Karma Akabane vs Mikey

[semisemisemisemi]

Speed is equalized.
Both are in character but have access their blood lusted states as the fight continues (So Mikey can go DI and Karma has his assassin's blood lust).
Both have 10 seconds grace period. Graduation arc Karma and post Tenjiku arc Mikey are used. Karma has acess to potted plot and PE but no weapons.

For reference:
Karma scales to 7.04 MJ
Mikey scales to 10 MJ

Sigma Male Delinquent: 1 (@semisemisemisemi)
Alpha Male Delinquent: 3(@cloudyagami, Mastrad, Fikrisps)

 

[semisemisemisemi]

Karma wins imo, reasons:
Stronger AP/SS (1.5x), Durability(1.5x) and LS (2.2x).

Karma is more level headed, analytical and intelligent in combat ( Karma has also analyzed all of Class 3-E’s skills and talents through simple observations alone. He knew that Chiba had longest range and sniping accuracy, Hayami had better kinetic vision and balance, Mimura’s producer’s eye for films which translated into excellent reconnaissance in a combat scenario, Terasaka had a rock solid strength that was difficult to break through, Isogai’s leadership skills, Takebayashi’s and Kataoka’s intellect/logistical support, Okano’s flexibility, Kimura’s speed, Nagisa’s hidden talent for assassination etc. Korosensei noted that Karma is an exceptional combat assassin who values the process, bargaining and strategy of fight based combat scenarios. Karma was capable of analyzing Nagisa’s assassination techniques, despite the latter being faster than him and adapting to them in order to knock him out momentarily with a kick. During his encounter with Houjo's group, Karma was shown capable of conducting power level analysis and gauges of his entire platoon just by glancing at them.)

The skill advantage amongst these two isn't that big:
Karma received training from a highly skilled military soldier, Karasuma so he should know Jieitaikakutōjutsu (the martial arts used by Japanese military and Karma knows this as he could copy Karasuma's moves), but he also used Wrestling (pinned down Grip and slam Nagisa to the ground), MMA (Ground and pounded a high schooler in Nagisa's flashback, slammed a delinquent, used knee strikes agains Nagisa and used them again against Terakasaka (when he mocked him after he challenged Asano)), Taekwondo (His Axe Kick), Boxing (used an uppercut against Nagisa), Assassination (no explanation needed).

As for Mikey's paralysis, Karma countered Nagisa's stun clup which also has paralysis inducement. Karma can arguably use the clap stunner since Karma has the tendency to use whatever he has learnt in the past as seen in his fight with Grip where he used Karasuma's defensive technique, of the situation demands he can copy Nagisa's moves too). Any moves that Mikey uses Karma would bypass through power mimicry and photographic memory where he can copy people's techniques and use them on the fly. And Mikey would have to hit and grab Karma to properly disarticulate him, at which point Karma would have plenty of openings to hit him or slam him in the ground.

 

[cloudyagami]

There is an active CRT for Mikey a matchup cant be made for him right now.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dark-impulse-mikey-key-more.141885/

 

[cloudyagami]

The CRT has been added, typing my response now

 

[cloudyagami]

Karma wins imo, reasons:
Stronger AP/SS (1.5x), Durability(1.5x) and LS (2.2x).

Mikey's AP is close to 10megajoules not 4.6. He has accepted wall+ statements.

Karma is more level headed, analytical and intelligent in combat ( Karma has also analyzed all of Class 3-E’s skills and talents through simple observations alone. He knew that Chiba had longest range and sniping accuracy, Hayami had better kinetic vision and balance, Mimura’s producer’s eye for films which translated into excellent reconnaissance in a combat scenario, Terasaka had a rock solid strength that was difficult to break through, Isogai’s leadership skills, Takebayashi’s and Kataoka’s intellect/logistical support, Okano’s flexibility, Kimura’s speed, Nagisa’s hidden talent for assassination etc.

Mikey perfectly predicted the futures of all his friends and the exact jobs/careers they would have based off personalities traits they showed in their limited time together. Karma is around his classmates far more than Mikey is he would be able to gather more information than Mikey would and Mikey did something far harder. People change hobbies as they get older but he still predicted everything perfectly.

He also figured out Takemichi had precognition after throwing 3 kicks with no information given to him.

