Theresia vs the copy ninja

[SatellaTheWoE]

Theresia Van Astrea
vs
Kakashi Hatake
both are tier 7B,
kakashi is in his sharingan key and mangekyo is restricted
speed is equalized
SBA

 

[Fezzih_007]

Man, i din't believe you would do a battle like that.
I trought in doing, but they moveset are not really comparable to do a great match.

So Kakashi is 53.15 megatons and Theresia is 18.93 megatons
Gonna do a little thinking before i make my assertment.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Man, i din't believe you would do a battle like that.
I trought in doing, but they moveset are not really comparable to do a great match.

So Kakashi is 53.15 tons and Theresia is 18.93 tons
Gonna do a little thinking before i make my assertment.

this is their 7B key....

 

[Fezzih_007]

this is their 7B key....

Yeah i know, i just spare my hands of writing Mega.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yeah i know, i just spare my hands of writing Mega.

ah ok alright
btw shouldnt Theresia scale to Cecilus too which would her give 23.5 Megatons which is way closer?

 

[Fezzih_007]

City level+ characters such as Kakashi Hatake and Might Guy scale to 53.15 megatons via downscaling from Kisame Hoshigaki.

City level (Comparable to Peak Wilhelm)

Willhelm is 18 megatons via this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._First/Re_Zero_Cloud_Feat_Sword_Demon_Edition

ah ok alright
btw shouldnt Theresia scale to Cecilus too which would her give 23.5 Megatons which is way closer?

I don't think so, Cecilus negs theresia via statements

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Willhelm is 18 megatons via this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._First/Re_Zero_Cloud_Feat_Sword_Demon_Edition

I don't think so, Cecilus negs theresia via statements

true but its specifically stated that thats due to her inexperience in combat against comparable opponents, not due to an AP difference

Anyways lets continue this discussion in a re zero thread

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, i gonna do the rundown of the match by myself.

 

[Fezzih_007]

So Theresia Wincons is she comes in close combat, and defeats Kakashi using her swordskill.
Kakashi wincons is like, everthing else you can imagine Kakashi can do.

They start 4km, and both of them have Kilometers range attacks. Not sure what are Kakashi range attacks, so i skip this for now.
Anyway, first wincon for Kakashi. Because is SBA, they are in new york, and Kakashi can just steath mastery, and kill Theresia before she noticed. Kakashi can sneak up on people that can notice presences, so he have chances here to do so.
If she noticed Kakashi and block his attacks, they would fight in close combat. Kakashi have 3x ap advantage, so he have a advantage in this regard. He also way more versatile.
He can spams clones to gang up on Theresia, he can use his paralysis jutsu to land hits on Theresia, he can use his Sharigan to cast her in a Genjustu (The more likely scenario), he can take her sword out of her hands due to Lifting Strengt difference, he can summon his dogs to pin her down, he can One-Shot with Raikiri, he can use his Substituation jutsu to avoid all Theresia attacks, he can use his Sharigan to predict all Theresia moves and her resistance not gonna help at all due to being way inferior to Sharigan, he can use his Earth jutsu to either create walls to block attacks or to pin Theresia on the ground, he can use his lighting techineques to cause paralysis demage.

Honestly, this is probally a stomp, if Theresia only wincon is maybe outskilling Kakashi, but he not only have ways to avoid that complety, he also very skilled in close combat.

 

[Robo432343]

Honestly, this is probally a stomp, if Theresia only wincon is maybe outskilling Kakashi, but he not only have ways to avoid that complety, he also very skilled in close combat.

I thought kakashi was more skilled

 

[Fezzih_007]

I thought kakashi was more skilled

I can't say because his Iteligence section sucks.
But like, he also can copy Theresia movements so lol

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Anyway, first wincon for Kakashi. Because is SBA, they are in new york, and Kakashi can just steath mastery, and kill Theresia before she noticed. Kakashi can sneak up on people that can notice presences, so he have chances here to do so.

Theresia can detect and block him via IA, also she can sense his hostilty

If she noticed Kakashi and block his attacks, they would fight in close combat. Kakashi have 3x ap advantage, so he have a advantage in this regard. He also way more versatile.

true but she has attack reflection and damage reduction so the AP difference will be negligible

He can spams clones to gang up on Theresia,

those arent real shadow clones, they are just the visual ones

he can use his paralysis jutsu to land hits on Theresia, he can use his Sharigan to cast her in a Genjustu (The more likely scenario),

makes sense

he can take her sword out of her hands due to Lifting Strengt difference,

seems extremely unlikely for him to do so

he can summon his dogs to pin her down,

he has only ever done that against like 2 characters in very extreme situations

he can One-Shot with Raikiri, he can use his Substituation jutsu to avoid all Theresia attacks,

Theresia is more skilled so i doubt she would let those 2 happen

he can use his Sharigan to predict all Theresia moves and her resistance not gonna help at all due to being way inferior to Sharigan,

Theresia's Info analysis and war gods blessing are broken though. she will automatically know the best move and that will hard counter Kakashis sharingan.

he can use his Earth jutsu to either create walls to block attacks or to pin Theresia on the ground, he can use his lighting techineques to cause paralysis demage.

