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I mostly am in favor of this however I do think that at least some the other 4-A feats seem reasonable enough to not downgrade the rest of the verse. I am also neutral on all other implications beyond 3-B/3-A Magolor and the speed upgrade.
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Kirby's Cosmology Revision; Potential Downgrade
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Hang on, NVM I forgot that Drawcia and Dark Mind have 4-A feats I didn't have a look at the comments lol I'd only heard of the Dark Nebula feat which made Kirby that tier so I've changed my mind. Magalor isn't confirmed to be a 3-A and it hes an outlier anyway so nothing should really scale
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@Everyone
KU=Kirby's universe
MU=Magolor's universe
AD=Another Dimension
Magolor's universe not being Another dimension
Magolor's universe being Another dimension
Magolor's universe being Another Dimension:
KU=Kirby's universe
MU=Magolor's universe
AD=Another Dimension
Magolor's universe not being Another dimension
Magolor's universe being Another dimension
Magolor's universe being Another Dimension:
- + It matches with Magolor establishing that his home planet exists in another dimension/Another Dimension, moments before going there.
- + It matches with Magolor's universe & Another Dimension looking identically.
- + It matches with Magolor establishing that he is from another dimension/Another Dimension in the next game, which has Magolor being just as relevant as the previous one.
- + It matches with the Lor going from Kirby's universe to Magolor's directly while using a portal, without going to Another Dimension in the prosess.
- - It contradicts Magolor going from his universe to Kirby's using a portal, spending a lot of time on Another Dimension, and then needing to use another portal.
- - It supposedly contradicts Galacta Knight appearing from a portal similar to those used to travel to Another Dimension. And sence the pause menu says that he was "brought here via an extra-dimensional road beyond the space-time continuum", then Another Dimension supposedly has to be that... the fourth dimension?
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The sleeping god is still sleeping apparently.Antvasima said:
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Magolor going from his universe to Kirby's: Magolor indeed stated that he was going to attack Popstar (Kirby's planet) first, to which I say that he was just testing his new powers in his universe to later travel to Popstar. Magolor didn't said "I will go directly to Popstar now", just that Popstar was going to be affected first, big difference.
Galacta Knight appearing from a portal: This just makes no sense at all. The "contradiction" doesn't come from the pause menu, it comes from the portal looking identical to other portals in Kirby. And sence it looks identical then it has to lead to Another Dimension. Except that it doesn't. It's just a portal, its design means nothing. Another Dimension was previously mentioned in that game, which supposedly supports this argument via... Something. I prefer to believe the previous statements that this pause menu, which clearly uses fancy words without thinking too much about it; "beyond the space-time continuum"? Wasn't Magolor BFR'd to a dimension beyond space and time after his defeat? Why is now Another Dimension also beyond space and time? The previous statements at least come from games very, very related to Magolor, we shouldn't consider Galacta Knight pause menu to be much relevant.
Galacta Knight appearing from a portal: This just makes no sense at all. The "contradiction" doesn't come from the pause menu, it comes from the portal looking identical to other portals in Kirby. And sence it looks identical then it has to lead to Another Dimension. Except that it doesn't. It's just a portal, its design means nothing. Another Dimension was previously mentioned in that game, which supposedly supports this argument via... Something. I prefer to believe the previous statements that this pause menu, which clearly uses fancy words without thinking too much about it; "beyond the space-time continuum"? Wasn't Magolor BFR'd to a dimension beyond space and time after his defeat? Why is now Another Dimension also beyond space and time? The previous statements at least come from games very, very related to Magolor, we shouldn't consider Galacta Knight pause menu to be much relevant.
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I agree with Magolor's updgrade, though there already exists feats where Kirby is still 4-A.
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While I support this revision I suppose I can play devils advocate.
Arguments I could see against this are that it could be a matter of similar design like how the mirror world looks like kirbys universe or maybe because it was created/accessed from Magolors universe.
Neither of these are very good I know but they are the best potential counter arguments I can think of.
Arguments I could see against this are that it could be a matter of similar design like how the mirror world looks like kirbys universe or maybe because it was created/accessed from Magolors universe.
Neither of these are very good I know but they are the best potential counter arguments I can think of.
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I agree
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I'll try and get all the info I can about what I think tommorow, since I know there is a lot to go through with Another Dimension.
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Alright, so we know that Halcandra is Magolor's home. The discussion is about whether or not it is in Another Dimension. I personally say that it isn't and here's why.
