Katekyo Hitman Reborn Multipliers

[Xanxussama1010]

Well, like everyone said. KHR multipliers are consistent. But look like we need a bit rearrange like Teon do

Anyway

@Teon Should we include statement about 80% Byakuran and 50% Tsuna to multipliers too? Also, since Enma stomp Tsuna with 1/7 of true power, is that make something like multiply by two first and seven after?

 

[YungManzi]

@GokuBold

I have no idea. I doubt that would be accepted here though.

One thing that might be useable however;

In the future arc, Spanner states that The King Mosca's speed is multiplying.

 

[YungManzi]

@Xaxussama

Unless it's something that's been accepted recently, I don't think we can apply multipliers when they aren't stated. Even though Enma could stomp Tsuna and 3 guardians at 14% of his power.

 

[GokuBold]

Also Byakuran stoping Tsuna's Big Ban Axle with a defensive technique instead of using mere strenght should be take it in to account.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Okay. I'm going to post the multipliers below.

We know the Tsuna's choice arc X-Burner is 176.22 megatons. Byakuran was able to casually stop an attack with the strength of the X-Burner, and said that he hadn't even used 10% of his power. While YungMazi makes a good point about why he is not a particular fan of this multiplier, I believe it to be usable purely because Byakuran did casually halt a 176.22 megaton attack with zero damage. He literally clapped his hands. This results in a ten times multiplier, taking us to 1762.2 megatons, or 1.762.2 gigatons.

Next up, we have Enma. He was able to casually stomp Tsuna and all his guardians at one seventh of his full power. The reason why this multiplier can be used, outside of multiple reliable statements, is literally because the plot of the arc, in part, revolves around such. Tsuna has to save his friend, but must become strong enough to do so. And the two only fight because Enma is drunk on his newfound power, which is blatantly stated to be seven times stronger than when he had initially received his ring. This increase in strength actually applies to all the Shimon rings. So, taking our 1.7622 gigatons times seven gives us 12.3354 gigatons.

Daemon Spade states that he only has access to 10% of his power while in Julie's body. Yamamoto should be weaker than Tsuna and Enma, but not by terribly much. To be safe, we can assume Yamamoto to be the aforementioned 1.7622 gigatons. Which would make Daemon within Mukuro's body 17.622 gigatons.


I don't believe the last arc gave us any multipliers aside from Kawahira stating that his flame output is ten times stronger than Tsuna, granting him an at least 176.22 gigatons for his AP.

This is the chain that I find to work best, using reliable statements. Is there anything that anyone disagrees with?

 

[GokuBold]

I think this may be another multiplier.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Unless there's a specific number, then I don't think it's usable. I appreciate the scan though.

 

[Xanxussama1010]

Well, TBF. I pretty sure that Yamamoto is stronger than 1.7622 gigatons since 4 Varia members can defeat Enma when they combine power. Yamamoto should be at least on same level with them. But since this is safe assumption, so I'm ok with Teon's version here.

 

[GokuBold]

I mean the fact that he chose to remove his vongola gear instead of staying with it, the Vongola gear alone has a multiplier.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

But I don't think we' be able to ascertain a precise multiplier from the scan provided.

 

[YungManzi]

@ Litentric

I agree on that last point.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

@YungMazi

What do you think of the multipliers? Any changes you'd like to suggest?

 

[YungManzi]

@Litentric

I'm iffy on the 10x Byakuran thing, but I agree with everything else. Nice job, I completely forgot about the Daemon 10% statement.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Alright. Thank you.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

If Dragon is alright with these then I think these changes are alright to be implemented. We'd simply have to discuss scaling.

We also have the other changes to make to the verse. Such as the various abilities.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yay! Finally the upgrade gonna be applied!!

 

[GokuBold]

Yaes

 

[GokuBold]

Okay. I'm going to post the multipliers below.
We know the Tsuna's choice arc X-Burner is 176.22 megatons. Byakuran was able to casually stop an attack with the strength of the X-Burner, and said that he hadn't even used 10% of his power. While YungMazi makes a good point about why he is not a particular fan of this multiplier, I believe it to be usable purely because Byakuran did casually halt a 176.22 megaton attack with zero damage. He literally clapped his hands. This results in a ten times multiplier, taking us to 1762.2 megatons, or 1.762.2 gigatons.

Next up, we have Enma. He was able to casually stomp Tsuna and all his guardians at one seventh of his full power. The reason why this multiplier can be used, outside of multiple reliable statements, is literally because the plot of the arc, in part, revolves around such. Tsuna has to save his friend, but must become strong enough to do so. And the two only fight because Enma is drunk on his newfound power, which is blatantly stated to be seven times stronger than when he had initially received his ring. This increase in strength actually applies to all the Shimon rings. So, taking our 1.7622 gigatons times seven gives us 12.3354 gigatons.

Daemon Spade states that he only has access to 10% of his power while in Julie's body. Yamamoto should be weaker than Tsuna and Enma, but not by terribly much. To be safe, we can assume Yamamoto to be the aforementioned 1.7622 gigatons. Which would make Daemon within Mukuro's body 17.622 gigatons.


I don't believe the last arc gave us any multipliers aside from Kawahira stating that his flame output is ten times stronger than Tsuna, granting him an at least 176.22 gigatons for his AP.

This is the chain that I find to work best, using reliable statements. Is there anything that anyone disagrees with?

Hmm now that i think about it, it makes sense, daemon being 17 gigatons and the others being 12 gigatons, he was dominating the battle, but Tsuna took him off his glory with a XX-burner which is atleast twice the damage.

Also we can assume that oath flame being a VG+simon ring combination, would equal to a by 2 multiplier, ending with oath flame having an AP of 24 gigatons with an X-burner.