Honestly, this is probally a stomp, if Theresia only wincon is maybe outskilling Kakashi, but he not only have ways to avoid that complety, he also very skilled in close combat.

Kakashi is skilled in cqc but he is nowhere close enought to overwhelm her tbh, however the other wincons probably are still gonna make it so that she loses

 

[Fezzih_007]

Theresia can detect and block him via IA, also she can sense his hostilty

Anyway, first wincon for Kakashi. Because is SBA, they are in new york, and Kakashi can just steath mastery, and kill Theresia before she noticed. Kakashi can sneak up on people that can notice presences, so he have chances here to do so.

true but she has attack reflection and damage reduction so the AP difference will be negligible

Only is she does all the time, which gonna be hard, since she don't even have showing on doing any of that, and don't have showing on doing in fast paced fight.

those arent real shadow clones, they are just the visual ones

True, but he can still perform a number of this clones. He just don't have Chakra on the moment, so he need to use this visuals ones.

seems extremely unlikely for him to do so

Not really. Disarm a enemy is very In-Character for someone like Kakashi.

he has only ever done that against like 2 characters in very extreme situations

So? He can still use.

Theresia is more skilled so i doubt she would let those 2 happen

Even she is more skilled, which is a little doubtfull, is not even by a lot, he could peform that still.

Theresia's Info analysis and war gods blessing are broken though. she will automatically know the best move and that will hard counter Kakashis sharingan.

Sharigan is also broken, which allow him to copy her skill and do the same.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Only is she does all the time, which gonna be hard, since she don't even have showing on doing any of that, and don't have showing on doing in fast paced fight.

Thats mainly because she never had any reason to use that however her blessing will automatically tell her to do so against Kakashi so its not a problem

True, but he can still perform a number of this clones. He just don't have Chakra on the moment, so he need to use this visuals ones.

the visual ones cant actually do anything aside from look intimidating btw

Not really. Disarm a enemy is very In-Character for someone like Kakashi.

fair, but its still not his first move

Even she is more skilled, which is a little doubtfull, is not even by a lot, he could peform that still.

did you forget that she basically has an auto aim assist with criticial hit + "i know every single one of your move peasant" type blessing.

Sharigan is also broken, which allow him to copy her skill and do the same.

Elsa can counter anything she sees once and garfiel is easily able to counter that so i doubt somebody on Theresia's level would have any trouble of dishing out new fighting styles on the fly

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

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[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

what prevents kakashi from doing his trademark copy ninja (tm) tactics

also what's theresia's go-to thing and general ability here

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

what prevents kakashi from doing his trademark copy ninja (tm) tactics

Because Theresias hits are basically followings threads that will absolutely kill her opponents, Kakashi wouldn't be skilled enough to stop himself from dying and even if he survives once and manages to copy one of her strikes, she will just get better and find an even greater strike to counter it in their next exchange

also what's theresia's go-to thing and general ability here

She usually closes the distances and slices her opponents to pieces by following lines in her vision that are guranteed to kill her oppoennts.


Her skill feats are
1. Her skill level is extremely high in every weapon/martial art method there is to the point where she can find an innumerable of weaknesses in even the greatest swordsmaster, martial artists, axe user etc of all time. And this is a major feat because a lot of characters under her are extremely skilled and they aren't even considered in the same realm as her. For eg, Garfiel, Ram, Julius, Elsa and debatably Ley too
2. Multiple lifetime of training wouldn't get you to her level
3. She will grow even more skilled during batlle as she still has potential for growth as Wilhelm mentioned that she drew her most perfect swing against Reinhard simply because he was a challenge to him and this was after she was nerfed and became a zombie
(There are more but i am too tired rn to list them so you can check out the flow method page to find more feats)

 

[Zabazab]

Has Theresia's most dangerous aspect been mentioned yet? The Blessing she received at birth is The Divine Blessing of the Death God, which will allow her to get around the AP difference. This Blessing completely nullifies any natural or supernatural healing (up to Low-High), causing minor wounds to result in rapid fatal blood loss. (Also, she does in fact scale to Cecilus, he, she, Wil, and Kurgan are all relative)

 

[Fezzih_007]

Because Theresias hits are basically followings threads that will absolutely kill her opponents,

You say this like there's a hax on the thing, like Death Manipulation or something, instead of that being just a improved opening thread from KY. And can be countered anyway, via

Kakashi wouldn't be skilled enough to stop himself from dying

Sharigan analytical prediction trought.
And his substution jutsu too.

and even if he survives once and manages to copy one of her strikes,

He not gonna copy one of her strikes, she gonna copy all of them.

she will just get better and find an even greater strike to counter it in their next exchange

I don't see what stopping Kakashi from copying her again.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Has Theresia's most dangerous aspect been mentioned yet?

