Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sir_Marvulous]

Kenny is still top 3
Rika using RCT isn't going to change anything. Kenny still smokes. Acting like Kenny can't change his barrier conditions is funny.

Kusakabe is the real guy for killing the whole GC who handled SD restrictions and made his own turf.

A Prison Realm-sized domain can last 3 minutes against a shrunken Malevolent Shrine, which is when it's at its strongest. It's uncertain how Kenjaku's sure-hit compares to Sukuna's, but either way, Yuta has AT LEAST 3 minutes.

Before, the argument was that Kenny will break Yuta's domain and overwhelm him with curses before any of his own advantages are even useable. But with a domain that lasts a while against an open domain, Yuta now has the actual opportunity to double down on his stat advantage and Rika, while also having access to his copied techniques inside his domain. Rika being able to output RCT means she WILL take out every curse that Kenny throws at them.

Yuta wins.

 

[Gokukid2005]

I'm pretty sure its Mei Mei that killed the head like the chapter showed.
And that's mostly cause of the rumors that the heads drain the life force of new shadow users i.e. her brother.
Kusakabe then became the head afterwards and abolished all the rules for New Shadow Style.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

A tiny domain can last 3 minutes against Malevolent Shrine. It's uncertain how Kenjaku's sure-hit compares to Sukuna's, but either way, Yuta has AT LEAST 3 minutes.

Before, the argument was that Kenny will break Yuta's domain and overwhelm him with curses before any of his own advantages are even useable. But with a domain that lasts a while against an open domain, Yuta now has the actual opportunity to double down on his stat advantage and Rika, while also having access to his copied techniques inside his domain. Rika being able to output RCT means she WILL take out every curse that Kenny throws at them.

Yuta wins.

Yuta's domain never competed with Sukuna's domain. It was Gojo's domain.

Kenny only needs few seconds to switch the barriers range. He would get that with massive curses spam like in Shibuya. Rika ain't clearing massive numbers of them instantly .

Implying Yuta's love domain can compete with Sukuna's domain seems like a real cope

 

[Gokukid2005]

Not to say I fully agree with Yuta beating Kenjaku or wtv
But current Yuta would have like, everything necessary for his domain to be considered high level

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Let's not talk about Kenny having Tengen who can just rip Yuta's domain apart on his own with little prep.
Kenny's Mini Uzumaki he would sneak spam in CQC.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Let's not talk about Kenny having Tengen who can just rip Yuta's domain apart on his own with little prep.
Kenny's Mini Uzumaki he would sneak spam in CQC.

I don't get what your point is. I'm just using the only example of a tiny domain and an open domain clash in the series. And it is completely fair to argue that Yuta's polishing of his domain and his sheer output should be able to equalize Kenny's

Also, you said I was acting like Kenny can't switch his barrier conditions. I didn't even imply that. I said that Yuta having the ability to make his domain the size of the Prison Realm based on Gojo's memories means he counters Kenjaku's single most major advantage against him.

And if Kenny tried to use Tengen's ability to tear away domains against Yuta, he'd probably tear away his own in the process, given his would be encompassing Yuta's during the clash, leaving both of them on burnout. And, once again, that leaves Kenny at a disadvantage because of Yuta's stat advantage and Rika, especially with 5-minute mode.

 

[Giannysmag]

Spoiler: 269

HIGURUMA BACK LET'S GOOOOOOOO

The simple domain part of the chap felt weird, assuming there really are only three 3 chaps left, like is this practicaly irrelevant plot point the thing you wanna make the chapters focus Gege? But like LoK said it does make me feel there's gonna be some part two

 

[Sir_sun_man]

man this chapter was good, although not gonna lie I have a feeling that something rather bad will happen in the next two (mainly due to the focus on a certain thumb)

 

[Giannysmag]

Can yall ******* stop adding stuff to Gojo's profile please like what the hell is even this

Only the first feat is about physicals, the rest is irrelevant being called the strongest has nothing to do with physical capabilities when he has a broken CT with the perfect trait. Being stronger than Yuta and Hakari means nothing to his rating.

And all of this is useless because his Striking Strength section is complete with all the relevant feats.

