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Kaguya vs Darth Sidious

That's still more people than Kaguya, and with his range, he can theoretically make his telepathy spread over everyone in the galaxy, or at the very least two planets. Dooku was also able to sense his power across the galaxy through a mere hologram.
 
No, because TP'ing more people should mean his telepathy is stronger, especially considering how powerful telepathy is in the Star Wars universe.
 
Having greater TP would allow you to take control of your opponent's mind, and TP'ing trillions of people >>>> TP'ing billions.
 
Stronger TP always wins in Star Wars, and TP defense has a limit.

Also, Marvel is extremely inconsistent, don't use it as a reference.
 
Still, Sidious' TP >>>> Kaguya's TP, so Sidious should be able to mind control her.

I don't even know why I'm debating this, everyone else agrees Sidious wins.
 
Its a 3-5 or 6 vote. One person was really vague. Beisdes its a discussion/debate over who wins and we're arguing over who wins. Thats the point of this.
 
I keep giving points as to why Sidious wins, but you deny them, and not for good reasons.

Also, as I've learned, Chakra is needed to allow the body to have good durability (Which is how Naruto obliterated Kaguya's hand), so Sidious would kill her before she could bring up her defenses.
 
Countering them poorly.

No, Kaguya needs to bring up her Chakra defenses, and if Sidious can last long enough (Which is really easy), her Chakra will run low enough he can kill her instantly.
 
Okay. ESTB takes time to charge. Time is not something she has on her side.

Sidious has durability ignoring attacks in the form of matter maniuplation and force drain, not to mention *extreme* speed, and we still don't even know if Kaguya will be able to tank a Lightsabre, let alone his force powers.

And yes, Sidious' darkness feat *is* a galatic feat, because it states it transmits a "anxiety" aura that "all Jedi" across the "Galaxy" felt, increasing "Anakin Skywalker's thirst for power." that , in no uncertain terms, states his TP skills are on the Galactic level.

Furthermore, she has no counter for spirit maniuplation, matter manipulation, or force ghost. Ignoring Wormhole (which takes time, like ESTB does to create), Sidious still stomps by a sheer speed factor. He's over 10x faster than she is, literally he has chance to unleash his attacks before she even registers the battle has begun.

Sidious was able to TP trillions on Coruscant and untold numbers across the galaxy by his mere presence. The Jedi Council (no weaklings in TP) were unable to break his shroud or detect the dark side within him... OFTEN in the same room as Sidious.
 
"Also can I have scans of chakra increasing durability."

Naruto in The Last used Chakra to enhance his durability and striking strength seen when he tanked Toneri's attack (durability) and overpowered it (Striking Strength).

Basically, the more chakra you use to enhance your body, the higher your durabiltiy and striking strength increases.

KCM, BM, BSM, and SPSM Naruto are all good examples of this. As Naruto increased his form throughout the 4th War (From KCM to SPSM) his stats increased.
 
SwordSlayer99 said:
"Also can I have scans of chakra increasing durability."
Naruto in The Last used Chakra to enhance his durability and striking strength seen when he tanked Toneri's attack (durability) and overpowered it (Striking Strength).

Basically, the more chakra you use to enhance your body, the higher your durabiltiy and striking strength increases.

KCM, BM, BSM, and SPSM Naruto are all good examples of this. As Naruto increased his form throughout the 4th War (From KCM to SPSM) his stats increased.
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I know that, but she has chakra in her cells. And everlasting stated he can blitz her before she has chakra.
 
Aparajita said:
Okay. ESTB takes time to charge. Time is not something she has on her side.
Sidious has durability ignoring attacks in the form of matter maniuplation and force drain, not to mention *extreme* speed, and we still don't even know if Kaguya will be able to tank a Lightsabre, let alone his force powers.

And yes, Sidious' darkness feat *is* a galatic feat, because it states it transmits a "anxiety" aura that "all Jedi" across the "Galaxy" felt, increasing "Anakin Skywalker's thirst for power." that , in no uncertain terms, states his TP skills are on the Galactic level.

Furthermore, she has no counter for spirit maniuplation, matter manipulation, or force ghost. Ignoring Wormhole (which takes time, like ESTB does to create), Sidious still stomps by a sheer speed factor. He's over 10x faster than she is, literally he has chance to unleash his attacks before she even registers the battle has begun.

Sidious was able to TP trillions on Coruscant and untold numbers across the galaxy by his mere presence. The Jedi Council (no weaklings in TP) were unable to break his shroud or detect the dark side within him... OFTEN in the same room as Sidious.
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Was never stated that it takes time to charge.

Thats the light side of the force fliping to the dark side.