Korosensei noted that Karma is an exceptional combat assassin who values the process, bargaining and strategy of fight based combat scenarios. Karma was capable of analyzing Nagisa’s assassination techniques, despite the latter being faster than him and adapting to them in order to knock him out momentarily with a kick. During his encounter with Houjo's group, Karma was shown capable of conducting power level analysis and gauges of his entire platoon just by glancing at them.)

This would be useful in this fight because if he underestimates Mikey for an instant he could die, post Tenjiku Mikey is unstable and has many speed, strength hax so he can get stronger by the second

The skill advantage amongst these two isn't that big:

It is though honestly. Mikey has a lifetime of dojo training and lives in one. Karma was raised in a mansion and became a delinquent i think in middle school

Karma received training from a highly skilled military soldier, Karasuma so he should know Jieitaikakutōjutsu (the martial arts used by Japanese military and Karma knows this as he could copy Karasuma's moves), but he also used Wrestling (pinned down Grip and slam Nagisa to the ground), MMA (Ground and pounded a high schooler in Nagisa's flashback, slammed a delinquent, used knee strikes agains Nagisa and used them again against Terakasaka (when he mocked him after he challenged Asano)), Taekwondo (His Axe Kick), Boxing (used an uppercut against Nagisa), Assassination (no explanation needed).

He stilll has to execute these styles remember he only has a limited amount of training in each of these. He's still only a kid, not a grandmaster.

As for Mikey's paralysis, Karma countered Nagisa's stun clup which also has paralysis inducement. Karma can arguably use the clap stunner since Karma has the tendency to use whatever he has learnt in the past as seen in his fight with Grip where he used Karasuma's defensive technique, of the situation demands he can copy Nagisa's moves too).

Mikey's paralysis inducement is pressure point attacks not a clap. Its far more dangerous, its the same ting Yor did to the cow, Mikey also uses disarticulation and can break bones with single hands

Any moves that Mikey uses Karma would bypass through power mimicry and photographic memory where he can copy people's techniques and use them on the fly. And Mikey would have to hit and grab Karma to properly disarticulate him, at which point Karma would have plenty of openings to hit him or slam him in the ground.

Thats now what power Mimicry is, just because he can copy it doesn't mean he can beat him with it. Johan vs Daniel Park is the perfect example of this. Johan copied everything Daniel hit him with but he still lost due to being physically weaker and less experienced. The same would happen to Karma if Karma tries to use a move Mikey has mastered already you think he doesnt know how to perfectly counter that move too?

i vote Mikey.

 

[cloudyagami]

Mikey wins.
Reasons:
1.) 2.96 AP advantage
2.) More skilled and experienced
3.) Hax
4.) Mikey gets stronger as the fight goes on
5.) Karma has limited fights that are pushed to the brink of death like Mikey has.
6.) Social Influence and Fear inducement. Karma may have minor bloodlust but Mikey is the human embodiment of bloodlust

 

[semisemisemisemi]

Mikey's AP is close to 10megajoules not 4.6. He has accepted wall+ statements.

Mikey perfectly predicted the futures of all his friends and the exact jobs/careers they would have based off personalities traits they showed in their limited time together. Karma is around his classmates far more than Mikey is he would be able to gather more information than Mikey would and Mikey did something far harder. People change hobbies as they get older but he still predicted everything perfectly.

He also figured out Takemichi had precognition after throwing 3 kicks with no information given to him.

This would be useful in this fight because if he underestimates Mikey for an instant he could die, post Tenjiku Mikey is unstable and has many speed, strength hax so he can get stronger by the second

It is though honestly. Mikey has a lifetime of dojo training and lives in one. Karma was raised in a mansion and became a delinquent i think in middle school

He stilll has to execute these styles remember he only has a limited amount of training in each of these. He's still only a kid, not a grandmaster.

Mikey's paralysis inducement is pressure point attacks not a clap. Its far more dangerous, its the same ting Yor did to the cow, Mikey also uses disarticulation and can break bones with single hands

Thats now what power Mimicry is, just because he can copy it doesn't mean he can beat him with it. Johan vs Daniel Park is the perfect example of this. Johan copied everything Daniel hit him with but he still lost due to being physically weaker and less experienced. The same would happen to Karma if Karma tries to use a move Mikey has mastered already you think he doesnt know how to perfectly counter that move too?

i vote Mikey

Karma has 7 MJ AP, the difference is only 1.43 not 2.96. Idk how does Mikey scale to 2.96x stronger? One shotting 100% Taiju? I mean, wasn’t Mitsuya able to keep up with 70% stronger despite being weaker than Baji? Again, that’s very iffy to me at least, although I have no doubt that 100% Taiju is clesrly Wall+.