1. There are portals to Another Dimension in Halcandra. For example, in the first stage of Egg Engines. There are other portals to Another Dimension in levels 6-3, 7-1, 7-2, and 7-3. Why would there be dimensional portals to a place in the same universe?
https://youtu.be/MhNKVyrILHs?t=6m43s
2. Magolor opens a portal to Another Dimension to go to Popstar from Halcandra. Why would Magolor open a portal into the same universe to make his way to another universe?
https://youtu.be/tr6nv-vDhYU?t=3m36s
Now I know that you have a problem with Galacta Knight getting brought through Another Dimension so I'll try and explain myself the best that I can.
First things first, I'll quote you on your argument against Galacta Knight being summoned from Another Dimension.
"And sence it looks identical then it has to lead to Another Dimension. Except that it doesn't. It's just a portal, its design means nothing. Another Dimension was previously mentioned in that game, which supposedly supports this argument via... Something."
I would agree that the portal design means nothing if this wasn't blatently false. There are different types of portals in the Kirby series and the ones used in Planet Robobot primarialy look like this.
https://youtu.be/jOwAnaRjR8A?t=33m50s
While portals that lead to Another Dimension always have the same design to them. A star shaped portal which, in most cases, is a blueish color. Heck, you can even see Another Dimension in the background of Galacta Knight's portal!
"I prefer to believe the previous statements that this pause menu, which clearly uses fancy words without thinking too much about it; "beyond the space-time continuum"?"
Well, I mean Star Dream also states this in correlation to bringing Galacta Knight over.
"Prepare yourself... Executing Space-Time Transport... Extra-dimensional road... Booting... 3... 2... 1... BEGIN!"
So obviously it isn't just pause screen fluff.
Last things last, Magolor's banishment is kinda hard to pin down. Just going by the play by play, Kirby defeats him, he disappers in a flash of light, Kumazaki says this about his fate "After roaming around the dimension beyond space and time, he might've found an exit. When Kirby and his friends returned home, maybe Magolor traveled around building theme parks in different worlds.", then he apperaed in the Dream Collection. It never said he was banished to a dimension beyond space-time, just that he wandered around in it. This presents its own set of problems but that would be for another content revision thread.
1. There are portals to Another Dimension in Halcandra. For example, in the first stage of Egg Engines. There are other portals to Another Dimension in levels 6-3, 7-1, 7-2, and 7-3. Why would there be dimensional portals to a place in the same universe?
https://youtu.be/MhNKVyrILHs?t=6m43s
2. Magolor opens a portal to Another Dimension to go to Popstar from Halcandra. Why would Magolor open a portal into the same universe to make his way to another universe?
https://youtu.be/tr6nv-vDhYU?t=3m36s
Now I know that you have a problem with Galacta Knight getting brought through Another Dimension so I'll try and explain myself the best that I can.
First things first, I'll quote you on your argument against Galacta Knight being summoned from Another Dimension.
"And sence it looks identical then it has to lead to Another Dimension. Except that it doesn't. It's just a portal, its design means nothing. Another Dimension was previously mentioned in that game, which supposedly supports this argument via... Something."
I would agree that the portal design means nothing if this wasn't blatently false. There are different types of portals in the Kirby series and the ones used in Planet Robobot primarialy look like this.
https://youtu.be/jOwAnaRjR8A?t=33m50s
While portals that lead to Another Dimension always have the same design to them. A star shaped portal which, in most cases, is a blueish color. Heck, you can even see Another Dimension in the background of Galacta Knight's portal!
"I prefer to believe the previous statements that this pause menu, which clearly uses fancy words without thinking too much about it; "beyond the space-time continuum"?"
Well, I mean Star Dream also states this in correlation to bringing Galacta Knight over.
"Prepare yourself... Executing Space-Time Transport... Extra-dimensional road... Booting... 3... 2... 1... BEGIN!"
So obviously it isn't just pause screen fluff.
Last things last, Magolor's banishment is kinda hard to pin down. Just going by the play by play, Kirby defeats him, he disappers in a flash of light, Kumazaki says this about his fate "After roaming around the dimension beyond space and time, he might've found an exit. When Kirby and his friends returned home, maybe Magolor traveled around building theme parks in different worlds.", then he apperaed in the Dream Collection. It never said he was banished to a dimension beyond space-time, just that he wandered around in it. This presents its own set of problems but that would be for another content revision thread.
