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Kakine Teitoku vs Utsuro
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u mean absorbing the planet ? that was his plan, it's not fast but sooner or later DM would permanate everything, he wanted to recreate everything with DM, hell he could even make personal reality, even in his fight with accel he was slowly expanding the networkScrlk666777 said:
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That being his plan but that doesn't mean he could have actually pulled it off.
You are basically going by what Dark Matter might be capable of doing rather than what it has shown to be capable of doing.
Sure, Kakine might be able to aborb the planet with Dark Matter, create the planet and create PR but he has never been shown to be able to do any of this and until he does it's just a possibility not a fact.
You are basically going by what Dark Matter might be capable of doing rather than what it has shown to be capable of doing.
Sure, Kakine might be able to aborb the planet with Dark Matter, create the planet and create PR but he has never been shown to be able to do any of this and until he does it's just a possibility not a fact.
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.... because he was stopped, he is already capable of absorbing matter, that was what he was doing until he got BTFO twice, being stopped during the process does not remove his ability to do it if he is not stopped (if someone is holding me down that does not mean im incapable of getting up if the one stopping me is removed)
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@Malox
Because he was stopped? I've seen it all now. That is the most ridiculous thing you have ever came out with and you've said a lot of ridiculous things. And you follow it up with an even more ridiculous statement.
Kakine hasn't shown to be capable of what you said regardless of whether he was stopped or not. You do not know that if he wasn't stopped that he would have been capable of what you are suggesting or if Kakine's plan would have even worked.
Because he was stopped? I've seen it all now. That is the most ridiculous thing you have ever came out with and you've said a lot of ridiculous things. And you follow it up with an even more ridiculous statement.
Kakine hasn't shown to be capable of what you said regardless of whether he was stopped or not. You do not know that if he wasn't stopped that he would have been capable of what you are suggesting or if Kakine's plan would have even worked.
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Or if Kakine's plan working would kill Utsuro and give him the win
Spoilers, it wouldn't
Spoilers, it wouldn't
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well absorbing the planet would remove his immortality so it would be a stomp
btw the first thing he did when he was released was absorb parts near him and start expanding the network, it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN, he is even compared to cancer in the novel, if left alone it would eat away everything infinitely multiplying (the process is slow but it's exponential as more DM can produce more DM etc)
and again even them just enveloping him in DM and constantly absorbing him would lead to incapacitation and stomp
btw the first thing he did when he was released was absorb parts near him and start expanding the network, it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN, he is even compared to cancer in the novel, if left alone it would eat away everything infinitely multiplying (the process is slow but it's exponential as more DM can produce more DM etc)
and again even them just enveloping him in DM and constantly absorbing him would lead to incapacitation and stomp
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Are you even reading his file?
The dude has Low Godly regen. Immortality isn't needed if Kakine can't kill him
The dude has Low Godly regen. Immortality isn't needed if Kakine can't kill him
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Immortality: Affected by the power of Altana /Ryumyaku, Utsuro is an absolute immortal; unable to die, age, rot, immune to all illnesses, diseases, disorder, poisons, toxins, spells, and will rapidly heal/regenerate from any and all injuries no matter how destructive and be restored to perfect health and condition. He can completely and perfectly heal and regenerate from all wounds, including lost limbs, lost organs, decapitation, even complete incineration and cannot be killed: as shown when he was forced to be executed by Gintoki and had his body burned, he came back to life after being beheaded, and incinerated. He can also concentrate the Altana somewhere on his body, if he loses such part (as an arm for example), he is able to regenerate from that piece.Schnee One said:
altana is the energy from the planet as explained by another user above, do U even read the files ?
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I do read files, do you read posts?Schnee One said:
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No it is not, He can't reform it repeatedly when the planet is destroyed but he has the regen to stay alive anyway.
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No I guess it just isn't worded right
Not like it matters since Kakine can't absorb the planet
Not like it matters since Kakine can't absorb the planet
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again eventually he will, he is just like a cancer, slowly multiplying and absorbing everything around him and expanding the network, for Og personality kakine that's in character as he only cares about expanding himself, for beetle 05 version is not in character as he actually cares about others
btw can u edit it ? or at least explain how it works ? cause at least from what it's written his regen and immortality are strictly related to the planet it's even mentioned as 1 of his weakness
btw can u edit it ? or at least explain how it works ? cause at least from what it's written his regen and immortality are strictly related to the planet it's even mentioned as 1 of his weakness
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It doesn't matter what he may eventually be able to do which you still haven't even provided any good or even half decent arguments that he could.
Can he do it now? No. Has he proven he can do it now? No. So the conclusion is he can't, simple. Stop making what might be possible into facts.
Can he do it now? No. Has he proven he can do it now? No. So the conclusion is he can't, simple. Stop making what might be possible into facts.