And Karma has faced opponents who were much stronger than him. Karasuma in training (granted it was with weapons), Grip (who could have crushed his skull), Terasaka (who is stronger than him), Asano’s goons (Sports festival, each one of those foreign exchange athletes was stronger than him) and Houjo (who is 3 times stronger than Karasuma). I should let you know that Karma partially paralyzed and momentarily knocked out Houjo, so he can definitely do the same to Mikey if he lands his signature axe kick.


“Mikey perfectly predicted the futures of all his friends and the exact jobs/careers they would have based off personalities traits they showed in their limited time together. Karma is around his classmates far more than Mikey is he would be able to gather more information than Mikey would and Mikey did something far harder. People change hobbies as they get older but he still predicted everything perfectly. He also figured out Takemichi had precognition after throwing 3 kicks with no information given to him.”

Predicting what jobs people would take has no combat application. And Mikey was around his gang and friends far far more than Karma was. Karma only spent one year with them as compared to Mikey who basically spent his entire childhood with his friends, he spent far more time and would thus be more aware of their personalities and how they change over the years. And figuring out Takemich’s precognition is Mikey’s only Fight IQ (yes, a real term) feat.

In contrast, Karma has far better analytical skills. He was able to analyze and copy Karasuma’s defensive technique, Grip the assassin, the talents and techniques of literally all his classmates, to the point where Nagisa had to change the way he fought entirely to even stand a chance, Houjo and all 30 of his wolfpack mercenaries etc.


”It is though honestly. Mikey has a lifetime of dojo training and lives in one. Karma was raised in a mansion and became a delinquent i think in middle school”
That has more to do with experience than skill and the skill difference is not that big. Mikey knows multiple martial arts but was only ever stated to have mastered Karate. In contrast, Karma copied the moves of Karasuma, who was the best soldier in his regiment, i.e. Karasuma should have mastery over Jieitaikakutōjutsu which Karma copiedd effortlessly. And by Karasuma’s own statements, Class 3-E has the potential and skill to become the most dangerous assassins on the planet for their own field, in tankobon extras, Karma was noted to be “combat assassin” (i.e. not an assassin who kills in one blow like Nagisa but partakes in long drawn out fights) whose special skill was “fighting” (h2h combat).

”He stilll has to execute these styles remember he only has a limited amount of training in each of these. He's still only a kid, not a grandmaster.”
Karma executed these styles so well that even an experienced, trained military soldier who was at the top of his regimen was awe struck.

“Mikey's paralysis inducement is pressure point attacks not a clap. Its far more dangerous, its the same ting Yor did to the cow, Mikey also uses disarticulation and can break bones with single hands”

It’s not like Karma’s going to allow Mikey to disarticulate him out right, especially since expert assassin’s have knowledge of the weak-points of the body (which was class E used to defeat the wolf pack mercenaries who were just far stronger than them) so Karma would be highly cautious of those areas and again, he can analyze people’s strengths just by looking at them (like he did with Houjo’s group) so Karma won’t underestimate Mikey either.


“Social Influence and Fear inducement. Karma may have minor bloodlust but Mikey is the human embodiment of bloodlust”

What’s fear inducement going to do? Karma was completely unaffected by Nagisa’s gaze, which also has fear inducement. Social influence won’t work on someone as cynical as Karma as (look at how he bunked Takaoka’s class because he knew he was manipulating them).

“minor bloodulust”? Ah sure, let’s not pretend like these kids weren’t trained in an art to literally kill people, their teacher no less who they were attached to and coming up with ways to kill their teacher was no different to them than washing their face every morning. Karma in particular was willing to go so far as to jump off a cliff just to make a point, near death situations have no affect on him at all.

 

[semisemisemisemi]

But for me, the real thing that Mikey’s going to have a problem with would be the enhanced senses, power mimicry and intelligence.

Remember Mikey’s fight with Izana? Izana only scaled to 928 m/s and Mikey scaled to 1207 m/s to 2250 m/s and yet Izana was going around dodging/blocking most of his attacks and borderline no diffing Mikey in speed, knocking him left and right. Mikey also has enhanced senses but it’s very limited, he can sense the bloodlust and willpower of a person despite weather conditions but that’s how far it gets.