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1 Those portals aren't just to another space but to another time as they bring Kirby & co. to after Magolor's defeat when Another Dimension was collapsing. The portals lead to there and I disagree with this being an argument against my proposition.
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>"Magolor opens a portal to Another Dimension to go to Popstar from Halcandra. Why would Magolor open a portal into the same universe to make his way to another universe?
https://youtu.be/tr6nv-vDhYU?t=3m36s "
I already explain this point. As a side note, The Lor was able to make this trip on a single portal and Magolor with the limitless power of the Master Crown wasn't? I don't think so.
My position is the same in regard to Galacta Knight's portal.
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>"Magolor opens a portal to Another Dimension to go to Popstar from Halcandra. Why would Magolor open a portal into the same universe to make his way to another universe?
https://youtu.be/tr6nv-vDhYU?t=3m36s "
I already explain this point. As a side note, The Lor was able to make this trip on a single portal and Magolor with the limitless power of the Master Crown wasn't? I don't think so.
My position is the same in regard to Galacta Knight's portal.
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1. So instead of leading to another dimension, these portals lead forward in time to when Magolor was defeated? This isn't stated anywhere in game and only really works if we work under the assumption that Halcandra is Another Dimension. It just has too big of a leap in logic for my liking when the explanation that Another Dimension is a different dimension just makes more sense.
2. The Lor Starcutter itself has been stated to be able to traverse not only space, but time. Which seems like an odd power to just suddenly be confirmed two games later in a Miiverse post that isn't really relevent to the Lor. Unless (as I've been saying the whole time) Another Dimension is the dimension without time or space. The Lor can get from place to place in an instant because time doesn't flow naturally.
https://youtu.be/E0hZva-tYAI?t=30m16s
Not to mention the choices they made to the Lor getting to Halcandra. They don't just show the Lor opening a portal, going through the portal, then the portal closing behind them. They show the Lor making the portal, it closing behind them, then the portal opening in Halcandra. This suggests to me that there's a middleman involved, but I'm guessing you'll disagree.
3. No you really didn't explain why Magolor had to open a portal to his same universe to get to Popstar. You just said that he was testing his powers, which is pure headcanon that isn't supported in game. He literally says he's going to attack Popstar, opens a portal to Popstar, and the crew chases him through Another Dimension to stop him from getting to Popstar.
1. So instead of leading to another dimension, these portals lead forward in time to when Magolor was defeated? This isn't stated anywhere in game and only really works if we work under the assumption that Halcandra is Another Dimension. It just has too big of a leap in logic for my liking when the explanation that Another Dimension is a different dimension just makes more sense.
2. The Lor Starcutter itself has been stated to be able to traverse not only space, but time. Which seems like an odd power to just suddenly be confirmed two games later in a Miiverse post that isn't really relevent to the Lor. Unless (as I've been saying the whole time) Another Dimension is the dimension without time or space. The Lor can get from place to place in an instant because time doesn't flow naturally.
https://youtu.be/E0hZva-tYAI?t=30m16s
Not to mention the choices they made to the Lor getting to Halcandra. They don't just show the Lor opening a portal, going through the portal, then the portal closing behind them. They show the Lor making the portal, it closing behind them, then the portal opening in Halcandra. This suggests to me that there's a middleman involved, but I'm guessing you'll disagree.
3. No you really didn't explain why Magolor had to open a portal to his same universe to get to Popstar. You just said that he was testing his powers, which is pure headcanon that isn't supported in game. He literally says he's going to attack Popstar, opens a portal to Popstar, and the crew chases him through Another Dimension to stop him from getting to Popstar.
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1. >"So instead of leading to another dimension, these portals lead forward in time to when Magolor was defeated"
Both.
>"This isn't stated anywhere in game"
Another Dimension collapses and has a wave consuming itself only when Magolor is defeated. Why would it had that wave consuming everything before that?
>"and only really works if we work under the assumption that Halcandra is Another Dimension"
I'm sorry, what?
>"It just has too big of a leap in logic for my liking when the explanation that Another Dimension is a different dimension just makes more sense"
This "explanation" was never said by anyone, while Another Dimension being Magolor's universe was said twice, the first time seconds before going there and seeing that it is identical to Another Dimension. Another Dimension being Magolor's universe is not just logical, it's evident.
