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kamen rider general discussion thread 2

not sure about applying an actual number to his durability. was thinking of just slapping a possibly higher to it

the another ending trilogy is pretty much kuroto's machination. and somewhere along the way it involved emu getting hospitalized that he can't even transform for some time. the summary of the novel also seems to head towards that way. in the last confrontation between emu and kuroto, it had the latter rather deliberately trying to prevent emu from going all hyper muteki on his ass (which he succeeded in). if the disparity wasn't all that big than kuroto would've just fight him like normal. kuroto being the one who ultimately created the gashat (which mean he know its power more than anybody else) is also pretty telling. still got deus ex machinaed by mighty novel x though

we've got kuroto going all his way to deal with hyper muteki in a roundabout way rather than risk fighting him head on, multiple times now. i think that should be pretty solid
 
it's around mach 400. way lower than his mach 3000 from stretching his hand to the moon and slinging it masamune's way
 
so another decade have the ability to use dimension wall to bring other dark rider here and some how another drive slow down can effect speed rider like geiz revive
 
Why is Grand Zi-O getting beat up by these Clone Riders base forms so much?

First Drive.

Now G3/G4, Who is without a doubt the weakest Heisei Rider out of them all.
 
Kamenriderblaze said:
so another decade have the ability to use dimension wall to bring other dark rider here and some how another drive slow down can effect speed rider like geiz revive
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Another Decade >>>> High 4-C , Low 2-C with Reality Warping confimed!!!

Another Drive's slow down ability is called Heavy Acceleratio that same as the roidmude.
 
Jag50 said:
Why is Grand Zi-O getting beat up by these Clone Riders base forms so much?
First Drive.

Now G3/G4, Who is without a doubt the weakest Heisei Rider out of them all.
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Drive get Buff from Oma , and Dark Rider get Buff from Swartz??? LOL Damn!!!
 
NoMoreTalking said:
@Link
I didn't watch it yet, why is Another Decade Low 2-C?
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I just guess he can comparible to Decade, I don't sure for him???, also he can use his dimensional wall teleport Sougo, Geiz and himself to other place.
 
Jag50 said:
Why is Grand Zi-O getting beat up by these Clone Riders base forms so much?

First Drive.

Now G3/G4, Who is without a doubt the weakest Heisei Rider out of them all.
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EoS G3 around 4c because he can tanking overlord attack.

G4 can predict future.
 
@Link

I don't think he can be scaled by that.

@Jag50

I'm pretty sure Grand Zi-O is one of the most powerful Heisei Rider's Final Form, but if he keep using it with no brain like this he would get his ass kicked again and again.

Seriously, he can summons all riders at once, but he summons only 2 Riders to fight against 3 Another Riders in episode 41, and in this week's episode, he doesn't even summon them at all when he fight against a bunch of Dark Riders.

Zi-O's scriptwriting and bad fighting scenes annoying me sometimes.
 
Budget limitation and PIS are the reason for it and let's be honest, Sougo still not mastering the final form and he's still young and naive aside the PIS (PIS are always haunting every tokusatsu show lel)
 
Hmm considering the ap, then Cronus is also 5-A due to him fighting both Muteki and God Maximum.

Hyper Muteki punch him repeatedly, using Critical Finish and Cronus is still alive.

God Maximum didn't punch as much as Muteki does, but can instantly kill Cronus.

So maybe there's a chance that God Maximum is a bit stronger...
 
Hey fellas?

I have a question about Ryuki's tiering. The cast as a whole. Their tiering comes from Zolda's Final Vent, right? Which yielded High 7-C results. More often than not, Final Vents are ridiculously way beyond what the Riders are capable of doing physically or with regular Vents, right?

Unless of course, you count cases such as the 13 Riders Special where Ren survived it or other instances, as proper feats.

My question is, would High 7-C still be legitimate?
 
TheThenAndTheNow said:
Hmm considering the ap, then Cronus is also 5-A due to him fighting both Muteki and God Maximum.
Hyper Muteki punch him repeatedly, using Critical Finish and Cronus is still alive.

God Maximum didn't punch as much as Muteki does, but can instantly kill Cronus.