Well, Karma is also an enhanced senses user and his senses are arguably comparable, if not superior to Izana’s. Karma relies on purely observing other people’s techniques and the way they fight to instinctively dodge and parry their attacks, like he did with Grip in that fight scene despite both having equal speed or against Shido’s baseball bat swing. Karma’s sharp senses is what allowed him to grasp Nagisa’s hidden bloodlust (and Nagisa just sligtly poked him with a finger), which he’d be able to do the same with Mikey as well. In his profile, the author noted that Karma is able to leap into action at any moments whenever the situation requires it, he is often the first to notice any oddities occurring around 3-E. Like in Itona’s introduction, Karma was the only one who could tell Itona had supernatural abilities judging by him having not a single watermark or how he knew Terasaka hadn’t done laundry by smelling the faint scent of the detergent from his shirt. His senses are extremely keen.

Nagisa’s enhanced senses are also extraordinary, he dodged an attack from Craig Houjo, who is superior to Karasuma and even called “the divine soldier”, Karasuma even stated that Houjo and his group are the best candidates for defending the forest, which includes himself. Nagisa only scaled to susbonic but was still able to dodge a supersonic+ thanks to his senses, despite it being extremely dark at night. Well, in his fight against Karma, Nagisa struggled to dodge his attacks and Karma was repeatedly pounding him over and over again to the point that he even knocked him out momentarily, which just goes to show how broken Karma’s senses actually are. Not only that, Nagisa also has analytical prediction but still struggled to get past Karma.

I brought up speed to demonstrate the difference enhanced senses, not because I believe one character is faster than the other. Speed is equalised here so it doesn’t really matter but that doesn’t mean the characters would be hitting or dodging each other an equal number of times. I mean seeing just how much Mikey struggled with Izana (an enhanced senses user who was slower than him), he’d struggle to properly hit Karma unless the fight prolongs for long enough.

Keep in mind, Mikey starts of in base but can enter dark impulses which I doubt Karma will allow him to enter. Karma is skilled at seeing people’s bloodlust like he did when Nagisa poked him or when he knew about Houjo’s predator mode and the trigger for it just by looking at him. He’d definitely be able to tell Mikey has a bloodlusted dark impulse stage. Not only that, Karma has power mimicry i.e. he copies the moves of people he has observed in the past when the situation requires it (Like he did with Karasuma), so theoretically he might be able to do that with Nagisa’s clap stunner (again, this is highly debatable), Karma has seen it being used 4 times, and was able to analyze Nagisa’s techniques so well that Nagisa himself had to change his technique in order to defeat him (which he did by wrestling him to the ground).

Anyway. Firstly, it is extremely difficult for Mikey to enter a dark impulsive stage, I mean, the first time he did it in a fight was because Baji died, the second time this happened was because of Draken’s death and a 2 year isolation. He’d really have to be desperate to enter that stage. DI Mikey is also highly unstable, he is very neurotic with high internal torment (as he explained numerous times) and struggles to properly control himself or attack precisely, having nothing on his mind other than to kill, which is described like he’s a monster unleashed. This would make Mikey highly susceptible to being stun clapped (it is a technique designed to stun those who are stronger than you and against people who are too neurotic to properly control and think under the influence of their bloodlust, Mikey definitely meets the criteria), at which point Mikey would definitely suffer an intense shock which would leave too many openings for Karma to attack him and land his axe kick. And he has 2.2x better lifting strength, so Karma would be able to pin him to the ground and immobilize Mikey like he did with Grip. From there he could just ground and pound him.

But Mikey gets stronger as the fight progresses, so his durability and stamina edge will definitely take a toll on Karma and wear him down physically and his AP and experience advantage would definitely do a number on Karma. What counters does Mikey have against his enhanced senses, power mimicry and intellect? Mikey has fought only one enhanced senses user but no power mimicry users or highly intelligent fighters.

 

[cloudyagami]

Karma has 7 MJ AP, the difference is only 1.43 not 2.96. Idk how does Mikey scale to 2.96x stronger? One shotting 100% Taiju? I mean, wasn’t Mitsuya able to keep up with 70% stronger despite being weaker than Baji? Again, that’s very iffy to me at least, although I have no doubt that 100% Taiju is clesrly Wall+.