VG tsuna: 12 gigatons, 24 gigatons with XX-burner

Daemon: 17 gigatons

Oath tsuna: 24 gigatons

 

[Litentric_Teon]

I don't think we can assume such. We know that the XX Burner is higher than Tsuna's standard AP, but we can't assume that the combination of two comparable characters results in double the strength. In particular when Daemon is less than that and he was plenty able to receive their combination attacks.

@YungMazi

We should discuss the additional powers and abilities for the verse.

 

[YungManzi]

@Litentric

Yeah....where should we start.....

I guess the easier ones would be stat amplification, and getting rid of the fire manipulation on their pages.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Yeah. Would you like to discuss through message wall or on a separate post? I don't want to clutter this one now that it's been taken care of. We should probably discuss scaling here later.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yeah, DWF would simply be Energy Manipulation.

 

[HST_Master]

You could make a general revision thread for the rest.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Either way this is a stat only revision. Abilities can be separate.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Alright. I'll make a general revision thread.

 

[Xanxussama1010]

@Teon Isn't XX-Burner officially 2x stronger than X-Burner? Since Tsuna uses both hands to fire instead of one hand. So the amout of power also twice too.

Also, Daemon 10% power is the thing that he compare to himself with his own body. Daemon in Mukuro's body is stronger than that, so it's actually at least 17 gigatons to unknown degree. So it hasn't contradiction if he can survive from XX-Burner.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

@Xanxus

Not necessarily. It's never been stated to be linear like that. Using two hands doesn't automatically equal double the attack potency.

Yeah, Daemon surviving the XX Burner is consistent with him being stronger than Tsuna and Enma, and with Tsuna's strongest moves being stronger than his typical AP.

The ability revision thread is here.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

As far as scaling, I think the changes that should be made are as follows:

High 7-A (1.7622 Gigatons)

Future Arc Byakuran

Future Arc Tsuna

Final Arc Tenth Generation Guardians

Final Arc Varia Members

Shimon Guardians

6-C (12.3354 Gigatons)

Final Arc Enma

Oath Flame Tsuna

Final Arc Xanxus

Final Arc Hibari

Final Arc Rokudo Mukuro

Fon

Mammon

6-C (17.622 Gigatons)

Final Arc/UDWM Tsuna

Bermuda

Adult Reborn

Iemitsu

Jager

Daemon Spade

High 6-C (176.22 Gigatons) Checkerface, Kawahira (Note, he should also have dream manipulation added to his profile)

Of course, many of them will have an "at least" in front of their tier. Are there any disagreements?

 

[AstralKing7]

nope

also wondering should is vongola gear tsuna 6C as well and oath flame tsuna in both arcs


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[Litentric_Teon]

I don't think we have a key for Vongola gear Tsuna. I think it's better and less clutter to just have a key for oath flame Tsuna. They're the same tier.

 

[AstralKing7]

was wonderin cause i think the writer said tsuna was gonna destroy the island on the first page of the chapter when he was trying to kill Daemon before he powered up and also i thought oath flame had a multiplier

 

[Litentric_Teon]

I think Reborn said something about Tsuna trying to destroy the whole island. But the increase in strength is unquantifiable.

No, oath flame doesn't have a solid multiplier.

 

[AstralKing7]

ok

 

[AstralKing7]

i thought it would be consistent with the statement about the island if tsuna was 6C with vongola gear

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Inheritance arc Tsuna in general is 6-C, that being 12 gigatons. But oath flame Tsuna is stronger, so of course he'd still be Island level, just unquantifiably above it.

 

[YungManzi]

No disagreements here.

Just a few thing to clarify on the scaling in the final arc....More-so as an explanation of how far above 17 gigatons the top tiers are.


Daemon stated that he was even stronger with Mukuro's body than he was in his prime. Hibari could injure Daemon Spade with Mukuro's body (Even though Daemon likely wasn't serious at the time).


Tsuna, who is already above 12 gigatons, gets his attacks brushed off by base Iemitsu...then he gets one-shot after Iemitsu flexes his flames a bit. Which is just my way of saying that stronger than 17 gigatons Daemon didn't one-shot 12 gigaton Tsuna, but Iemitsu did.

Then Tsuna could fight on par with Iemitsu and several characters comment that Tsuna has become stronger. Afterwards Tsuna gets two-shot by Jager easily and Reborn makes a remark he has never made in any situation "There is no hope for you to win against Jager".


Afterwards Tsuna gets a powerup in the form of the Oath Flame and immediately one-shots Jager with an X-Burner. Then, Bermuda turns into Adult Bermuda and toys with Tsuna easily dodging his attacks (Even claiming that the battle would be over in ten seconds), Fon even comments that Bermuda is on a completely different level than Jager.

Bermuda is showed to be even stronger than Adult Reborn. Then After Tsuna obtains the Ultimate Dying Will Flame he one-shots Bermuda with a single punch.

Thats all folks.

 

[AstralKing7]

we need to change Tsunas reasoning for his stats also cause it needs to say he one shotted Bermuda not just casually defeated. He literally one shotted the last villain

 

[YungManzi]

@Astral

lol beyond casual, it almost reminded me of Saitama.

 

[AstralKing7]

also is there a multiplier for UDWM so we can use for speed


cause i dont understand how bermuda saying he moves at light speed is a hyperbole

compared to everything else in verse im not surprised of lihgt speed feats

 

[YungManzi]

@Astral

The mangaka for sure intended to have KHR characters be light speed, whether it's Bermudas statement or the black hole stuff, but I don't think that's enough.

It would definitely be accepted if there were laser beams that were stated to be light speed or shown to be reflected off of surfaces or something...but I don't think statements are enough.