2. >"The Lor Starcutter itself has been stated to be able to traverse not only space, but time. Which seems like an odd power to just suddenly be confirmed two games later in a Miiverse post that isn't really relevent to the Lor. Unless (as I've been saying the whole time) Another Dimension is the dimension without time or space. The Lor can get from place to place in an instant because time doesn't flow naturally."
Yet Kirby & co. were able to go there in seconds. The Lor having that power means nothing.
>"Not to mention the choices they made to the Lor getting to Halcandra. They don't just show the Lor opening a portal, going through the portal, then the portal closing behind them. They show the Lor making the portal, it closing behind them, then the portal opening in Halcandra. This suggests to me that there's a middleman involved, but I'm guessing you'll disagree."
Disagreeing with that suggesting that there's a middleman involved? Maybe, there could be one, but nothing as big as the time Magolor, Kirby & co. were in Another Dimension, especially considering how Magolor said that the Lor would take them there very quickly. As a side note, the cinematics in this and other Kirby games were very, very slow, so that's something.
3. My point wasn't "he was testing his powers" more than pointing out how he wasn't immediately going to Popstar, just that he would affect that planet first. After more than half the travel in Another Dimension Magolor opens a portal to summon the Lor which was in Halcandra, if Magolor were planning to immediately go to Popstar then he could just create a portal to that point in Another Dimension from the beginning. Is Magolor just not powerful enough to make a portal from one universe to another? What is this thing of needing to use a portal to go to a space tunnel to then use other portal in order to do that? Less powerful beings in Kirby don't need to go through that mess.
Both.
>"This isn't stated anywhere in game"
Another Dimension collapses and has a wave consuming itself only when Magolor is defeated. Why would it had that wave consuming everything before that?
>"and only really works if we work under the assumption that Halcandra is Another Dimension"
I'm sorry, what?
>"It just has too big of a leap in logic for my liking when the explanation that Another Dimension is a different dimension just makes more sense"
This "explanation" was never said by anyone, while Another Dimension being Magolor's universe was said twice, the first time seconds before going there and seeing that it is identical to Another Dimension. Another Dimension being Magolor's universe is not just logical, it's evident.
2. >"The Lor Starcutter itself has been stated to be able to traverse not only space, but time. Which seems like an odd power to just suddenly be confirmed two games later in a Miiverse post that isn't really relevent to the Lor. Unless (as I've been saying the whole time) Another Dimension is the dimension without time or space. The Lor can get from place to place in an instant because time doesn't flow naturally."
Yet Kirby & co. were able to go there in seconds. The Lor having that power means nothing.
>"Not to mention the choices they made to the Lor getting to Halcandra. They don't just show the Lor opening a portal, going through the portal, then the portal closing behind them. They show the Lor making the portal, it closing behind them, then the portal opening in Halcandra. This suggests to me that there's a middleman involved, but I'm guessing you'll disagree."
Disagreeing with that suggesting that there's a middleman involved? Maybe, there could be one, but nothing as big as the time Magolor, Kirby & co. were in Another Dimension, especially considering how Magolor said that the Lor would take them there very quickly. As a side note, the cinematics in this and other Kirby games were very, very slow, so that's something.
3. My point wasn't "he was testing his powers" more than pointing out how he wasn't immediately going to Popstar, just that he would affect that planet first. After more than half the travel in Another Dimension Magolor opens a portal to summon the Lor which was in Halcandra, if Magolor were planning to immediately go to Popstar then he could just create a portal to that point in Another Dimension from the beginning. Is Magolor just not powerful enough to make a portal from one universe to another? What is this thing of needing to use a portal to go to a space tunnel to then use other portal in order to do that? Less powerful beings in Kirby don't need to go through that mess.
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1. I think you misunderstood what I said. I was just saying instead of teleporting to another dimension in general, not the place Another Dimension. I hate that name.
2. It was collapsing becuase Another Dimension is a road beyond the normal space-time continuum. So of course the timeline wouldn't match up with the adventure.
3. "I'm sorry, what?"
Again, the distinction between lowercase another dimension and uppercase Another Dimension. Sorry about the confusion.
4. "while Another Dimension being Magolor's universe was said twice, the first time seconds before going there and seeing that it is identical to Another Dimension."
Um, no. It was said that that Halcandra was in another dimension (lowercase) and then you ignored the significance of the cases. Then you said the portals to Another Dimension actually brought you forward in time instead of an alternate universe when used in Halcandra. Then the second is that the background looks sorta similar in one of the shots, even though you ignore that fact when I compare the portals that Galacta Knight used to the dimensional rift.