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he can do it, it just takes a lot of time,he slowly absorbs/cover everything around him, eventually if left alone the whole planet will becomes DM, that is what he was doing every time, it's just a slow process, and he was always stopped in less than a day (it's like saying a cancer can't kill people since u can remove it before it eats away everything, if left alone it's gonna run its course) he was literally compared to cancer slowing eating away the city
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No, Kakine can't do that because it's never been proven that he can. It does not matter what he planned. It does not matter if he MIGHT be able to do it. The fact is he hasn't. He hasn't even shown he can aborb a city let alone a planet.
So until it's proven he can do what you say, it means he can't. These are the facts that you fail to accept because you are too busy overhyping a character on maybes and possibiles rather than what he has actually been seen.
Your because he was stopped BS or it was what he planned BS or he's like a cancer BS, does not work because none of this proves he is capable.
Actually try to at least come up with either some backup to your claims or a half decent argument.
So until it's proven he can do what you say, it means he can't. These are the facts that you fail to accept because you are too busy overhyping a character on maybes and possibiles rather than what he has actually been seen.
Your because he was stopped BS or it was what he planned BS or he's like a cancer BS, does not work because none of this proves he is capable.
Actually try to at least come up with either some backup to your claims or a half decent argument.
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>overhyping
kakine will always be a loser, his ability however is the real deal, DM in post revival form is a self replicating and absorbing matter, the first thing he did when released was absorb matter around him
"The Dark Matter ate into the objects around him as if flowing back through the electrodes and cables meant to control the device known as Kakine Teitoku. All color turned to white and the electronic devices at the other end of the cables were swallowed up in an instant." "The plain concrete of that underground facility was completely covered in white.
It looked like a spider web.
Or perhaps more like a silkworm cocoon.
It covered every inch of the walls and floor so that the original color could not be seen. The woman in the cheap suit and lab coat was walking across the floor, but it did not feel like concrete. The white ground was undulating unnaturally. Looking up at the ceiling, a number of arch-shaped constructions could be seen strung up from wall to wall or from the ceiling like loosely-hung suspension bridges.
And something existed in the center of the space.
It was not simply in the middle of the two dimensions of the floor. It was in the center of all three dimensions of the room." "As Kakine's Dark Matter had begun to spread explosively and envelop an entire Kihara laboratory, those who took the situation seriously had sealed him up inside." ""As you do, I will be expanding the network. With every piece expanding at the same time, it will expand exponentially."
"Then I just have to destroy it faster than that!!"
If Academy City was viewed as a single body, this was similar to a battle between cancer cells attempting to bring down the functioning of the entire body by infinitely multiplying and elements preserving the health of the body by urging old cells to commit suicide to prevent growing cancerous."
as the network of DM slowly expand and absorb everything as the rate is exponential, and he has infinite stamina sooner or later he will absorb the planet and more if left alone
kakine will always be a loser, his ability however is the real deal, DM in post revival form is a self replicating and absorbing matter, the first thing he did when released was absorb matter around him
"The Dark Matter ate into the objects around him as if flowing back through the electrodes and cables meant to control the device known as Kakine Teitoku. All color turned to white and the electronic devices at the other end of the cables were swallowed up in an instant." "The plain concrete of that underground facility was completely covered in white.
It looked like a spider web.
Or perhaps more like a silkworm cocoon.
It covered every inch of the walls and floor so that the original color could not be seen. The woman in the cheap suit and lab coat was walking across the floor, but it did not feel like concrete. The white ground was undulating unnaturally. Looking up at the ceiling, a number of arch-shaped constructions could be seen strung up from wall to wall or from the ceiling like loosely-hung suspension bridges.
And something existed in the center of the space.
It was not simply in the middle of the two dimensions of the floor. It was in the center of all three dimensions of the room." "As Kakine's Dark Matter had begun to spread explosively and envelop an entire Kihara laboratory, those who took the situation seriously had sealed him up inside." ""As you do, I will be expanding the network. With every piece expanding at the same time, it will expand exponentially."
"Then I just have to destroy it faster than that!!"
If Academy City was viewed as a single body, this was similar to a battle between cancer cells attempting to bring down the functioning of the entire body by infinitely multiplying and elements preserving the health of the body by urging old cells to commit suicide to prevent growing cancerous."
as the network of DM slowly expand and absorb everything as the rate is exponential, and he has infinite stamina sooner or later he will absorb the planet and more if left alone
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This does not prove he can absorb a planet, try again. This again says what he can POSSIBLY do which again is NOT a FACT.
It's not hard to understand the simple definition of what a fact is and what a possibility is. It really isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding it.
It's not hard to understand the simple definition of what a fact is and what a possibility is. It really isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding it.
