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Kakashi Hatake vs Uryü Ishida

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Kakashi: 4 ( Rocker1189, ShrekAlmighty, Astral King, Shadowbokunohero.)


Uryu: 7 ( Knightofannihilation666, IMadeThis, Champion, Ovy, Unholy, Zack, The Mysterious Man.)


Grace starts now.
 
I'll vote inconclusive.

  • Uryuu can't tag or Harm Kakashi without AT, Period.
  • Kakashi beats Uryuu at h2h, but that's fine as Uyuu's Bread and Butter is Long Range fighting.
  • Problem is, Kakashi has Long Range Options and can close distance easily via Teleportation.
The way I see it, Kakashi only wins if he OHKO's Uryuu. Anything less is GG in Uryuu's favor. The debate should be whether or not Kakashi can OHKO Uryuu. Not Uryuu wins for XY and Z because Uryuu only wins based on what Kakashi does.
 
Uryuu votes don't even ******* count after reading them.

The battle is IC. Uryuu has never used AT the way it's being argued. Sure, Uryuu can reverse damage between two objects whatever they are, but he's only shown to reverse his damage after taking significant damage himself back onto his opponent.

@OP

You said the battle is IC. Uryuu factually has only used AT once and only after taking significan't damage and transfering it to his opponent. He's never used it the the people above are arguing it can be used. While they are right, those are OoC uses of Antithesis. They shouldn't be counted, that's unfair to hold Kakashi to IC battles while his opponent can be argued to use their abilities OoC.

You have to make a decision to count them or not, but note again, he's never shown using it that way. He fought all out with Hashwalth and only used AT after he suffered significant damage. These peoplw, while true, are making up ways for him to use Antithesis that he's never shown and attempting to argue "because it's logical and possible for him to do it, it's ok". Possible or not, it's not him using it like he showed, even on one instance.

Given how Uryu used it in the Manga, any argument for Uryuu via Antithesis should be counted as Inconclusive because again, being In Chatacter, Uryu only used it after fighting for awhile and suffering significan't damage to himself. Meaning for him to win via Antithesis depends on his opponent.
 
While I am trying to stay away from Bleach vs. Naruto threads, I must say that I agree with TheFinalOrder.

This matchup really depends on how Kakashi attacks and goes after Uryu. Even then, it would depend on the kind of damage and how much. Kakashi has a few durability negating moves that could in this one well aimed blow. Then there's the fact that if Uryu uses Anthithesis and doesn't kill or incapcitate Kakashi, the jonin now has a readout on Uryu and knows that he really has to end this with a true killing blow.

However, there are a lot of variables in play here and as such, I cannot say with any confidence who takes it more than the other.

Inconclusive.
 
@Final

Except he did use it the way people are voting for, when he shot Yhwach with the Still Silver Arrow

He shot it at himself and used AT to transfer it Yhwach, that's why the arrow is in reverse.

All Votes for both sides are completely valid
 
Hst master said:
@Final
Except he did use it the way people are voting for, when he shot Yhwach with the Still Silver Arrow

He shot it at himself and used AT to transfer it Yhwach, that's why the arrow is in reverse.

All Votes for both sides are completely valid
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No, he didn't. I've read Bleach.
 
Hst master said:
@Final
Except he did use it the way people are voting for, when he shot Yhwach with the Still Silver Arrow

He shot it at himself and used AT to transfer it Yhwach, that's why the arrow is in reverse.

All Votes for both sides are completely valid
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sry but bold is just your opinion not manga fact

and if bold is the reason for all votes then its not valid
 
You can literally see The Arrow entering in reverse and Uryu having been in front of them

It's Valid.

Unless you're trying to say Uryu shot the arrow backwards which makes no sense.
 
Actually, from the context of the panels Yhwach is looking down at the arrow sticking out of his chest. Also, Ichigo, who is in front of Yhwach, is looking down and to the side. That suggest that Ishida is somewhere behind Yhwach.

There's also the fact that nothing in the panels suggest that Ishida shot himself or stabbed himself. In fact, it suggest otherwise.

So we have an arrowing going through Yhwach's chest and Ishida aiming his bow, pointing at Yhwach...
 
Ichigo is looking behind himself since he's right in front of Yhwach, if Uryu was behind them be wouldn't be looking behind himself, he'd be trying to look past Yhwach.
 
