicts a size more consistently around 20 times smaller than what has been calced. If a majority of Calc Group Members feels that we should use the new calc in some way, then I'd like to know their thoughts on the alternative solutions I've suggested.
 
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