 

[Giannysmag]

man this chapter was good, although not gonna lie I have a feeling that something rather bad will happen in the next two (mainly due to the focus on a certain thumb)

Kenjaku will take over Gojo's body and kill everyone, then transport himself into Megumi's body to complete the Merger (if this actually happens I'm killin myself)

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Kenjaku will take over Gojo's body and kill everyone, then transport himself into Megumi's body to complete the Merger (if this actually happens I'm killin myself)

noted

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Kenjaku will take over Gojo's body and kill everyone, then transport himself into Megumi's body to complete the Merger (if this actually happens I'm killin myself)

I saw that Yuta was back in his own body and thought "Oh fr? Just like that?"

and then I saw Higuruma alive and was like "F*ck it, bring Gojo back, why don't you"

 

[Giannysmag]

I saw that Yuta was back in his own body and thought "Oh fr? Just like that?"

and then I saw Higuruma alive and was like "F*ck it, bring Gojo back, why don't you"

I mean... I wouldn't be opposed to that

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I mean... I wouldn't be opposed to that

With the way things are going, it's within the realm of possibility

 

[Giannysmag]

With the way things are going, it's within the realm of possibility

Imma make a 1000 word essay on how peak Gojo is if he returns, the glaze will actually be insane

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Imma make a 1000 word essay on how peak Gojo is if he returns, the glaze will actually be insane

No way Gege actually takes away Sukuna's one single greatest accomplishment

 

[Giannysmag]

No way Gege actually takes away Sukuna's one single greatest accomplishment

He'd still have Kashimo ig

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't get what your point is. I'm just using the only example of a tiny domain and an open domain clash in the series. And it is completely fair to argue that Yuta's polishing of his domain and his sheer output should be able to equalize Kenny's

For one I never argued Kenny's domain Output. Why are you assuming I am arguing based on Kenny outright overpowering Yuta's domain output.

I was purely talking about Kenny's barriers skills and other abilities he got which can counter tiny domain of Yuta you mentioned.

I don't have problem with Kenny and Yuta domain output matching.

Also, you said I was acting like Kenny can't switch his barrier conditions. I didn't even imply that. I said that Yuta having the ability to make his domain the size of the Prison Realm based on Gojo's memories means he counters Kenjaku's single most major advantage against him.

You didn't say advantage here though

Yuta is top 3 now btw

Spoiler: 269

He's back in his own body, can use the tiny domain, and overall just completely out-stats Kenjaku. Also, Rika can act completely independently and OUTPUT RCT

This implied you ignored that Kenjaku can counter Yuta’s Compressed Domain and other advantages Kenjaku has overall when you said Yuta is Top 3. You followed up with reasoning that only included two lines about a Compressed Tiny Domain and Rika’s RCT. You didn’t say that an argument could be made, instead, you used definitive words like “he is Top 3.”

And if Kenny tried to use Tengen's ability to tear away domains against Yuta, he'd probably tear away his own in the process, given his would be encompassing Yuta's during the clash, leaving both of them on burnout. And, once again, that leaves Kenny at a disadvantage because of Yuta's stat advantage and Rika, especially with 5-minute mode.

First of all, I didn’t say Kenny would use Tengen when he is using his own Domain. Kenny isn’t an idiot. Kenny’s Barrier Technique was highly regarded. He can just use SD or HWB to buy time, and then overwhelm Yuta in CQC with his skills (I’m not saying Kenny overwhelms Rika and Yuta in terms of strength, I’m talking about skill, so don’t take it the wrong way). Kenny can just keep his distance from Yuta and Rika with his CQC skills, using Mini Uzumaki or big Uzumaki spam (knowing his curse count, I can definitely see him using at least multiple big shots, enough to buy time), or the gravity technique, which neither Yuta nor Rika has a counter for.

I don’t really see the 5 minute mode helping Yuta anyway. Once he gets inside Kenny’s Domain, he gets cooked. Also, I would argue Kenny wouldn’t let his guard down like Yuki. He would straight up demolish Yuta’s body completely, knowing he has already experienced someone surviving his Domain and giving him trouble.

IIRC, Tengen needs 10 seconds to remove a high tier open barriers Domain like Kenjaku’s. I don’t see him needing the same amount of time for a Closed Barriers Domain, which is common in the verse. Tengen was sure about removing Kenny's domain if it was closed barriers when he planned with Yuki and Choso.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm pretty sure its Mei Mei that killed the head like the chapter showed.
And that's mostly cause of the rumors that the heads drain the life force of new shadow users i.e. her brother.
Kusakabe then became the head afterwards and abolished all the rules for New Shadow Style.

Welcome to leak society.
All leaks were taken down so I'm not sure.
You might be right though.
I gotta wait for TCB or Kaisen Backup now.

 

[Giannysmag]

Welcome to leak society.
All leaks were taken down so I'm not sure.
You might be right though.
I gotta wait for TCB or Kaisen Backup now.