5. "Yet Kirby & co. were able to go there in seconds" Where do they go in seconds? Another Dimension? Halcandra?
6. Like I said, Another Dimension is beyond space-time. The time they spent there wouldn't matter.
7. He summoned the Lor Starcutter and fought Kirby and co. to get rid of them. He knew they'd be a problem. What use would ruling the universe be (and that was his intention) if you had heroes fighting you all the time? So he was getting rid of them while in Another Dimension.
1. I think you misunderstood what I said. I was just saying instead of teleporting to another dimension in general, not the place Another Dimension. I hate that name.
2. It was collapsing becuase Another Dimension is a road beyond the normal space-time continuum. So of course the timeline wouldn't match up with the adventure.
3. "I'm sorry, what?"
Again, the distinction between lowercase another dimension and uppercase Another Dimension. Sorry about the confusion.
4. "while Another Dimension being Magolor's universe was said twice, the first time seconds before going there and seeing that it is identical to Another Dimension."
Um, no. It was said that that Halcandra was in another dimension (lowercase) and then you ignored the significance of the cases. Then you said the portals to Another Dimension actually brought you forward in time instead of an alternate universe when used in Halcandra. Then the second is that the background looks sorta similar in one of the shots, even though you ignore that fact when I compare the portals that Galacta Knight used to the dimensional rift.
5. "Yet Kirby & co. were able to go there in seconds" Where do they go in seconds? Another Dimension? Halcandra?
6. Like I said, Another Dimension is beyond space-time. The time they spent there wouldn't matter.
7. He summoned the Lor Starcutter and fought Kirby and co. to get rid of them. He knew they'd be a problem. What use would ruling the universe be (and that was his intention) if you had heroes fighting you all the time? So he was getting rid of them while in Another Dimension.
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1. Ok.
2. >"It was collapsing becuase Another Dimension is a road beyond the normal space-time continuum. So of course the timeline wouldn't match up with the adventure"
It was supposedly described to be beyond space and time several games after Return to Dreamland, so in that game the he place was like that because non-explained reasons? No. Another Dimension wasn't like that when Kirby & co. where fighting the Grand Doomer and when they where following and then fighting Magolor, it started with his defeat.
3. Ok
4.>"It was said that that Halcandra was in another dimension (lowercase) and then you ignored the significance of the cases"
What "significance of the cases"? The one that doesn't exist in Japan? The context makes it very clear that Magolor was referring to Another Dimension. Plus I'm quite sure that at least the second time translates as Another Dimension.
"Then you said the portals to Another Dimension actually brought you forward in time instead of an alternate universe when used in Halcandra."
No, they always take you to the future of Another Dimension, no matter where they are being used.
"Then the second is that the background looks sorta similar in one of the shots, even though you ignore that fact when I compare the portals that Galacta Knight used to the dimensional rift."
There portals that supposedly lead to Another Dimension aren't comparable to a massive area that we know is Magolor's universe.
5. Another Dimension. When they fought the Grand Doomer.
6. You know why I disagree with this.
7. Clearly, I assume that "Magolor going from his universe to Kirby's using a portal, spending a lot of time on Another Dimension, and then needing to use another portal" is no longer a contradiction given his capabilities then.
2. >"It was collapsing becuase Another Dimension is a road beyond the normal space-time continuum. So of course the timeline wouldn't match up with the adventure"
It was supposedly described to be beyond space and time several games after Return to Dreamland, so in that game the he place was like that because non-explained reasons? No. Another Dimension wasn't like that when Kirby & co. where fighting the Grand Doomer and when they where following and then fighting Magolor, it started with his defeat.
3. Ok
4.>"It was said that that Halcandra was in another dimension (lowercase) and then you ignored the significance of the cases"
What "significance of the cases"? The one that doesn't exist in Japan? The context makes it very clear that Magolor was referring to Another Dimension. Plus I'm quite sure that at least the second time translates as Another Dimension.
"Then you said the portals to Another Dimension actually brought you forward in time instead of an alternate universe when used in Halcandra."
No, they always take you to the future of Another Dimension, no matter where they are being used.
"Then the second is that the background looks sorta similar in one of the shots, even though you ignore that fact when I compare the portals that Galacta Knight used to the dimensional rift."
There portals that supposedly lead to Another Dimension aren't comparable to a massive area that we know is Magolor's universe.