Where was it confirmed Mitsuya is weaker than Baji? If anything their comparable. The only captain said to be stronger than Baji is Mucho.

And Karma has faced opponents who were much stronger than him. Karasuma in training (granted it was with weapons), Grip (who could have crushed his skull), Terasaka (who is stronger than him), Asano’s goons (Sports festival, each one of those foreign exchange athletes was stronger than him) and Houjo (who is 3 times stronger than Karasuma). I should let you know that Karma partially paralyzed and momentarily knocked out Houjo, so he can definitely do the same to Mikey if he lands his signature axe kick.

Nobody you named is anywhere comparable to Dark impulse Mikey besides Kurasama maybe, and if you think a single axe kick is enough to incapacitate Mikey you heavily underestimating him like you did in the Ayanokoji fight. Karma has never paralyzed anybody don't throw that word around loosely, he stuns people, not paralyzes. Nowhere near the same. Mikey causes actual permanent damage.

“Mikey perfectly predicted the futures of all his friends and the exact jobs/careers they would have based off personalities traits they showed in their limited time together. Karma is around his classmates far more than Mikey is he would be able to gather more information than Mikey would and Mikey did something far harder. People change hobbies as they get older but he still predicted everything perfectly. He also figured out Takemichi had precognition after throwing 3 kicks with no information given to him.”

It has far more validity than what you said. If i spend a year around a class ofcourse i will know alot about them if i paid attention. He wouldnt even know who Mikey is and this is 1 day of fighting. Figuring out precognition in a few kicks is far more impressive than that

Predicting what jobs people would take has no combat application. And Mikey was around his gang and friends far far more than Karma was. Karma only spent one year with them as compared to Mikey who basically spent his entire childhood with his friends, he spent far more time and would thus be more aware of their personalities and how they change over the years. And figuring out Takemich’s precognition is Mikey’s only Fight IQ (yes, a real term) feat.

False. Mikey met half of Toman in middle school and was only around a majority of them at the meetings or fights, meaning once or twice a week. He only met Draken, Baji and Sanzu before middle school not sure where you got this information from but Mikey doesn't even

In contrast, Karma has far better analytical skills. He was able to analyze and copy Karasuma’s defensive technique, Grip the assassin, the talents and techniques of literally all his classmates, to the point where Nagisa had to change the way he fought entirely to even stand a chance, Houjo and all 30 of his wolfpack mercenaries etc.

This wont help him when he literally has a 2.96 AP disadvantage. Him being more analytical means nothing

”It is though honestly. Mikey has a lifetime of dojo training and lives in one. Karma was raised in a mansion and became a delinquent i think in middle school”
That has more to do with experience than skill and the skill difference is not that big. Mikey knows multiple martial arts but was only ever stated to have mastered Karate.
In contrast, Karma copied the moves of Karasuma, who was the best soldier in his regiment, i.e. Karasuma should have mastery over Jieitaikakutōjutsu which Karma copiedd effortlessly. And by Karasuma’s own statements, Class 3-E has the potential and skill to become the most dangerous assassins on the planet for their own field, in tankobon extras, Karma was noted to be “combat assassin” (i.e. not an assassin who kills in one blow like Nagisa but partakes in long drawn out fights) whose special skill was “fighting” (h2h combat).

Mikey uses more Taekwondo than he does karate so this is false. Also nothing you said here is more impressive than mastering an actual combat martial art. All you said here was Karma other people who have martial arts experience. Rigorous training > Copying moves.

”He stilll has to execute these styles remember he only has a limited amount of training in each of these. He's still only a kid, not a grandmaster.”
Karma executed these styles so well that even an experienced, trained military soldier who was at the top of his regimen was awe struck.

This is not a feat lol

“Mikey's paralysis inducement is pressure point attacks not a clap. Its far more dangerous, its the same ting Yor did to the cow, Mikey also uses disarticulation and can break bones with single hands”

It’s not like Karma’s going to allow Mikey to disarticulate him out right, especially since expert assassin’s have knowledge of the weak-points of the body (which was class E used to defeat the wolf pack mercenaries who were just far stronger than them) so Karma would be highly cautious of those areas and again, he can analyze people’s strengths just by looking at them (like he did with Houjo’s group) so Karma won’t underestimate Mikey either.

