Kamen Riders LS Revision

[Jamesthetaker]

Revision is needed for Heisei Phase 2 lifting strength because my dumbasses keep forgetting about it.

Currently, Kamen Rider Double scale to this feat that put them at 7-B. In the clip, Weather Dopant has created and moved the clouds at once, which have a mass of 1.3229794e+13 kg, or 13229794000 metric tons (Class T).

This will scale for the following Riders:

• Double Riders: Accel, Joker, Cyclone, Skull, and Eternal
• OOO Riders: OOO, Birth (Shintaro Goto), Birth (Akira Date), and Goda
• Fourze Riders: Fourze and Meteor (Scales to OOO)
• Drive Riders: Drive and Mach (Second Key for both), Mashin Chaser (7-B key)

Then there is this calc which puts Ghost, Specter, and Necrom at Class T (1.3897832e+12 kg, or 1389783200 metric tons). They have several riders who scale with them, including:

• Kamen Rider Wizard(Third Key and further)
  • Wizard Riders: Beast, Wiseman (Sou Fueki), Wiseman (Koyomi Fueki), and Sorcerer (Same reasoning as Wizard)
• Kamen Rider Gaim(Scales to Wizard)
  • Gaim Riders: Baron, Ryugen, Zangetsu, and Saver (They all scales to Gaim)

There is a feat that I would like to discuss: Helped destroy the Enigma Machine, which was responsible for the physical merging of two universes and would have survived the process of destroying the worlds.

In short, the Enigma Machine can pull two parallel worlds together, which sounds like Universal lifting strength. However, the worlds of Ex-Aid and Build are confirmed to have different time flow which implies that space-time is also affected. This is supported by the fact that Kamen Rider has always represented the parallel world with an earth-like visual. Therefore, I believe Immeasurable rating would be fitting here.

I have yet to list every character (including the Kaijins) because the Enigma Machine rating needs to be discussed and also because I'm a lazy ass. But I believe this summarizes the most important aspect of lifting strength, so what are your thoughts on this revision?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Agree on everything beside the Enigma Machine, that thing need to be discussed first

 

[MagiSinbad]

absolutely agree

 

[Nicetoderp]

On Enigma part, only Gaim was able to cause the Enigma Hand to stop in it's track, while others did destroyed the Enigma Machines, they didn't really clashed against it per-say.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Agree with Class T and the scaling chain. Immeasurable LS for the Enigma is also fine I guess, only this specific scaling needs to be discussed.

 

[Divini]

gonna wait for the enigma part, agree with the others

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

On Enigma part, only Gaim was able to cause the Enigma Hand to stop in it's track, while others did destroyed the Enigma Machines, they didn't really clashed against it per-say.

That mean only Gaim that scaled to Enigma? Seems make sense then

 

[IxaSaga2]

Big Agreed. When did Gaim stop Enigma in it's track btw? He only attacks it to reveal its hidden position.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Big Agreed. When did Gaim stop Enigma in it's track btw? He only attacks it to reveal its hidden position.

Doesn't quite stop in it's track but make it visibly flinch/knocking it back

 

[IxaSaga2]

Doesn't quite stop in it's track but make it visibly flinch/knocking it back

If I recall, that was when it was dormant right?

 

[Jamesthetaker]

If I recall, that was when it was dormant right?

He stopped Enigma from attacking Sento and Parado.

 

[IxaSaga2]

He stopped Enigma from attacking Sento and Parado.

I recall this part clearly. My concern is that this was before Enigma was activated and before it had any energy output.

 

[BERRIES555]

I agree with everything but the Enigma Scaling should still be looked at

 

[Lonkitt]

All of the LS stuff looks good. Though I’m not sure if the Enigma scaling means we can apply Immeasurable LS to the groups

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well the current conclusion for Enigma LS scaling is that: Only Gaim would scale to it, tho it said that the machine wasn't being powered at that time

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

You should ask the staffs to come here

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump.

 

[Firestorm808]

To clarify, what feats are being used to scale OOO Riders, Fourze Riders, and Drive Riders to the Double Riders. What did the former do to justify scaling to Double's Lifting Strength?

The same question goes for the Ghost Riders.

 

[Lonkitt]

To clarify, what feats are being used to scale OOO Riders, Fourze Riders, and Drive Riders to the Double Riders. What did the former do to justify scaling to Double's Lifting Strength?

The same question goes for the Ghost Riders.

BoS OOO overwhelmed an opponent thet restrained Double

Post-Series OOO and Fourze are comparable to each other as well as fought the same opponent together

Drive and Accel displayed comparability to each other when they teamed up and fought the same opponent

BoS Ghost took on high tier Roidmudes

 

[Firestorm808]

Some of those seem more like AP than Lifting Strength.

If they caught punches or pulled back arms, that seems fine.

 

[Lonkitt]

Some of those seem more like AP than Lifting Strength.

If they caught punches or pulled back arms, that seems fine.

Pretty much both, yeah

 

[Firestorm808]

Alright, just clarify that in their justifications.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Alright, just clarify that in their justifications.

Well, since the justification is the same in the AP section, I thought it was kind of obvious, but I'll take note of this for later revision.

What's your though on Enigma's Immeasurable rating, though?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yes the OP seems fine.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

It seems like most of the current members agree with the LS scaling chain, so I'm going to apply it soon. Speaking of the cloud feat, I might need to redo Weather Dopant's feat due to the new standard. I will leave the Enigma feat there for now.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Late but I agree