Hst master said:
Ichigo is looking behind himself since he's right in front of Yhwach, if Uryu was behind them be wouldn't be looking behind himself, he'd be trying to look past Yhwach.
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They're up in the air while Ishida is on the ground. It's not that much of a stretch to say that Ichigo has enough of a vantage point to only need to look down and to the side to spot Ishida.

Also, again, Ishida shot that arrow. How else is that arrow going to come out like it did?
 
No one is arguing he didn't shoot it, the argument is how he shot it.

Look at Ichigo. His eyes are trying to look behind and to the side and also Ichigo wasn't in the air, he was on the ground right beside Zangetsu, Uryu was at a lower platform than both him and Yhwach behind Ichigo.
 
Hst master said:
No one is arguing he didn't shoot it, the argument is how he shot it.
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The entire argument is about you claiming Ishida shot himself and then used Antithesis to transfer it to Yhwach.

If we're saying that Ishida shot it at Yhwach, then we're arguing in circles.
 
The argument is HOW he shot it. Did he either A. Shoot it at himself and then AT'd it

or just Shot it directly at Yhwach.
 
Occam's razor. Take the path of less assumptions.

Why whould Ishida do something super complicated, when he can just shoot Yhwach?
 
How is shooting himself complicated? It's a surefire way to have the arrow land without Yhwach potentially dodging or countering.
 
Hst master said:
How is shooting himself complicated? It's a surefire way to have the arrow land without Yhwach potentially dodging or countering.
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1. Nothing is shown that indicates that Yhwach knew that Ishida was there. In fact, there's more evidence that he didn't know.

2. If Antithesis works like you said it does, why wouldn't Ishida just take the arrow and stab himself then reverse the act onto Yhwach? That is far surer and simpler than shooting Yhwach or trying to shoot himself. It would leave no time to dodge or counter given that Yhwach didn't even know he was there and time was of esscence.

You're coming up with more and more reasons for why Ishida had to use the Antithesis to get at Yhwach. If you keep having to making more and more reasons to explain why something happened the way it did, the less likely it is.

Method 1: Shoot unaware Yhwach in the back. (1 Step)

Method 2: Stab PIS arrow into self then use Antithesis on Yhwach. (2 Steps)

Method 3: Shoot out arrow, make it come back towards himself, let it hit him, then use Antithesis on Yhwach. (4 Steps)
 
1. And to keep it that way he uses the Antithesis instead of leaving things to chance

2. Antithesis can reverse the events between two targets meaning it is more than possible for him to do this.

I'm litteraly been staying with the same way reason. Which is him being in front of Yhwach and didn't want to potentially miss. That's the only reason.

Method 1 isn't possible because he wasn't behind Yhwach in the 1st place

Method 2 isn't possible because he has his bow out

Method 3 isn't possible because he can't control his arrows once launched

He summoned his bow in reverse, shot himself and used Antithesis
 
TheFinalOrder said:
I'll vote inconclusive.
  • Uryuu can't tag or Harm Kakashi without AT, Period.
  • Kakashi beats Uryuu at h2h, but that's fine as Uyuu's Bread and Butter is Long Range fighting.
  • Problem is, Kakashi has Long Range Options and can close distance easily via Teleportation.
The way I see it, Kakashi only wins if he OHKO's Uryuu. Anything less is GG in Uryuu's favor. The debate should be whether or not Kakashi can OHKO Uryuu. Not Uryuu wins for XY and Z because Uryuu only wins based on what Kakashi does.
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kakashi taijutsu is weaker than tsunade how does he beat Ishida when bleach scales with reiatsu naruto does not scale via charkra for taijutsu, genjutsu if that were so everyone stronger than itachi would be betterthan him in genjutsu and everyone higher charkra than raikage and tsunade would be stronger than them too which we know aint true as hashirama and madara are both weaker than tsunade in taijutsu. ishida scales to even someone like Grimmjow who craps on kakashi and tsunade in H2h
 
@Dbknowitall

For starters, Kakashi > Tsunade in Taijutsu. Even Kabuto beat Tsunade in Taijutsu. And note, Taijutsu =/= Physical AP/Durability. That's your misconception.

Tatsuki is a better martial artist than Uryu even. Uryu is just physically stronger.
 
@DB

Tsunade's taijutsu is pretty lackluster,she's physically stronger but Kakashi can actually use skill, she just throws punches compared to him.

And Uryu rarely fights hand-to-hand the only melee weapon he has is Seele Schneider and even then it's actually an arrow and a catalyst for Sprenger.
 
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