Him looking at him wont identify all of his abilities he does not have a Dbz Scouter. Mikey breaking his arm or leg can happen at any given moment that Karma attacks and his stamina is nothing at all in comparison to Mikey its like a pond compared to an ocean. I will link the feat proving this.

“Social Influence and Fear inducement. Karma may have minor bloodlust but Mikey is the human embodiment of bloodlust”

What’s fear inducement going to do? Karma was completely unaffected by Nagisa’s gaze, which also has fear inducement. Social influence won’t work on someone as cynical as Karma as (look at how he bunked Takaoka’s class because he knew he was manipulating them).

Karma is literally known for being insecure and scared of Nagisa deep down which is why he stopped talking to him for a while and acts cautious around him. Mikey's fear indicement is 10x more intense. And Takaoka is another bad example. He controls a class, Mikey controls a country.

“minor bloodulust”? Ah sure, let’s not pretend like these kids weren’t trained in an art to literally kill people, their teacher no less who they were attached to and coming up with ways to kill their teacher was no different to them than washing their face every morning. Karma in particular was willing to go so far as to jump off a cliff just to make a point, near death situations have no affect on him at all.

Thats not bloodlust. They were tasked with killing Koro to save their planet NOT because they enjoy violence. Compare this to Sanzu who was cutting off peoples limbs in elementary school and Mikey who tore apart Sanzu's mouth with his bare hands at age 4 and has a literal curse for violence and will kill everyone almost guaranteed in every timeline because of it. Thats what bloodlust is.

 

[cloudyagami]

But for me, the real thing that Mikey’s going to have a problem with would be the enhanced senses, power mimicry and intelligence.

Mikey has enhanced Senses and genius intelligence. They negate each other. Karma is a genius not an extraordinary genius. If this was supressed Mikey he would have a better chance but this is dark impulse Mikey with all of his hax active. Karma has nothing to negate the rage power, Accelerated development or statistics amp and he already is at a disadvantage being physically weaker

Remember Mikey’s fight with Izana? Izana only scaled to 928 m/s and Mikey scaled to 1207 m/s to 2250 m/s and yet Izana was going around dodging/blocking most of his attacks and borderline no diffing Mikey in speed, knocking him left and right. Mikey also has enhanced senses but it’s very limited, he can sense the bloodlust and willpower of a person despite weather conditions but that’s how far it gets.

You left out that this wasn't dark impulse Mikey izana fought at all and Mikey held back significantly because he wanted to save him, then quickly beat him once he got serious.

Well, Karma is also an enhanced senses user and his senses are arguably comparable, if not superior to Izana’s. Karma relies on purely observing other people’s techniques and the way they fight to instinctively dodge and parry their attacks, like he did with Grip in that fight scene despite both having equal speed or against Shido’s baseball bat swing.

Enhanced Senses is not Analytical Prediction. You can have enhanced senses for many things but Karma is does not have analytical prediction. Izana can read people attacks before they even throw them. Karma would need someone to attack to learn new information and dissect it before knowing it.

Karma’s sharp senses is what allowed him to grasp Nagisa’s hidden bloodlust (and Nagisa just sligtly poked him with a finger), which he’d be able to do the same with Mikey as well.

You gotta stop comparing Nagisa to Mikey its like night and day

In his profile, the author noted that Karma is able to leap into action at any moments whenever the situation requires it, he is often the first to notice any oddities occurring around 3-E. Like in Itona’s introduction, Karma was the only one who could tell Itona had supernatural abilities judging by him having not a single watermark or how he knew Terasaka hadn’t done laundry by smelling the faint scent of the detergent from his shirt. His senses are extremely keen.

This is information analysis not enhanced senses. Enhanced Senses would be if Karma could hear classmates whispering conversation from outside of the classroom while behind a wall or something

Nagisa’s enhanced senses are also extraordinary, he dodged an attack from Craig Houjo, who is superior to Karasuma and even called “the divine soldier”, Karasuma even stated that Houjo and his group are the best candidates for defending the forest, which includes himself. Nagisa only scaled to susbonic but was still able to dodge a supersonic+ thanks to his senses, despite it being extremely dark at night.

There is no accepted supersonic+ Assassination Classroom scales for Nagisa. Only Kurasama, and Nasgisa never surpassed him.