5. Another Dimension. When they fought the Grand Doomer.
6. You know why I disagree with this.
7. Clearly, I assume that "Magolor going from his universe to Kirby's using a portal, spending a lot of time on Another Dimension, and then needing to use another portal" is no longer a contradiction given his capabilities then.
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2. First off, nitpick on the Grand Doomer proof. Both of the pause screen descriptions say that the fight happened on Popstar.
"Evil Sphere Doomers have come to Planet Popstar from another dimension, drawn by the lost Energy Spheres… This one is huge!"
"The lost Energy Spheres have created dimensional rifts. The Grand Doomer has emerged from one such rift!"
Second off, Another Dimension doesn't have good continuity for whether it was destroyed or not. It gets destroyed in RtDL, is still being destroyed in the Dream Collection, and then is suddenly ok for games such as Kirby Fighters and Planet Robobot. It isn't a one and done thing.
4. For the cases, it's pretty obvious that it's just highlighting that he's from another dimension. Now you do argue that he could have just said "I'm from Halcandra." but that would be kinda specific when he doesn't really need to be. It's like saying you're from the USA. You aren't saying which part of the USA you're from, just givivng a very general idea of where you are from.
"There portals that supposedly lead to Another Dimension aren't comparable to a massive area that we know is Magolor's universe."
First off, the "similarity" that you point out comes from the fight against the Grand Doomer, which is stated to happen in Popstar. Second off, the swirly galaxy thing in Magolor's universe is a much darker shade of purple with a black center while the one in the Grand Doomer fight is mostly a medium purple all around. And yet the portals that look exactly the same for the Galacta Knight fight aren't connected at all. Right.
5. See above.
"Evil Sphere Doomers have come to Planet Popstar from another dimension, drawn by the lost Energy Spheres… This one is huge!"
"The lost Energy Spheres have created dimensional rifts. The Grand Doomer has emerged from one such rift!"
Second off, Another Dimension doesn't have good continuity for whether it was destroyed or not. It gets destroyed in RtDL, is still being destroyed in the Dream Collection, and then is suddenly ok for games such as Kirby Fighters and Planet Robobot. It isn't a one and done thing.
4. For the cases, it's pretty obvious that it's just highlighting that he's from another dimension. Now you do argue that he could have just said "I'm from Halcandra." but that would be kinda specific when he doesn't really need to be. It's like saying you're from the USA. You aren't saying which part of the USA you're from, just givivng a very general idea of where you are from.
"There portals that supposedly lead to Another Dimension aren't comparable to a massive area that we know is Magolor's universe."
First off, the "similarity" that you point out comes from the fight against the Grand Doomer, which is stated to happen in Popstar. Second off, the swirly galaxy thing in Magolor's universe is a much darker shade of purple with a black center while the one in the Grand Doomer fight is mostly a medium purple all around. And yet the portals that look exactly the same for the Galacta Knight fight aren't connected at all. Right.
5. See above.
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Before anything, if Another Dimension is indeed a space tunnel or not... Would this change anything? In this whole thread I was referring to Magolor's universe as, well, "Magolor's universe", but this term was never implemented by anyone; he was never said to live in a universe. So, what if Magolor's home "universe"... Is a space tunnel the size of a universe?; Another Dimension.
2. Yet the background in that fight is the same as the one Another Dimension has. This isn't the first time this is brought up, those pause screen descriptions make no sense, we don't see Sphere Doomers in Popstar or the Grand Doomer emerging from a dimensional rift. Also Kirby & co. flying to what we can at least define as outside of Popstar.
>"is still being destroyed in the Dream Collection" Where does this happen?
>"Kirby Fighters and Planet Robobot" Debatable examples but, in any case, there are two things to keep in mind; Another Dimension appears to be magically fixed after Kirby beats the Sphere Doomers there and collects the Energy Spheres. And that the dimension doesn't have to end up destroyed after collapsing.
4. >"For the cases, it's pretty obvious that it's just highlighting that he's from another dimension" another dimension, yes.
>"First off, the "similarity" that you point out comes from the fight against the Grand Doomer, which is stated to happen in Popstar."
You can see here the similarity too, so no. I already said why that wasn't the case.
>"Second off, the swirly galaxy thing in Magolor's universe is a much darker shade of purple with a black center while the one in the Grand Doomer fight is mostly a medium purple all around." Even if that galaxy-looking things were completely different the strange white lines are far more abundant and they exist in both places.