The leaks are still up on the JJK Discord server

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

For one I never argued Kenny's domain Output. Why are you assuming I am arguing based on Kenny outright overpowering Yuta's domain output.

I was purely talking about Kenny's barriers skills and other abilities he got which can counter tiny domain of Yuta you mentioned.

I don't have problem with Kenny and Yuta domain output matching.

I was arguing against the point from the message before that

You didn't say advantage here though

This implied you ignored that Kenjaku can counter Yuta’s Compressed Domain and other advantages Kenjaku has overall when you said Yuta is Top 3. You followed up with reasoning that only included two lines about a Compressed Tiny Domain and Rika’s RCT. You didn’t say that an argument could be made, instead, you used definitive words like “he is Top 3.”

[/ISPOILER]

Semantics, dude. I said that under the impression that most people who frequent this page would get the subtext behind "Yuta can use a tiny-sized barrier"

The subtext being "to hold off Kenny's open domain"

First of all, I didn’t say Kenny would use Tengen when he is using his own Domain. Kenny isn’t an idiot. Kenny’s Barrier Technique was highly regarded. He can just use SD or HWB to buy time, and then overwhelm Yuta in CQC with his skills (I’m not saying Kenny overwhelms Rika and Yuta in terms of strength, I’m talking about skill, so don’t take it the wrong way). Kenny can just keep his distance from Yuta and Rika with his CQC skills, using Mini Uzumaki or big Uzumaki spam (knowing his curse count, I can definitely see him using at least multiple big shots, enough to buy time), or the gravity technique, which neither Yuta nor Rika has a counter for.

I don’t really see the 5 minute mode helping Yuta anyway. Once he gets inside Kenny’s Domain, he gets cooked. Also, I would argue Kenny wouldn’t let his guard down like Yuki. He would straight up demolish Yuta’s body completely, knowing he has already experienced someone surviving his Domain and giving him trouble.

IIRC, Tengen needs 10 seconds to remove a high tier open barriers Domain like Kenjaku’s. I don’t see him needing the same amount of time for a Closed Barriers Domain, which is common in the verse. Tengen was sure about removing Kenny's domain if it was closed barriers when he planned with Yuki and Choso.

And this is post-Sukuna fight, backup plan man Yuta, who knows that Kenjaku expands his domain without closing it, and that he has Tengen in his arsenal. Also, Tengen's ability to dismantle domains seemed to have to do with her directly controlling the Sunyata barriers in the Tomb of the Stars. If that only applies there, then that's not a wincon itself, unless she creates a barrier on the battlefield. If it's something she can do with the same ease otherwise, well then Yuta knows about it. He'll likely be wise to not let his domain get dismantled by Tengen

Also, Kenny's CQC is not a good equalizer for two characters with an overall stat advantage over him. Especially if Yuta feels pressed to activate 5-minute mode to use techniques like Cursed Speech, Sky Manipulation, Precognition, and the like

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I saw that Yuta was back in his own body and thought "Oh fr? Just like that?"

and then I saw Higuruma alive and was like "F*ck it, bring Gojo back, why don't you"

I mean... I wouldn't be opposed to that

Disney Kaisen is so real. Now I'm probably gonna get jumped for making fun of other series for bringing back their important characters from dead.

 

[Gokukid2005]

Higuruma being alive doesn't surprise me. I wanted to survive and I didn't believe for a second that Sukuna took him out.
The cleave that incapacitated him was done to Yuji in the exact same chapter and he pulled up rather quickly.
The difference between Higu and Yuji is tolerance for pain. Yuji can take that and more and stay conscious to heal himself, while Higuruma passed out.
Him just being out cold could explain why Kamitoke didn't come back but also explain why his sword just turned to mush when given to Yuji.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Semantics, dude. I said that under the impression that most people who frequent this page would get the subtext behind "Yuta can use a tiny-sized barrier"

I mean how it's Semantics.

The subtext being "to hold off Kenny's open domain"

I went back and checked this line isn't in your first comment

And this is post-Sukuna fight, backup plan man Yuta, who knows that Kenjaku expands his domain without closing it, and that he has Tengen in his arsenal.

Having Knowledge isn't giving Yuta any edge. What plan he would come up to counter that? In an face to face scenario.

He most likely would go for Gojo's approach knowing it was advantageous against Sukuna but it would most likely turns out to be Kenjaku advantage like I mentioned above.

Also, Tengen's ability to dismantle domains seemed to have to do with her directly controlling the Sunyata barriers in the Tomb of the Stars. If that only applies there, then that's not a wincon. If it's something she can do with the same ease otherwise, well then Yuta knows about it.