Well, in his fight against Karma, Nagisa struggled to dodge his attacks and Karma was repeatedly pounding him over and over again to the point that he even knocked him out momentarily, which just goes to show how broken Karma’s senses actually are. Not only that, Nagisa also has analytical prediction but still struggled to get past Karma.

Nagisa was overwhelmed due to being the weaker less experienced fighter which was noted by multiple classmates and Kurasama.

I brought up speed to demonstrate the difference enhanced senses, not because I believe one character is faster than the other. Speed is equalised here so it doesn’t really matter but that doesn’t mean the characters would be hitting or dodging each other an equal number of times.

You used a made up speed scenario that doesn't have any scales to back it up which doesn't work,

I mean seeing just how much Mikey struggled with Izana (an enhanced senses user who was slower than him), he’d struggle to properly hit Karma unless the fight prolongs for long enough.

You are again leaving out the fact this was not dark impulse Mikey and he held back significantly to try to save him, but quickly beat him once he realized he couldn't.

Keep in mind, Mikey starts of in base but can enter dark impulses which I doubt Karma will allow him to enter.

"allow him to enter" for starters Karma has never met Mikey to know what a dark impulse is, and he doesn't have extrasensory perception, for that to occur. Only Kurasama has it. Secondly the match rules literally state he's fighting dark impulse Mikey so you can't back track to say he's only fighting him suppressed, that proves karma loses.

Karma is skilled at seeing people’s bloodlust like he did when Nagisa poked him or when he knew about Houjo’s predator mode and the trigger for it just by looking at him. He’d definitely be able to tell Mikey has a bloodlusted dark impulse stage.

No he wouldnt. When Kanto Mikey was introduced nobody could read Mikey because of how blank he was for half the fight. Kakucho who would be comparable to someone like Karma in AP hit Mikey multiple times without even getting a reaction making Kakucho think he's punching "a ghost".

Not only that, Karma has power mimicry i.e. he copies the moves of people he has observed in the past when the situation requires it (Like he did with Karasuma), so theoretically he might be able to do that with Nagisa’s clap stunner (again, this is highly debatable), Karma has seen it being used 4 times, and was able to analyze Nagisa’s techniques so well that Nagisa himself had to change his technique in order to defeat him (which he did by wrestling him to the ground).

Again, power mimicry is usueless when you are weaker than your opponent. Karma foes not have duraneg

Anyway. Firstly, it is extremely difficult for Mikey to enter a dark impulsive stage, I mean, the first time he did it in a fight was because Baji died, the second time this happened was because of Draken’s death and a 2 year isolation. He’d really have to be desperate to enter that stage.

No its not lol. He turned it on just from Toman cheering because he was annoyed.

DI Mikey is also highly unstable, he is very neurotic with high internal torment (as he explained numerous times) and struggles to properly control himself or attack precisely, having nothing on his mind other than to kill, which is described like he’s a monster unleashed.

this is also false. He used information analysis in dark impulse mode when he figured out Takemichi's ability. Its only an assumption that Mikey is always unstable

This would make Mikey highly susceptible to being stun clapped (it is a technique designed to stun those who are stronger than you and against people who are too neurotic to properly control and think under the influence of their bloodlust, Mikey definitely meets the criteria), at which point Mikey would definitely suffer an intense shock which would leave too many openings for Karma to attack him and land his axe kick.

Karma's axe kick is weaker than this 80-100% Taiju punch. Even if he lands it im not worried about Mikey tanking it with 0 difficult

And he has 2.2x better lifting strength, so Karma would be able to pin him to the ground and immobilize Mikey like he did with Grip. From there he could just ground and pound him.

Mikey is possibly Class 5. Karma is superhuman

But Mikey gets stronger as the fight progresses, so his durability and stamina edge will definitely take a toll on Karma and wear him down physically and his AP and experience advantage would definitely do a number on Karma.

It would only take a few kicks to put Karma down and every kick would drain his stamina. Even one kick would significantly harm him. You have to think about damage accumulation, and karma has never faced anyone that significantly hurt him and he could keep going.

What counters does Mikey have against his enhanced senses, power mimicry and intellect? Mikey has fought only one enhanced senses user but no power mimicry users or highly intelligent fighters.