2. Yet the background in that fight is the same as the one Another Dimension has. This isn't the first time this is brought up, those pause screen descriptions make no sense, we don't see Sphere Doomers in Popstar or the Grand Doomer emerging from a dimensional rift. Also Kirby & co. flying to what we can at least define as outside of Popstar.
>"is still being destroyed in the Dream Collection" Where does this happen?
>"Kirby Fighters and Planet Robobot" Debatable examples but, in any case, there are two things to keep in mind; Another Dimension appears to be magically fixed after Kirby beats the Sphere Doomers there and collects the Energy Spheres. And that the dimension doesn't have to end up destroyed after collapsing.
4. >"For the cases, it's pretty obvious that it's just highlighting that he's from another dimension" another dimension, yes.
>"First off, the "similarity" that you point out comes from the fight against the Grand Doomer, which is stated to happen in Popstar."
You can see here the similarity too, so no. I already said why that wasn't the case.
>"Second off, the swirly galaxy thing in Magolor's universe is a much darker shade of purple with a black center while the one in the Grand Doomer fight is mostly a medium purple all around." Even if that galaxy-looking things were completely different the strange white lines are far more abundant and they exist in both places.
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2. So we are ignoring the pause screen descriptions because the background is the same? By that logic we'd have to ignore a ton of other pause screen and Miiverse statements that have been made in the past because they aren't trustworthy. Though this does bring up a weird dilema. Do you know if anyone has access to the Japanese pause screen descriptions? This condradiction might be an English only problem.
3. I was wrong about the "Another Dimension being destroyed" part in Dream Collection, but it does make an appearence in the race titled Magolor Race EX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHtJkrM2KuI
4. I concede on the backgrounds being similar but you never presented this evidence in the original thread. That evidence would have made your argument much stronger from the outset.
Finally, I'll address the portian at the beginning of your argument.
"Before anything, if Another Dimension is indeed a space tunnel or not... Would this change anything? In this whole thread I was referring to Magolor's universe as, well, "Magolor's universe", but this term was never implemented by anyone; he was never said to live in a universe. So, what if Magolor's "universe"... Is a space tunnel the size of a universe?; Another Dimension." I suppose this wouldn't change a whole lot, but there are two problems that arise if his home dimension is Another Dimension (the space tunnel as you call it).
1. We have no idea how big the space-tunnel actually is. It could be universe sized or not. Then we get back to where we were before.
2. We seem to disagree on whether this space tunnel is what is refered to as "An Extra-dimensional road" and "beyond the space-time continum". If it was the extra-dimensional road that I belive it to be, then the size most likely wouldn't matter as it would be a Low 2-C feat to destroy it anyways. We'd have to clarify that whole point before we could get any leyway on what to do about that.
3. I was wrong about the "Another Dimension being destroyed" part in Dream Collection, but it does make an appearence in the race titled Magolor Race EX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHtJkrM2KuI
4. I concede on the backgrounds being similar but you never presented this evidence in the original thread. That evidence would have made your argument much stronger from the outset.
Finally, I'll address the portian at the beginning of your argument.
"Before anything, if Another Dimension is indeed a space tunnel or not... Would this change anything? In this whole thread I was referring to Magolor's universe as, well, "Magolor's universe", but this term was never implemented by anyone; he was never said to live in a universe. So, what if Magolor's "universe"... Is a space tunnel the size of a universe?; Another Dimension." I suppose this wouldn't change a whole lot, but there are two problems that arise if his home dimension is Another Dimension (the space tunnel as you call it).
1. We have no idea how big the space-tunnel actually is. It could be universe sized or not. Then we get back to where we were before.
2. We seem to disagree on whether this space tunnel is what is refered to as "An Extra-dimensional road" and "beyond the space-time continum". If it was the extra-dimensional road that I belive it to be, then the size most likely wouldn't matter as it would be a Low 2-C feat to destroy it anyways. We'd have to clarify that whole point before we could get any leyway on what to do about that.
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2. I'm pretty sure that the Japanese version says the same, also not only for the background; "we don't see Sphere Doomers in Popstar or the Grand Doomer emerging from a dimensional rift"
3. I may be wrong, but since Magolor built those places then that's his own 4-A feat, not Another Dimension. The previous Race also had stars in the background.
"We have no idea how big the space-tunnel actually is. It could be universe sized or not."
Actually no, we have 2 statements of what I believed was "Magolor's universe" to be a "universe", but it could still be both that and a space tunnel as that seems to fit everything perfectly.
