Kamen Rider Infinite Speed

[Minaaaa]

As the thread is titled, I will be talking about giving Kamen Rider infinite speed.

First we have to establish that statements from Kamen Rider and Super Sentai have hinted that space is infinite, so this should apply to all the main worlds.

Infinite Speed Argument​

In the series Mahou Sentai Magiranger, A villain named Wyvern is able to physically travel to another Marudeyona World (another dimension) from our universe and a character named Wolzard is able to match and defeat him. This should make Wolzard at least infinite speed. Now, the Gokaigers are able to defeat Wolzard so they should also be infinite speed.

Where does Kamen Rider fit in at?​

This is the part where we get to on why Kamen Rider scales to this. First, we need to establish that the items the Zenkaiger's use, Sentai Gears, use past sentai team's power so they should also be comparable to their feats. Finally, where rider comes in is that the Orihime World from the Zenkaiger and Saber crossover episode was able to match Twokaiser and was eventually defeated by both him and Saber. So this should atleast give the Saber Riders infinite speed.

Thoughts?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I fully agree with you

 

[Sir_Ovens]

You can actually just use Gokaiger for scaling. It is heavily implied that the infinite Sentai worlds in Zenkaiger were made specifically by God, and the Sentai from those worlds are sort of A.R. World versions of Sentai. As such, they don't scale to the original Sentai teams. That's why Twokaizer could travel to Saber's world, it wasn't part of the infinite Sentai worlds created by God.

 

[the_doctor]

Its seem like dimensional travel, is he travel with his travel speed/movement speed? ( Running )
Or even he flight?

 

[Minaaaa]

Its seem like dimensional travel, is he travel with his travel speed/movement speed? ( Running )
Or even he flight?

Scan says " When Titurn is chosen as the guardian of Numa's soul, he awakens to the friendship of Houka and the preciousness of life, and refuses to give his life, but now he relentlessly pursues Titurn, flying around on his giant wings, even to the world of Mardejona." Which implies hes physically flying. Also, Travelion has to travel beyond time and space to reach the Marudeyona Worlds, which means Wyvern has to physically fly outside of the universe and cover an infinite distance to reach them.

Spoiler: Travelion

Scan:
今回の見どころは、マジシャイン自らが運転する最強の機関車メカ、魔法特急トラベリオンエクスプレス。この魔法特急、時空を超えた旅に出られる最新のメカであると同時に、どこか懐かしい機関車デザインで、古くて新しく、カッコいいのなんの！　マジシャイン、マジでかっくい～！！　特撮とＣＧを駆使した映像で登場する、魔法特急トラベリオンエクスプレスをお楽しみに！！
The highlight of this time is the strongest locomotive mechanism that Magishine himself drives, the magical limited express Travelion Express. This magic express is the latest mecha that allows you to travel beyond time and space. "Magic Shine, you're really big!" ! "Look forward to the magical limited express Travelion Express, which will appear in videos that make full use of special effects and CG!" !

 

[the_doctor]

Scan says " When Titurn is chosen as the guardian of Numa's soul, he awakens to the friendship of Houka and the preciousness of life, and refuses to give his life, but now he relentlessly pursues Titurn, flying around on his giant wings, even to the world of Mardejona." Which implies hes physically flying. Also, Travelion has to travel beyond time and space to reach the Marudeyona Worlds, which means Wyvern has to physically fly outside of the universe and cover an infinite distance to reach them.

Spoiler: Travelion

Scan:
今回の見どころは、マジシャイン自らが運転する最強の機関車メカ、魔法特急トラベリオンエクスプレス。この魔法特急、時空を超えた旅に出られる最新のメカであると同時に、どこか懐かしい機関車デザインで、古くて新しく、カッコいいのなんの！　マジシャイン、マジでかっくい～！！　特撮とＣＧを駆使した映像で登場する、魔法特急トラベリオンエクスプレスをお楽しみに！！
The highlight of this time is the strongest locomotive mechanism that Magishine himself drives, the magical limited express Travelion Express. This magic express is the latest mecha that allows you to travel beyond time and space. "Magic Shine, you're really big!" ! "Look forward to the magical limited express Travelion Express, which will appear in videos that make full use of special effects and CG!" !

Ok its enough for infinite even that is immeasurable.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Although, I would like us to establish Super Sentai properly as a verse before we do cross scaling.

Because from what I understand, Super Hero Taisen should upgrade a metric ton of Heisei characters to 2-A/Infinite Speed.

 

[the_doctor]

Although, I would like us to establish Super Sentai properly as a verse before we do cross scaling.

Because from what I understand, Super Hero Taisen should upgrade a metric ton of Heisei characters to 2-A/Infinite Speed.

Also Super sentai Connect with Kamen rider, Aren't they supposed to have same cosmology?