Tengen removed his barriers because Kenny had open domain and Yuki was in pinch (IIRC he was trying to remove Kenny's domain normally first). So I don't think it is the same case for other closed domains..

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@Sir_Marvulous actually you are right about Tegen only capable of dismantling others domain in his own territory.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I went back and checked this line isn't in your first comment

Subtext

Having Knowledge isn't giving Yuta any edge. What plan he would come up to counter that? In an face to face scenario.

Not using his domain? So it can't be dismantled by Tengen if that's possible? Thus forcing Kenny to either try to be sneaky with—like—an uzumaki, or go all in on with his domain, which forces Yuta to expand his own, leaving them in a position where either both their domains are dismantled or neither are, leaving them at a stalemate until either All-Encompassing Garbhadhatu shatters Mutual Love or Yuta damages Kenny to the point that he can't maintain his barrier if not outright just kill him

He most likely would go for Gojo's approach knowing it was advantageous against Sukuna but it would most likely turns out to be Kenjaku advantage like I mentioned above.

Tengen removed his barriers because Kenny had open domain and Yuki was in pinch (IIRC he was trying to remove Kenny's domain normally first). So I don't think it is the same case for other closed domains..

Yeah, it's not the same case, but that also requires Yuta to put himself in a position in which Tengen can dismantle his domain without also inadvertently dismantling Kenjaku's. All things considered, I don't think Yuta, with all the prior knowledge that he already has, would put himself into this position

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

@Sir_Marvulous actually you are right about Tegen only capable of dismantling others domain in his own territory.

I gave the benefit of the doubt. Tengen could possibly create a barrier on the spot

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not using his domain? So it can't be dismantled by Tengen if that's possible? Thus forcing Kenny to either try to be sneaky with—like—an uzumaki,

It's hard to say. If Kenny will go for CQC with Yuta when Rika is around.

Unless Tengen creates some barriers with Binding vow to seperate the two.

or go all in on with his domain, which forces Yuta to expand his own, leaving them in a position where either both their domains are dismantled or neither are, leaving them at a stalemate until either Kenjaku's domain breaks Yuta's or Yuta damages Kenny to the point that he can't maintain his barrier if not outright just kill him

Regarding if even we say Kenny spams domain. Kenny only needs to survive 3 min. Yuta's tiny domain will automatically gets dismantled after that time period (I mean if we have Gojo > Yuta in skills obviously I don't see Yuta's Tiny domain holding more time than Gojo's own)

Kenny can pull it off with his Curses and Gravity CT for 3 min and his CQC skills are atleast good enough run around and buy time.

Or swapping barrier conditions it's easier ways.

Yeah, it's not the same case, but that also requires Yuta to put himself in a position in which Tengen can dismantle his domain without also inadvertently dismantling Kenjaku's. All things considered, I don't think Yuta, with all the prior knowledge that he already has, would put himself into this position

Well it depends on the conditions I guess but Yuta needs either Domain or 5-min mode to fight Kenny. He can't definitely CQC Kenny with his hands. If he goes for that he would get smoked by Compressed sneak Uzumaki for sure

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I gave the benefit of the doubt. Tengen could possibly create a barrier on the spot

Yeah I mean barriers can be created. So it's possible

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It's hard to say. If Kenny will go for CQC with Yuta when Rika is around.

Unless Tengen creates some barriers with Binding vow to seperate the two.

That doesn't sound out of question, though it depends on what is possible for Tengen's barriers that aren't 1000-year-old barriers supported by the systems of barriers that were there naturally

Regarding if even we say Kenny spams domain. Kenny only needs to survive 3 min. Yuta's tiny domain will automatically gets dismantled after that time period (I mean if we have Gojo > Yuta in skills obviously I don't see Yuta's Tiny domain holding more time than Gojo's own)

Kenny can pull it off with his Curses and Gravity CT for 3 min and his CQC skills are atleast good enough run around and buy time.

Or swapping barrier conditions it's easier ways.

