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I'll take that as a concession since you didn't respond to my other points
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Kirby revisions: Everything coming full circle
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take something as a concession without the member's consent one more time and im reporting you, freaking tired of this shit
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You not having a response to what I'm saying doesn't mean you just get to call a concession whenever you feel like it
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That's not what I said, I said you didn't respond to the other things I said
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you still have no right to call concession over an ongoing discussion without the actual concession of the person you're arguing with.
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What do you think a concession is
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conceding on your arguments, not being able to reply to any of the points give and losing the argument by default.
By oxford language definition, concession is basically giving in to one's demands.
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Saying "[x] does not refer to [y]" is a negative claim dude. Saying "[x] refers to [y]" is the positive side of it. And either way, I found something really interesting that proves the world itself isn't really made of clay, thanks to this article. According to this interview:
"First, GameSpot asked about the role that clay plays in the game. Kazuhiro Yoshikawa and Teruhiko Suzuki - the game's supervisor and art director, respectively - answered this question and the response was rather surprising. They stated that the clay style is merely surface level and that it's more of a way they wanted the player to perceive the world of Kirby in this iteration."
The response that Yoshikawa and Suzuki specifically gave was:
"We weren't really thinking about Kirby being made out of clay in his own worldview, but rather, we're just using clay to express his softness and his ability to transform. So, you wouldn't actually see him picking up clay from the environment, in the same way that you wouldn't see him dissolve if he happened to fall in water in this game world. This was a very important idea that was defining some of the boundaries for designing the gameplay... We just wanted to find a way to bring some of the expressiveness of that clay animation and that stop motion animation style, not necessarily referencing the actual material. So you won't, for that reason, find Kirby mixing with other bits of clay in the game for various gameplay mechanics."
So yeah, it's not actually a clay world in the literal sense. It's more of a lens of perspective for the player.
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Saying that "clay refers to clay" is not a positive claim
Also, that's just an author statement, which is contradicted by the manual, which is actual source material approved by Nintendo
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Bruh
Author>>>Manual. Author is literally a worker at nintendo, one that's 100% higher ranked than the guy who made the manual too.
Not to mention it contradicts nothing, they are indeed worlds made of clay, just to the player's perspective.
Also author statements have a lot of weight. When you talked about game>author then yes it made sense to an extent. But at this point you're completely discrediting the author and saying that some random manual has more weight than the guy who literally made the game. Bullshit.
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The manual is the source material, and the author doesn't hold more power over his work than the source material does
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Prove that it's the source material. And prove that the manual isn't simply an explanation of visual that doesn't contradict the author statement.
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Death of the Author is about meaning, not lore.
Also it's just the same case as Paper Mario.
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Its published by Nintendo, and you'd need proof that "clay" doesnt refer to "clay"
What "meaning"?
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pUbLiSHeD bY nINtENdO
The author literally works at nintendo and probably took part in making those manuals. He made the game from which the manuals were made and if he didn't make the manuals then someone below him did. Overruled.
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A statement by the creators in an interview about their design philosophy for this takes way more precedence over a manual, especially when it doesn't even contradict it since the manual saying it's "a world of clay" would be a part of them wanting to give the player that perspective.
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That's actually wrong, I never used the 36c translational speed for rotational kinetic energy. I only ever used it for force, which is lifting strength
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is it allowed to use for lifting strength?
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Nothing says otherwise, and even if it isn’t allowed, the Multi-Galactic LS doesn’t use speed at all
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i guess...
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People could have removed those MUs by now if it weren't for that, it's extra work to set others to do that, I don't even feel like evaluating if keeping those specific MUs is correct. If you want to remove those MUs then you can do so youself if you also feel like removing them from non-Kirby profiles.
Your claim is just as counterintuitive as others are portraying it to be. That reality's version of that item has no reason to have any difference, the reality being magical can simply refer to how everything being clay still acts as they things they look like are in the real work, hence the characters can eat clay and that still acts as healing items, or Warp Stars of clay can be made and they're still regular Warp Stars. Maybe that food isn't even made of clay and that's just part of the art of the game, which would avoid us to assume they're eating clay and it works like regular food. But with they not borthering to state that this things hold extra superpowers, it's way too unlikely that they have any. At least their version of Whispy Woods was clarified to have some small differences, but even then he's mostly the same.
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Check the edit. It's the 4-B end that's being redone
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No memes in my thread.
There isn't something in the shape of a planet behind them, it's just space, they fell in something that looks like the rings of a planet (but isn't that) and its shape makes look the space behind as if it was a fraction of a circle. It should only be calc'd what we see was moved, because of the whole universe, only that was moved.
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I know, this is simply the curvature of the background. I'm not saying it's a planet
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Oh well, it's the 4-B end anyway and I think the Tier 3 ends are more accurate to begin with. I haven't even made the edits since the wiki's under maintenance
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Yeah it's a pain, I've a hundred pokemon profiles under revision, a rework of Gardevoir's page, and yet I've to wait
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Bet, I can work on some stuff I wanted to do on the wiki. As for the 4-B end revision, I'll wait on that
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As we know, the faster this is done the least time it slows us down. I'll put a time limit on it if needed to, as it can't remain an issue up in the air and undone while the idea that many MUs need to be kept is still insisted on.
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@CloverDragon03 Could you reply to this comment?
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I’ll say this now since I’m on mobile (I’ll comment directly on the blog once I’m home), but yes, that feat can be used
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