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Yeah I said kinda because this isn't an ordinary match. This isn't really a conventional vs match, to begin with since I'm not putting up tiers or abilities. I'm taking all supernatural powers away from them. This is a discussion about not who would win in a fight, but who is the better martial artist. I hear Goku getting the praise that he is the greatest martial artist in all of fiction so I want to see if there is someone who can challenge that title. So yeah that is what this thread is about. Who do you think is the better martial artist? Leave your opinion down below.