King of Hell vs The Blue Lightning of Vollachia (Roronoa Zoro vs Cecilus Segmund)

[MonkeyOfLife]

Zombie Ryuma doesn't inherit any of the skill of his human body, only the enhanced strength of the corpse. His skills are still, ultimately, taken from the shadow’s owner like any other zombie.

He has the same skill, but not the same skillset.

Because of the shadow of Brook, his swordsmanship when he engaged Zoro was very different from that of before his death.

it would be like zoro using axes or something similar kinda

And the corpse isn't using his full strength

He shows a physical ability that far surpasses that of the owner of the shadow. He showed a glimpse of the power of the undefeated great swordsman!

He also blocked a goken attack implying he's able to do it as well in zombie form

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

He has the same skill, but not the same skillset.

Your quote only proves my point. His swordsmanship is different because he's not actually using the techniques or skills of the original Ryuma. He's using Brook's. All his named techniques are either directly taken or derived from Brooks, down to having the same names.

it would be like zoro using axes or something similar kinda

Not really? Because Ryuma was still using HIS sword. He just doesn't actually have the knowledge the original Ryuma did. This isn't a problem with different weaponry, Zombie Ryuma is fundamentally a different person.

That last quote isn't really relevant. I don't think Zombie Ryuma is literally as strong as alive Ryuma. His techniques are just enhanced by the corpse's superior strength.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not really? Because Ryuma was still using HIS sword. He just doesn't actually have the knowledge the original Ryuma did. This isn't a problem with different weaponry, Zombie Ryuma is fundamentally a different person.

Zoro literally says he has the same mind, clearly talking just to talk because you don't wanna be wrong at this point

Used HIS sword as a fencing weapon (Google what those look like) so yee the comparison still works

Your quote only proves my point. His swordsmanship is different because he's not actually using the techniques or skills of the original Ryuma. He's using Brook's. All his named techniques are either directly taken or derived from Brooks, down to having the same names.

His techniques are different... His skills are not.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Zoro literally says he has the same mind, clearly talking just to talk because you don't wanna be wrong at this point

I'm gonna be completely deadass, I don't know how you can be so confidently wrong here.

Zoro only mentions he has the mind of a warrior. That doesn't mean he was at all the same as what he was in life.

Brook confirms they have the same personality

Ryuma confirms that he and Brook "think alike"

To argue that Ryuma and Zombie Ryuma are similar is frankly, stupid. And fundamentally not how shadows work in any other context in the manga.

His techniques are different... His skill are not.

Dude? what?

Brook literally confirms they use the same style. His techniques are the SAME. the ONLY difference is that Ryuma is better at them due to his naturally stronger body.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

To argue that Ryuma and Zombie Ryuma are similar is frankly, stupid. And fundamentally not how shadows work in any other context in the manga.

well don't care... They are similar

Dude? what?

Brook literally confirms they use the same style. His techniques are the SAME. the ONLY difference is that Ryuma is better at them due to his naturally stronger body.

uses the same style with better skills.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Alright, I actually don't care anymore. You can be stupid with someone else .

Derailment aside, voting for Cecilus for Zab's and Satella's reasons.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Alright, I actually don't care anymore. You can be stupid with someone else .

gg, you lost. you know I'm right

 

[LordGinSama]

You can be stupid with someone else .

This is very uncalled for.

 

[OriginFox]

Voting Zoro he's cooler

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

@Pepsiman25th can you count the votes

 

[Pepsiman25th]

@Pepsiman25th can you count the votes

i gotta do it in a few hours. cant really rn

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Arguments for Zoro and against Cecilus don't seem very convincing especially with the whole nitpicking about Cecilus being able to dodge rain part. Cecilus FRA.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Just read his named chapter, Cecilus my goat fra

 

[Robo432343]

Ceclius FRA

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

We have hit grace already, wheres OP

 

[Pepsiman25th]

We have hit grace already, wheres OP

votes are in

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Grace is over, this can be added

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

@Pepsiman25th grace has been over for a while, when are you goñna add this?

 

[Robo432343]

@Pepsiman25th grace has been over for a while, when are you goñna add this?

why cant you add it

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

why cant you add it

I am lazy
the lag

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

votes are in

mf add this matchup to the profiles

 

[Pepsiman25th]

mf add this matchup to the profiles

I put it in the addition request area, and no one added it yet

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

This is what happens when you are autistic, have ADHD, and too much freetime.

Relatable