Rinnegan counters soul manipulation. Ten Tail can separate and create new matter. Rinnegan counters Soul ghost. Attacks she can tank.

Ok.
 
It clearly does.

That has nothing to do with that.

Where does it do that? Not if Kaguya's transmuted to air. No it doesn't. It will activate before she can fuel her durability with her Chakra, or Sidious can last long enough so Kaguya's Chakra drains and he can kill her.
 
Credible Hulk said:
And yes, Sidious' darkness feat *is* a galatic feat, because it states it transmits a "anxiety" aura that "all Jedi" across the "Galaxy" felt, increasing "Anakin Skywalker's thirst for power." that , in no uncertain terms, states his TP skills are on the Galactic level.
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Thats the light side of the force fliping to the dark side.
No... it's not. There was a literal sense of dread over the minds of the Jedi, they constantly commented "The Dark Side of the Force has clouded my vision" not "Oh, it's suddenly dark" but "They *made* it Dark."

The Force is a living thing, existing in all creatures - stronger in some places and weaker or non-existant in others. Sidious maniuplated the Force with TP on a GALACTIC scale so every Jedi, from the center of the universe to the outer rim planets felt the presence of the Dark Side. How else can i explain that to you?
 
The Everlasting said:
It clearly does.
That has nothing to do with that.

Where does it do that? Not if Kaguya's transmuted to air. No it doesn't. It will activate before she can fuel her durability with her Chakra, or Sidious can last long enough so Kaguya's Chakra drains and he can kill her.
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Never stated, never said.

Ok, sure.

Rinnegan ability.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rinnega

Yes it can.

http://img.mangahit.com/manga/0916/053865/15.jpg

She also has the mass of a small planet as stated. Chakra dosen't get activated its in her cells. Sidious won't survive ETSB. Draining sage chakra has been established.
 
can you explain why is Kaguya's durability considered Planet level, even if she's somehow near planet level, i'm sure that she's small planet level at best!
 
Then why doesn't she activate it immediately?

She can't heal on a sub-atomic level.

Where is that stated?

Then how did Naruto destroy her hand?

Life force =/= Chakra, he'll drain the life force that isn't Chakra.

He can just take control of her mind and have her kill herself.
 
She can.

Gudoudama heal

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums...903ec0b5db1feb7f_zps28f477a9.png?t=1398085095

Human Path

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Human_Path

Because she's a least moon lvl durability and Naruto is moon lvl.

She only has one lifeforce which is chakra. If all chakra is gone you'll die.

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/8/55-519.0/compressed/snaruto_519_sleepyfans.10.jpg

But due to being a Ten Tails jinchuuriki that can't happen.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128955/4666501-8932873785-EBKAb.png

She'll just have the Ten Tails snap her out of it.

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/8/45-413.0/compressed/naruto_413_sleepyfans.15.jpg

Or supress it with her sharingan.
 
DeezNuts1102 said:
can you explain why is Kaguya's durability considered Planet level, even if she's somehow near planet level, i'm sure that she's small planet level at best!
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Her profile lists her at likely planet durability because she'd survive her own planet attack.
 
That's Obito, and she can't heal at a sub-atomic level.

He wouldn't induce illusions (Though he can), he can just alter her memory.

Then how did she live before she consumed the fruit of Shinju?

Sidious still has durability bypassing abilities
 
@The Everlasting

Chakra is made through the combination of Physical/Body Energy & Life/Spiritual Energy

Its true that Life Force/Energy does not equal chakra, but Life Force/Energy is a component of chakra
 
The Everlasting said:
That's Obito, and she can't heal at a sub-atomic level.
He wouldn't induce illusions (Though he can), he can just alter her memory.

Then how did she live before she consumed the fruit of Shinju?

Sidious still has durability bypassing abilities
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Kaguya has Gudoudama too, meaning she can use it juat as well.

Altering memeories is still mind altering, which sharingans can defend from.

I had just etablished stealing her life force won't matter due to the Ten Tails.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128955/4666501-8932873785-EBKAb.png

Also if he does steal enough life force she can always absorb more from natural energy.

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/8/44-409.0/compressed/11.jpg
 
It doesn't work on a sub-atomic level, just cellular, and Kaguya has no defense against it.

And his TP is powerful enough to overpower it.

Why does that matter? He can just drain the Ten Tails' life force too.

He does it enough to where she dies.
 
Sidious takes this, Naruto characters are not force sensitive or anything of a similar supernatural nature. She has no viable defence against Sidious' ability to like say...telekinatically tie her nerves into cat's cradles or destroy her brain functions via transmutation.
 
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