Kirby vs. Joker (Ren Amamiya)

[Solacis]

Added. This can be closed now.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Nice. Finally.

 

[Schnee_One]

Luke vs Ren next

 

[Galactagod]

Implying he's either making a match between the characters, or he's joking.

Both.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Luke vs Ren next

How does Luke respond to death manipulation on the level of soul, mind, and info?

 

[Schnee_One]

Why would I debate that here?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Sigh, a new challenger approaches.

 

[DarkGrath]

Can this be closed if it's concluded?

 

[Schnee_One]

Not until you make the thread

 

[DatOneWeeb]

That's a complete false equivalence.
The only things that change between gaining new Personas is their stats and their affinities. They may get stronger skills, such as Agi becoming Agilao, but that's literally it. Personas getting stronger is based entirely on their stats. Their affinities that nullify/reflect/absorb attacks, as well as defensive spells such as Tetrakarn and Makarakarn DO NOT change, neither did they ever scale to a Persona's stats or levels in any form.

Hax does not care about tier. What part of this do you not understand? It's the exact same spell that has shown zero indication of ever having limits at any point in the game, working equally well against everything up to Yaldabaoth. There is literally zero evidence to support the idea that these invulnerabilities/reflections/absorptions scale to the strength of their users in any Persona media.

Once again, your Personas canonically get stronger. Them gaining stronger abilities is supporting evidence of this. Just because there aren't stronger levels or Tretrakarn or Makarakarn doesn't mean jack. If Personas gain new abilities, stronger than before, logically this applies to several abilities. Scalling early game hax to late game just doesn't work here. I'm going to repeat myself, their abiltiies get stronger. "Hax does not care about tier." Is false when I've already mentioned what this applies to and what it doesn't. Video game RPGS do this a lot, this isn't just Personas. Otherwise I might as well low tier blades in Xenoblade 2's hax can all scale to top tier blades in the game. No, we don't allow it.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Persona's DO get stronger, however defensive abilities such as that do not get stronger. They don't get better, or weaker. They stay the same. There's no stronger version of Tetra/Makarakarn, Repel/Null/Drain. They stay the same, there's nothing to improve because they stay at the same strength.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

What you just commented, I've already discussed. No reason to say why their abilities canonically wouldn't get stronger either, because you're only looking at it from a gameplay perspective.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can you show proof that these defense abilities can get stronger or weaker?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Persona's DO get stronger, however defensive abilities such as that do not get stronger. They don't get better, or weaker. They stay the same

Source of that? You do know that this is not how it works unless stated, right?

Might as well add 4-D PK attacks for Low 7-B Ness since he can use the same spells as Giygas in early game

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Once again, your Personas canonically get stronger. Them gaining stronger abilities is supporting evidence of this. Just because there aren't stronger levels or Tretrakarn or Makarakarn doesn't mean jack. If Personas gain new abilities, stronger than before, logically this applies to several abilities.

Literally before someone made the changes without a thread, Joker had his mid and late game key stating he had the same abilities but to a stronger scale.

 

[Infiniverse_of_Oblivion]

Maybe another thread is better for this.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Persona's DO get stronger, however defensive abilities such as that do not get stronger. They don't get better, or weaker. They stay the same

Source of that? You do know that this is not how it works unless stated, right?
Might as well add 4-D PK attacks for Low 7-B Ness since he can use the same spells as Giygas in early game

Spells like Counterstrike, Counter, and High Counter are examples of defensive spells that DO get stronger, but they aren't woven into the Persona affinities and resistances. Even still, all it does is increase the percentage, which we've agreed is Game Mechanics. They remain at the same strength.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Once again, your Personas canonically get stronger. Them gaining stronger abilities is supporting evidence of this. Just because there aren't stronger levels or Tretrakarn or Makarakarn doesn't mean jack. If Personas gain new abilities, stronger than before, logically this applies to several abilities.

Literally before someone made the changes without a thread, Joker had his mid and late game key stating he had the same abilities but to a stronger scale.

Yes, referring to his offensive abilities and resistances, not drain/Repel/Null.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Maybe another thread is better for this.

Sure.