Kirby's Cosmology Revision; Potential Downgrade

[Somelatinguy]

- What if there are no cows on the mountains? Also, the background would have also clouds and even the sun at daytime or clouds and even stars at nighttime.

- And what are the shattering crystal-like walls and floor, if not the boundaries of the realm?


Next, if Whispy Woods can't hurt Kirby with their big, heavy and hard apples, then what's the point of them being bosses in story?


Punishing me for saying these would leave everybody without the chance to learn more.

 

[TriforcePower1]

- What you're talking about now is quite different. Magolor made AD collapse, and AD contains those stars. Where else would those stars be exactly?

-"Normal" crystal-like floors?

-Quite sure that bosses scale to Kirby, so he can still somehow damage Kirby. But that's because he's 4-A

 

[Somelatinguy]

- Petitio principii; just like neither the clouds nor sun/stars are part of the ranch, neither the stars nor nebulae are part of the realm just because they're in the background. - Whatever kind of walls and floor it is, they're the boundaries of the realm.

- When has one Kirby villain proven to have as much physical power as magic/reality warping power?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

See, even in the worst case scenario, Void Termina's said to be able to crush stars. And Kirby still tanked a point blank black hole busting wake-up attack from Dark Nebula, which is 4-B.

And every single one of them who have hurt Kirby with physical force, because Kirby has taken hits from said magical/reality warping attack and for the most part, wound up no worse for wear.

 

[Ryukama]

Kirby with explicitly 1/10 of his power tanked a Black Hole that NarutoForums calced as High 4-C.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Seriously, I GOTTA see that calc. It'll really put a smile on my face lol.

 

[The_Everlasting]

>tanked a black hole

Ryu pls.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That reminds me...

 

[Cropfist]

Star level feats are actually fairly consistent in Kirby.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Kirby is like, the most consistent tier 4 verse I can think of.

Off the top of my head, characters with a Tier 4 feat include:

Drawcia, Claycia, Dark Mind, Dark Nebula, Star Dream, King Dedede, Magolor (if this thread goes nowhere), Void Termina, and Necrodeus.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Kirby is like, the most consistent tier 4 verse I can think of.

Are you sure about that?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Let me rephrase that.

Kirby is the verse who has the most characters with tier 4 feats that I can think of.

 

[Js250476]

That makes sense MLP by far has the most consistent usage of a tier 4 feat I've seen tho

Comics have a decent amount of tier 4 characters to

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not gonna fraud tho, I still think Drawcia has something that's 3-C...

 

[Phoenix821]

Do tell

 

[EMagoIorSouI]

Not gonna fraud tho, I still think Drawcia has something that's 3-C...

Drawcia's current feat of warping a large portion of Kirby's galaxy should be 4-A, though do show.

 

[Somelatinguy]

- The background shows a lot of celestial bodies, but what gets destroyed by Dark Nebula is a black hole?

- And it's been clarified in this site why he couldn't have destroyed celestial bodies.

- So, neither a black hole nor celestial bodies; that's just a background and floor color change.


- Neither Marx's, Magolor's nor the Schwarzs' black holes destroy their surroundings… Neither in gameplay nor story do they do so.


- With this, Void Termina being able to crush stars ends up being a hyperbole.


- And the other feats, like Drawcia's, are magic/reality warping ones.


Listening to/reading other peoples' opinions is a wise decision.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

-The thing that looks like a black hole.

-Except it hasn't? The best I could see from your logic is destroying black holes, but even then, doesn't apply to stars. You could say "Pop Star was fine", but we see Kirby fly to an entirely different galaxy, so that point is moot.

-Never said they did.

-How convenient.

-Again, and? All the other characters hurt Kirby with said magic and/or reality warping, and subsequently hurt Kirby with physical force.

 

[Somelatinguy]

1) That's weird; before people here stopped arguing that he destroys celestial bodies, everybody used to see the objects in the background as celestial bodies.

2) That galaxy is seen in the map after he supposedly flies there.


3) The common argument is that they stop destroying their surroundings for there to be a stage.


4) Well, let's scrutinize the rest for now.


5) Oh, that was the idea, sorry; but well, characters use their max power only in attacks that take a long time to charge.