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coming from the guy that pushed hard for accel to have 4 b rating when he used a non combat applicable shaking of the galaxy, i mean that's an even worse situation as this is based on time, while ur is based on "he can totally use the 4b energy as raw ap "Scrlk666777 said:
really just stop, the only thing stopping kekine was time as he has infinite stamina, exponential growth and range, ur argument is that he hasn't had the time to do it which in this case he has
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Accelerator shaking the Galaxy isn't a possibility, it's a feat that He performed that got him 4B
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yes but is as much combat applicable as gabriel astro in hand, not directly 4 b AP ,but go head bandwagon always winsSchnee One said:
edit: just because accel never finished his plasma ball are we not counting it ? Cause this is the same logic, he was already exponentially expanding and absorbing he was just stopped midway
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@Malox
LMAFO! This is the most funniest thing I have seen.
You have been proven wrong and because you know you are wrong and know you can't provide any actual proof, you decide to try and counter it with an actual fact.
It's a fact he shook the galaxy, this was stated. Everyone except it seems you know this to be a fact. It's a fact it's 4-B AP. You just can't accept this simple fact.
And why are you bringing up Accel anyway? This literally has nothing to do with him, this is about Kakine.
Instead of trying to come up with more BS why don't you actually provide some proper proof which states that Kakine aborbed a planet.
LMAFO! This is the most funniest thing I have seen.
You have been proven wrong and because you know you are wrong and know you can't provide any actual proof, you decide to try and counter it with an actual fact.
It's a fact he shook the galaxy, this was stated. Everyone except it seems you know this to be a fact. It's a fact it's 4-B AP. You just can't accept this simple fact.
And why are you bringing up Accel anyway? This literally has nothing to do with him, this is about Kakine.
Instead of trying to come up with more BS why don't you actually provide some proper proof which states that Kakine aborbed a planet.
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Those quotes did not prove he can absorb a planet. Actually show us quotes of him actually absorbing a planet.
Not what he might have been able to do if he wasn't stopped or what his potential might be, actual proof of him doing it.
Not what he might have been able to do if he wasn't stopped or what his potential might be, actual proof of him doing it.
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No, it does not work. Try again.
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@Malox
My argument is so simple even a two year old could understand it. It's funny how you keep avoiding the fact you still haven't provided any proof of Kakine actually absorbing the planet.
My argument is so simple even a two year old could understand it. It's funny how you keep avoiding the fact you still haven't provided any proof of Kakine actually absorbing the planet.
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More the intention of absorbing/enveloping everything in DM then strictly the planetDemise0 said:
"Kakine Teitoku did not have to worry about when or where that eventuality occurred. He only needed to wait for its arrival no matter how long it took. He did not have to worry about his own consumption. If he merely waited for victory to come his way, his wish would be granted. It was the ultimate wastefulness, the ultimate laziness, and the ultimate desecration. The #2 had gained the ability to extend the idea of 'sitting and waiting' to a level where it threatened to bring humanity to extinction. ""By repeating that simple task over and over again, he would knock down and wash away the human culture that had been built up so carefully. ""How far can my Dark Matter go in this world?" "As you do, I will be expanding the network. With every piece expanding at the same time, it will expand exponentially."
his first 2 priority are 1) kill accel 2) expand the DM network, on the lower priority is experimenting with DM and on the world
"There were tons of things he wanted to try out. There were more items he wished to attempt than there were stars in the sky. But the one issue he had to take care of first overpowered the rest.
That is, had Kakine Teitoku surpassed Accelerator?"
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It doesn't.
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That is still not proving he can absorb the planet. You are basically saying the same things over and over again but the fact still stands that Kakine has never shown he can asorb a planet and you still haven't provided any proof to counteract that fact.
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think this really carefully,if u leave a an half eaten apple alone slowly germs are gonna eat in to it, u don't need to see them actually eating it whole to understand that if left alone they are gonna eat it whole, this is the same, as kekine is self expanding and replicating range increase as he creates/absorbs more matter and speed increase exponentially as more DM is doing the same, the process is slow, but he is fully capable of doing it and was doing it until he was stopped both times
he is no different from germs or virus, he is a self replicating being that can absorb material and transform in his own or create more, this is the exact reason why self replicating nano machine don't need to actually show that they can destroy the planet, people already know cause they are self replicating
he is no different from germs or virus, he is a self replicating being that can absorb material and transform in his own or create more, this is the exact reason why self replicating nano machine don't need to actually show that they can destroy the planet, people already know cause they are self replicating
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I don't need to think about it carefull, I know he can't aborb a planet because he hasn't been shown to be able to. It's as simple as that. It was proven in NT 6 that Kakine's dark matter had faults to it which very may well limit what he can actually do if those faults weren't in place. This is why what you say isn't a fact as well as the fact it's never been shown he can do that.
You literally have no leg to stand on and you can try to argue your point as much as you want to but it won't change my stance on it.
Others might agree with you, although so far no one has, but I don't.
You literally have no leg to stand on and you can try to argue your point as much as you want to but it won't change my stance on it.
Others might agree with you, although so far no one has, but I don't.
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If you have read NT 6 then you should already know his faults.
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