Power mimicry is useless against Mikey unless the AP is similar, but in this case its an entire 2.96x gap. Karma hits would be like Kakucho's

 

[cloudyagami]

Kurasama would have been a better more even fight than Karma due to his fighting experience, Superior AP to karma, significantly higher lifting strength, and Kurasama has what karma needed to identify Mikey's dark impulse which is this.

This is the difference between Karma and Mikey. Mikey can possibly fight for hours up to days. Karma has a physical limit thats nowhere near someone like Mikey.



Mikey wins via:

• AP advantage damage accumulation adding that with
• Stamina
• Experience
• Better feats
• Fear inducement and Social Influence
• Hax

 

[mastrad1234]

For me vote to sano manjiro (reason is he has more Attack Potency and Durability than , and he doesn't fear with karma aura, because he has it too)

 

[cloudyagami]

For me vote to sano manjiro (reason is he has more Attack Potency and Durability than , and he doesn't fear with karma aura, because he has it too)

Agreed. I say he puts Karma down in 5-8 kicks if somebody doesnt snap him out of it he will eventually kill Karma

 

[cloudyagami]

So thats 2 votes Mikey

 

[Fikriskps]

Kurasama would have been a better more even fight than Karma due to his fighting experience, Superior AP to karma, significantly higher lifting strength, and Kurasama has what karma needed to identify Mikey's dark impulse which is this.

This is the difference between Karma and Mikey. Mikey can possibly fight for hours up to days. Karma has a physical limit thats nowhere near someone like Mikey.



Mikey wins via:

• AP advantage damage accumulation adding that with
• Stamina
• Experience
• Better feats
• Fear inducement and Social Influence
• Hax

Lol :v

 

[cloudyagami]

Lol :v

Who do you vote?

 

[Fikriskps]

Mikey Impulses

 

[cloudyagami]

Okay 3 votes Mikey 1 Vote Karma

 

[Cimafranca133]

AP for both?

 

[mastrad1234]

wdym?

 

[cloudyagami]

AP for both?

Mikey is close to 10 megajoules, karma is 7.04megajoules

 

[cloudyagami]

wdym?

He's asking the Attack Potency for both characters

 

[Cimafranca133]

This is hand to hand combat so weapons are restricted.

Karma's weapons are standard equipment, so I don't think you can restrict them.

 

[cloudyagami]

Karma's weapons are standard equipment, so I don't think you can restrict them.

His weapons are only effective against korosensei as they are specially made for him

 

[Cimafranca133]

His weapons are only effective against korosensei as they are specially made for him

Where was it implied that his weapons only work on Korosensei

 

[Fikriskps]

Speed eq

 

[cloudyagami]

Where was it implied that his weapons only work on Korosensei

Did you click the link? Literally says it and he demonstrates how the BB guns are shot with "anti-him" pellets. The knives are flimsy too.

 

[mastrad1234]

Btw,karma got 7megajoules by equipment ,if he doesn't has it , he will has only 800killoujoules (scaling from itona,who can frag wood wall)

 

[cloudyagami]

Btw,karma got 7megajoules by equipment ,if he doesn't has it , he will has only 800killoujoules (scaling from itona,who can frag wood wall)

@semisemisemisemi Add Karma has his equipment or this match will be a one shot

 

[mastrad1234]

@semisemisemisemi Add Karma has his equipment or this match will be a one shot

It can't change result ,mikey still one shot

 

[cloudyagami]

It can't change result ,mikey still one shot

No Mikey has to have a 7.5x AP advantage to one shot him. 10 Megajoules is like 1.4-1.5x more

 

[Shoichiro]

Mikey 4.8MJ

 

[semisemisemisemi]

It can't change result ,mikey still one shot

@semisemisemisemi Add Karma has his equipment or this match will be a one shot

alright, I gave access to the potted plant and PE suit to avoid Mikey oneshotting him outright.

 

[cloudyagami]

Bump. Mikey's AP is to 1.86 Megajoules and Karma's is 5.87 Megajoules, my vote still remains the same due to Mikey's skill advantage and abnormal body control, also the significant Lifting Strength advantage guarantees Karma's arm will be broken by Mikey's disarticulation and Karma doesn't have pain tolerance or feats shown to prove he can overcome this.Karma has the AP advantage but Mikey has a high pain tolerance. He has rage power, statistics amplification and reactive which give him speed and AP bump. Karma doesn't have these an answer for this.

 

[cloudyagami]

Bump.

 

[cloudyagami]

Bump