6) For example, in the also Sakurai-directed Kid Icarus: Uprising…

a. The goddess Palutena's Glam Blaster/Sacred Goddess Clobberlaser can obliterate Pit (Chapter 3).

b. However, her regular attacks can be easily withstood by him; and she can be physically defeated by him, by the way (Chapter 20).

c. With his physical power, he's comparable to Magnus (Chapters 18 and 24).

d. And Magnus is barely strong for a human (Chapter 2).

 

[Kirby71]

I have to ask something about dark nebula's research, were the levels's environment previous to dark nebula researched? Also why isn't 4-A if clearly multiple nebulaes were exploded?

 

[Somelatinguy]

a) There are no flying remains after the flash / a) There are no sounds of objects being destroyed / c) Kirby isn't sent flying even an inch / d) He doesn't make any horror expression due to innocent lives being lost / e) All celestial objects including Pop Star are still around after the battle.

Next...

- A character being a high level at corruption or painting supernatural power doesn't make him/her that level at offensive supernatural power.

- Casual offensive supernatural attacks are much weaker than those taking a long time to charge, which no character uses in a normal battle.

For these two reasons, it's not safe to say that a character's high level supernatural power makes his/her opponent that level.

 

[Kirby71]

Dark nebula sent a wave with a sound upon awakening,the wave destroyed every celestial object but remember, this was just by awakening obviously an awakening isn't going to make Kirby to flinch, Kirby is a powerhouse!

Also Kirby didn't make an horror expression because he is too innocent, he is a little child, he basically doesn't understand and fought even worse foes, Kirby isn't going to be terrified.

Also, what if i tell you the Battle took in another galaxy? Obviously Pop star is going to be around, since another galaxy was blown up,not kirby's.

 

[Somelatinguy]

b) The sound emitted when DN awakens is the same one emitted whenever he changes forms, and in that first time, there are no sounds of objects being destroyed.

d) Kirby is naive enough to be framed by Marx and Magolor, but that has nothing to do with him perfectly understanding what Pop Star not having a stable day/night cycle means and what the latter not having his Lor complete means.

- In fact, in his very first adventure, he perfectly understands what Dream Land not having its Sparkling Stars nor food means; and in its second one, he perfectly understands what Dream Land not having its Star Rod means.

e) That galaxy appears in the map and some background after he supposedly flies there; so, the battle occurs near Pop Star.

a) There are no flying remains after the flash / c) He's not sent flying even an inch.

 

[Eficiente]

How many times do I have to tell you to make your own thread? If you keep commenting here I'm going to have to close this thread and continue with this issue in the future.

 

[Somelatinguy]

- I simply had the courtesy to answer Kirby71's questions.

- After I made a thread, you asked "Do you seriously believe that there is any room-sized planet in this verse?" without objecting to the arguments it has for that.

- As for this thread, I showed why the Grand Doomer's pause description does make sense and how Magolor's realm isn't even multi-solar system-sized, so it doesn't matter if AD is Halcandra's dimension.

 

[Eficiente]

Room-sized planet aren't a thing, just because one thing contradicts dozens of others don't mean that you can deliberately decide that everyone should believe in that. Stop your attitude.

 

[Somelatinguy]

1) "One thing"... The three games depicting planets from space, analized in the thread, show planets being big room-sized on the outside. 2) "Dozens of others"... How many games show planets to be planet-sized on the outside, other than Squeak Squad, which wasn't even directed by Sakurai or Kumazaki? 3) Also, Conveniently Close Planet and Bigger on the Inside are things.

4) Extra: This fits perfectly with Warp Stars' top speed being 40.59 Km/h, as seen in Air Ride, which was directed by Sakurai.

5) "Attitude"... I'm not the one with a reply deleted for ad hominem.

 

[JJSliderman]

So, I guess this was closed huh.

 

[Js250476]

Pretty much people got sick of arguing with him about it. it probably could be talked about again without him tho.

 

[JJSliderman]

Makes sense. Only things higher than 4-A are potentially Magolor and a death explosion with wonky camera angles

 

[Kirby71]

This was left abandoned, and i dont think people wants to rethink this, kirby is undoubteyl 4-A.

 

[Eficiente]

This was old extremely old, we have rules against commenting on this threads. Can someone close this?