2. I will wait for Azzy in that matter.
3. I may be wrong, but since Magolor built those places then that's his own 4-A feat, not Another Dimension. The previous Race also had stars in the background.
"We have no idea how big the space-tunnel actually is. It could be universe sized or not."
Actually no, we have 2 statements of what I believed was "Magolor's universe" to be a "universe", but it could still be both that and a space tunnel as that seems to fit everything perfectly.
2. I will wait for Azzy in that matter.
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These have been said before…
1) Just like the foregrounds of the AD areas are reminders of the stages the heroes go from, that background is a reminder of the dimension the Grand Doomer came from.
2) The Grand Doomer's presence doesn't make the place appear grayscale and neither does the Greater Doomer's, which means that occurs only in AD.
These are new…
3) If the Lor piece were in AD, the heroes would have no idea where it is.
4) The five Lor pieces are supposed to be on Pop Star.
So, yes, the pause descriptions do make sense.
1) Just like the foregrounds of the AD areas are reminders of the stages the heroes go from, that background is a reminder of the dimension the Grand Doomer came from.
2) The Grand Doomer's presence doesn't make the place appear grayscale and neither does the Greater Doomer's, which means that occurs only in AD.
These are new…
3) If the Lor piece were in AD, the heroes would have no idea where it is.
4) The five Lor pieces are supposed to be on Pop Star.
So, yes, the pause descriptions do make sense.
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That's an Ad Hominem, bud...
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I check up on this thread and see this and honestly the idea popped into my head beforehand although I decided it was too likely to be shot down without thought. So I'm glad Eficiente said it instead as people are MUCH more likely to listen to him than me. But yeah this thread is looking pretty good all we really need now is Azzy'sEficiente said:
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What if AD is Halcandra's dimension? What if it's another one? It doesn't matter, as Magolor's defeat never causes even a small part of a galaxy to collapse.
- "There are stars and nebulae in the background, so they're part of his realm and it's at least multi-solar system-sized."
- "There are mountains in the background, so they're part of the old man's ranch and it's at least island-sized."
- That realm is just as big as the foreground shows, and the shattering crystal-like walls and floor in the cutscene are clearly its boundaries.
Also, the only possibility for the realm to collapse after Magolor's defeat is that he's created it to stop the heroes from following him inside that dimension.
In fact, although with his magic/reality warping he can do something as big as that, with his physical power he can barely block a big sword that can barely destroy boulders (Ultra Sword Demon cutscene).
- "There are stars and nebulae in the background, so they're part of his realm and it's at least multi-solar system-sized."
- "There are mountains in the background, so they're part of the old man's ranch and it's at least island-sized."
- That realm is just as big as the foreground shows, and the shattering crystal-like walls and floor in the cutscene are clearly its boundaries.
Also, the only possibility for the realm to collapse after Magolor's defeat is that he's created it to stop the heroes from following him inside that dimension.
In fact, although with his magic/reality warping he can do something as big as that, with his physical power he can barely block a big sword that can barely destroy boulders (Ultra Sword Demon cutscene).
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Okay, I am really getting tired of you. Your crusade to downgrade this verse into absurd downplay territory is going to go nowhere. If you said star level, or even planet level, I wouldn't make this message and let you continue. But boulder level Ultra Sword? Drop this immediately. First and last warning.
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I mean he's being generous Cal...clearly Kirby is only Tomato level.
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Kirby can be hurt by apples.
Tomatoes can be hurt by apples.
Kirby is small and squishy.
Tomatoes are small and squishy.
By the transitive property, Kirby is not only tomato level, but Kirby is a tomato.
Tomatoes can be hurt by apples.
Kirby is small and squishy.
Tomatoes are small and squishy.
By the transitive property, Kirby is not only tomato level, but Kirby is a tomato.
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^Downgrade plz
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Nah, nah, Kirby can only hurt atoms. Not /even/ apple level.
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Actually, those apples are much bigger and heavier than Earth's; and since he never eats them as food, they must also be much harder.
Well, for the last comment to be a reason to even get mad, their arguments should be fallacious... First, how is the old man's ranch analogy wrong?
Well, for the last comment to be a reason to even get mad, their arguments should be fallacious... First, how is the old man's ranch analogy wrong?
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It's not wrong. If the old man was shown to destroy the ranch, and we know the ranch is big enough to have several mountains, he would be 6-C. Same thing here.Somelatinguy said:
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