I din't think that gonna do much, due to Kakashi absurd stamina, and his ways to avoid getting hit, so i din't mention.
Kakashi don't have any healing powers, so what really matters is How skilled she is.
It could be a little usefull, but Kakashi would use Genjutsu If he start to lose because of his wounds.

 

[Zabazab]

I din't think that gonna do much, due to Kakashi absurd stamina. Kakashi don't have any healing powers, so what really matters is How skilled she is.

Theresia's Blessing of the Death God isn't just deadly for regenerators, it's deadly to all. Anyone cut by her, even a tiny minor wound, will bleed to death in a few minutes without treatment. Kakashi's stamina doesn't mention bleeding out either, only broken bones/arms & dealing with torture.

A wound inflicted by the Divine Protection of Death God, would never disappear.

It was a Divine Protection apart from the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint, that had been bestowed upon Theresia by the Sword God, in order to bring cease to those days of war.

A single slit could generate a river of blood, a few slashes could pile up a mountain of corpses.

Henceforth, there lay no necessity of superficial cleverness and artfulness for her, in order to sever the thread of life.
Indeed, the only way of defeating Theresia, was through swordsmanship superior to that of hers.

――Theresia was aware that she had been born with the Divine Protection of the Death God.

The wounds she would inflict onto others would ceaselessly bleed, incapable of healing.

Upon realizing her forte lay in taking the lives of others, what took birth within a young Theresia, was the dread of what could result from her very palms.

Something like sword training was perfect for augmenting her horror.

Be it simply practice or training, Theresia’s Divine Protection, over which she had no control, would pay no regard to the situation. Even if the wound she may inflict were to be as meager as a scratch, the fact that it would not heal made it no trivial affair.

Especially considering that a wound which may accidentally get inflicted during sword practice could prove to be deadly.

All of their trajectories, she could sense them. She could read them. On her skin, she could feel them.

Dodging them, Theresia followed a mysterious ray she could see, with her sword.

Unknowing of when they appeared, mysterious white rays levitated across the air. What was further mysterious, was that her instincts knew all she had to do was to trace those rays with her sword.

Tracing, tracing, her sword glided over the white rays.

Her sword glissaded like wind, slashing the bodies of the demi-humans atop the rays from next to the next.

Severing their limbs, decapitating their heads, stabbing their abdomens, reaping their lives.

The Divine Protection of the Sword Saint, the Divine Protection of the Death God, detonated upon the opportunity attained at long last.

Upon losing the wrist, that wound shan’t close.

Upon impaling the abdomen, the bleeding shan’t cease.

Even the shallowest of wounds, their pain shall eat away and corrode for eternity.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So basicalky Theresia just needs to give a minor cut to kakashi and then hold out for a couple of minutes and he will die, this is also not considering the fact that she outskills him and would probably abuse any weaknesses he shows while trying to attack him as he grows weaker and weaker

 

[Fezzih_007]

Theresia's Blessing of the Death God isn't just deadly for regenerators, it's deadly to all.

I said the thing about Kakashi not having any healing ability, because he don't have any way to counter Theresia Blessing If he gets hit. So the only things It matters is Theresia hitting him.

Anyone cut by her, even a tiny minor wound, will bleed to death in a few minutes without treatment.

Do you have any proof of that? Because, Kakashi can definitely last more than a few minutes, and have good enough stamina to fight while bleeding out, but you saying her blessing ignores that, and Kakashi would die of blood loss, like he have normal stamina.

Kakashi's stamina doesn't mention bleeding out either, only broken bones/arms & dealing with torture.

So? Zabuza cuts him right trought his chest, and Kakashi as still able to fight, and Win against him. Also, during the fight with pain, after getting beat up hard, he only dies after Chakra exhaustion from Kamui. And he did get stabbed in that fight.

So he definitely can deal with blood wounds.

So basicalky Theresia just needs to give a minor cut to kakashi and then hold out for a couple of minutes and he will die,

That is not so likely to happen, because Kakashi would use his Sharigan to cast her in a Genjutsu If he his dying.

this is also not considering the fact that she outskills

Sharigan copying skill goes brrrrr. Not that It matters, since Theresia can't do much against his versality.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

So basicalky Theresia just needs to give a minor cut to kakashi and then hold out for a couple of minutes and he will die, this is also not considering the fact that she outskills him and would probably abuse any weaknesses he shows while trying to attack him as he grows weaker and weaker

Yeah this could pose a problem without prior knowledge.

We've seen him fight similar foes that only need a scratch to win, but that even that required a lot of prep time.

 

[Fezzih_007]

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Said that, Theresia blessing could actually work to give her a Win, but she would need to do more than one cut on Kakashi me think.

 

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