 

[Minaaaa]

Also Super sentai Connect with Kamen rider, Aren't they supposed to have same cosmology?

They exist within the same multiverse

 

[the_doctor]

They exist within the same multiverse

Yeah

 

[Jamesthetaker]

This seems like a pretty huge upgrade for Toei Verse, and I think we should get other staff opinions on this first.

 

[Minaaaa]

bump

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I think we should hold off this CRT until we establish a proper Super Sentai verse.

 

[Minaaaa]

It should be fine until we make a sentai verse page right? Can't we just make a blog explaining the rating for now?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

It should be fine until we make a sentai verse page right? Can't we just make a blog explaining the rating for now?

You don't need a CRT to make a blog for a verse that doesn't exist.

We have a few Sentai pages, we just need a verse page and to expand the number of Super Sentai pages.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

Scan says " When Titurn is chosen as the guardian of Numa's soul, he awakens to the friendship of Houka and the preciousness of life, and refuses to give his life, but now he relentlessly pursues Titurn, flying around on his giant wings, even to the world of Mardejona." Which implies hes physically flying. Also, Travelion has to travel beyond time and space to reach the Marudeyona Worlds, which means Wyvern has to physically fly outside of the universe and cover an infinite distance to reach them.

Spoiler: Travelion

Scan:
今回の見どころは、マジシャイン自らが運転する最強の機関車メカ、魔法特急トラベリオンエクスプレス。この魔法特急、時空を超えた旅に出られる最新のメカであると同時に、どこか懐かしい機関車デザインで、古くて新しく、カッコいいのなんの！　マジシャイン、マジでかっくい～！！　特撮とＣＧを駆使した映像で登場する、魔法特急トラベリオンエクスプレスをお楽しみに！！
The highlight of this time is the strongest locomotive mechanism that Magishine himself drives, the magical limited express Travelion Express. This magic express is the latest mecha that allows you to travel beyond time and space. "Magic Shine, you're really big!" ! "Look forward to the magical limited express Travelion Express, which will appear in videos that make full use of special effects and CG!" !

Travelion uses portals to get between world
Everyone in Magiranger uses portals to get around
We even see the Hades Gods use portals

 

[Minaaaa]

Travelion uses portals to get between world
Everyone in Magiranger uses portals to get around
We even see the Hades Gods use portals

I brought up Travelion to show that you have to go beyond time and space to reach the Marudeyona Worlds. Using different translators of this scan imply hes flying there.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

I brought up Travelion to show that you have to go beyond time and space to reach the Marudeyona Worlds. Using different translators of this scan imply hes flying there.

1) Going "beyond time and space" hasn't meant anything in over a decade
2) We know everyone uses portals to travel and Vancuria followed him no problem
3) He also couldn't even chase the train and had to be told where to go

 

[Minaaaa]

1) Going "beyond time and space" hasn't meant anything in over a decade
2) We know everyone uses portals to travel and Vancuria followed him no problem
3) He also couldn't even chase the train and had to be told where to go

• Going beyond time and space in this context means going outside of the universe
• Bringing up everyone using portals to travel and Wyvern not chasing the train doesn't refute anything as the scan still implies he is physically flying there to get to Titan

 

[Maskofthedragon]

I am getting sick of chewing through brick walls every Kamen Rider thread

Bringing up everyone using portals to travel and Wyvern not chasing the train doesn't refute anything as the scan still implies he is physically flying there to get to Titan

This secondary source implies something that is never seen (and isn't infinite speed to begin with) and is contradicted by him not having the speed to keep up with a train, despite him having every reason to catch up

 

[Minaaaa]

This secondary source implies something that is never seen

When Wyvern caught up to Titan, he was seen flying, given this and the statement that he can fly to the Marudeyona World, one can logically assume he flew there.

and is contradicted by him not having the speed to keep up with a train, despite him having every reason to catch up

This doesn't matter. Him not keeping up with the train isn't a contradiction, he still crossed an infinite distance to reach them. Given all the evidence of:

1. Main universes being infinite in size
2. Needing to go beyond time and space to reach the Marudeyona Worlds
3. Wyvern being stated by an official source to be able to fly there and is shown flying when he does reach them

This should be blatant enough to warrant infinite speed.

Infinite Speed (Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)

 

[Minaaaa]

bump

 

[Minaaaa]

Bump

 

[Sir_Ovens]

We should also adjust the cosmology blog to include that all Toei Tokusatsu universes are infinite.

 

[Minaaaa]

Yeah thats fine

 

[Jamesthetaker]

We should also adjust the cosmology blog to include that all Toei Tokusatsu universes are infinite.

Shouldn't we get a few more staff members to look at this too?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

@Lonkitt @LordGriffin1000 @Maverick_Zero_X

 

[Minaaaa]

bump

 

[Minaaaa]

bump

 

[Sir_Ovens]

OP has asked me to lock this temporarily.