So maybe there's a chance that God Maximum is a bit stronger...
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that has something more to do with kuroto's own gimmick rather than stats. we knew for a fact that kuroto even before creating his god billion gashat can already bypass ex-aid rider's rider gauge safety protocol. looking back, all of the deaths that happened within the show involved kuroto somewhere along the line (aside from his own death as a bugster with 99 lives), with some cases had kuroto being the murderer himself

comparing the number of hits with hyper muteki is in itself pretty asinine since that's just how kuroto made the gashat. a single hit from hyper muteki would register as multiple hits because that's its basic gimmick. also, unlike kuroto, emu doesn't fully know about the true extent of hyper muteki so he used a finisher on masamune even though he'd still get the job done even without resorting to finisher much like how kuroto did it with only god billion's gimmick

personally doubt that cronus would get a scaling to 5-a because it's pretty consistently showed how superior hyper muteki & god billion are compared to kamen rider chronicle gashat. it's only after masamune developed reset power outta nowhere that he can circumvent emu's hyper muteki. gamedeus cronus is different matter though, he'll most likely got scaled
 
NoMoreTalking said:
By the way, anyone have the speed feat of Ex-Aid series in their base form?
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It's not in Level 1-2, but Kamen Rider Ex-Aid Level 4 Burger Gamer manage to avoid easily Kamen Rider Snipe's Gashacon Magnum shoots.

In official sources is said that the Gashacon Magnum fires light bullets. That means that, Ex-Aid Level 4 Burger Gamer is FTL. Now, Ex-Aid Muteki Gamer can move a lot more faster that Level 4.
 
how in the blaze does that mean snipe's bullet have lightspeed velocity? being a light bullet doesn't make things lightspeed unless that's actually specified and/or the bullet in question showed properties akin to real light
 
Gun Slave Unit said:
how in the blaze does that mean snipe's bullet have lightspeed velocity? being a light bullet doesn't make things lightspeed unless that's actually specified and/or the bullet in question showed properties akin to real light
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  • Hand Gun Eliminator (ÒâÅÒâ│ÒâëÒé¼Òâ│Òé¿Òâ¬ÒâƒÒâìÒâ╝Òé┐Òâ╝ Hando Gan Eriminēt─ü) - The green part of the Magnum that shoots when in Handgun Mode. It can emit light bullets that emit bullets that explode inside of the target. Demonstrates high combat ability in narrow and tight spaces.
 
that doesn't address the issue. it's described as light bullets doesn't mean that those bullets were lightspeed
 
Kamen Rider Xross said:
NoMoreTalking said:
By the way, anyone have the speed feat of Ex-Aid series in their base form?
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It's not in Level 1-2, but Kamen Rider Ex-Aid Level 4 Burger Gamer manage to avoid easily Kamen Rider Snipe's Gashacon Magnum shoots.
In official sources is said that the Gashacon Magnum fires light bullets. That means that, Ex-Aid Level 4 Burger Gamer is FTL. Now, Ex-Aid Muteki Gamer can move a lot more faster that Level 4.
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Light Bullet is not always Light-Speed Bullet

@Xross
 
I wanna use this crossover for scaling from Kyuranger Ep7 started at 14:10


Ex aid Lv 1 can dodge lightning attack from octopus's shocker together with Shishired in a short distance. So, his lv1 speed should be Subsonic+ to Transonic for this case
 
5-A that can be scaling to Gamedeus and get possibly comparible to Graphite who got its virus and almost to overpowered Cronus, Parado Lv99 who fought it alongside Muteki, and Brave Lv 100 who beat Parado lv 99....
 
try not to quote a big block of text as i've said way too many times now. also try to fix your sentence, can't even comprehend what you're trying to say
 
LinkSlayerLvX said:
5-A that can be scaling to Gamedeus and get possibly comparible to Graphite who got its virus and almost to overpowered Cronus, Parado Lv99 who fought it alongside Muteki, and Brave Lv 100 who beat Parado lv 99....
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Brave Level 100 > Gamedeus virus Graphite > Cronus without time stop
 
might not be that simple. level mechanic in ex-aid do makes thing related to power level consistent and easier to gauge, but there are case where the line got slightly blurred. quite practically every ex-aid rider suits have a built in boost system called gain riser that makes them stronger based on their gashat level and their general combat experience. hence why you can have something like genm's level 2 being superior than most other level 2s or snipe level 50 still being a relevant player even though his considerably big level disparity. for what is worth, graphite with gamedeus virus cultivated have transcended the power of level 99 as well. hiiro's victory over him wasn't an easy one either, so it's not as simple as you might think
 
New Rumor for Zi-O

- Decade Neo Complete form will coming with his series Rider Time : Decade

- Another Oma Zi-O.... will appearing as Final Boss in Rider Time : Decade

- Geiz and Woz get their V-cinema and their new final form Future Geiz and Royal Woz
 
Rider time: Decade, the final episode of Zi-O series? At least Geiz finally will get final form, Woz already have Gingafinally so Royal Woz will counted as extra final form just like Kingdom Grease and Cross-Evol.
 
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