Even if he's not as skilled as Gojo at this, he still got free barrier knowledge from him. And I'm thinking that Yuta's tiny domain would last against an open domain domain with a comparable or inferior level of sheer output

I don't think trying to stall by running around is feasible when Yuta and Rika have greater raw speed than him, and while Yuta's domain gives him access to techniques like Sky Manipulation, Cursed Speech, and that one Shikigami technique to limit Kenny's movements. While his gravity CT is threatening, it's best feat is intimidating Yuki, who Yuta and Rika would have greater LS than at this point, and it only lasts for 6 seconds at a time anyway

Well it depends on the conditions I guess but Yuta needs either Domain or 5-min mode to fight Kenny. He can't definitely CQC Kenny with his hands. If he goes for that he would get smoked by Compressed sneak Uzumaki for sure

While Kenny's CQC feats are technically more impressive, I don't think Yuta isn't capable of competing with him in this regard, especially considering that he was able to fight Sukuna despite not being used to Gojo's body. And it would be mitigated by Yuta and Rika being overall faster. But I don't think this is much of a factor anyway because he prefers fighting with a sword and using Rika to overwhelm the opponent, or using copied cursed techniques. Also, I think Rika's very independent behavior is superior to the more animalistic behavior of Curses controlled by Kenny when it comes down to that

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@Sir_Marvulous

Spoiler

Even if he's not as skilled as Gojo at this, he still got free barrier knowledge from him. And I'm thinking that Yuta's tiny domain would last against an open domain domain with a comparable or inferior level of sheer output

Well I'm talking about time period.
Gojo's tiny domain was high level so it was lasting 3min IIRC

I don't think trying to stall by running around is feasible when Yuta and Rika have greater raw speed than him,

Okay, this is where I completely disagree. There is no comparison between their speeds, especially when Yuta needed Todo's help to even blitz a weakened Kenny from the Takaba fight.

It's safe to assume both has similar level speed.

and while Yuta's domain gives him access to techniques like Sky Manipulation, Cursed Speech, and that one Shikigami technique to limit Kenny's movements.

Kenny has knowledge of cursed speech, so I would argue he would be on guard with CE reinforcement for his ears.

Sky manipulation is troubling. But don't know if it would be effective against gravity CT when even Yuki's Shikigami which ignored concepts got struck in it.

Kenny has his curses to buy time from Rika. We don't know how much time Rika took to clear all of Kenny's curses, who are on a rampage. Here, Kenny will be using his curses along with his IQ.

Also, what can Rika and Yuta do against the curse that manipulates the perception of others, as we saw in Shibuya?

While his gravity CT is threatening, it's best feat is intimidating Yuki, who Yuta and Rika would have greater LS than at this point, and

Wasn't Kenny outright stated to have higher grip strength? Also Yuki held back the Black hole to some extent her LS would be pretty higher than Yuta LS feats IIRC the calculation

Yuki's shikigami was matching Kenny even when it was on low output while full output got struck in gravity CT. How would Yuta have higher lifting strength with these feats?

it only lasts for 6 seconds at a time anyway

6 sec and Mini sneak Uzumaki gonna cost Yuta though.

While Kenny's CQC feats are technically more impressive, I don't think Yuta isn't capable of competing with him in this regard, especially if him being able to fight Sukuna despite not being used to Gojo's body.

While I hate to break it to you, Sukuna only has one good arm, and Yuta's best feat was throwing him and trying to punch him in Gojo's body. We don't really know how many of Gojo's skills Yuta has, because Yuta was mostly taking in CT information from Gojo. So, I don't really see his CQC skills improving much.

But I don't think this is much of a factor anyway because he prefers fighting with a sword and using Rika to jump the opponent

Well, Kenny would just dodge sword strikes with his skills and acrobatics. As for me, I was arguing from the scenario where Tengen keeps Rika busy with his barriers.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well here goes CQC skill to Kenny. LMAO

Q5. Of Gojo, Megumi, Maki, Mai, Naobito, Naoya, Toji, Noritoshi, Noritoshi (Kenjaku), Geto (Kenjaku), what is the strength ranking in terms of hand-to-hand combat without cursed energy or weapons?

A. Ignoring Toji and Maki, Kenjaku and Gojo are about the same level. After that, it's Naoya > Fushiguro > Mai.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Top 3 of the verse:

Top 1 Miguel

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

@Sir_Marvulous

Spoiler

Well I'm talking about time period.
Gojo's tiny domain was high level so it was lasting 3min IIRC

Okay, this is where I completely disagree. There is no comparison between their speeds, especially when Yuta needed Todo's help to even blitz a weakened Kenny from the Takaba fight.

It's safe to assume both has similar level speed.

Kenny has knowledge of cursed speech, so I would argue he would be on guard with CE reinforcement for his ears.

Sky manipulation is troubling. But don't know if it would be effective against gravity CT when even Yuki's Shikigami which ignored concepts got struck in it.

Kenny has his curses to buy time from Rika. We don't know how much time Rika took to clear all of Kenny's curses, who are on a rampage. Here, Kenny will be using his curses along with his IQ.

Also, what can Rika and Yuta do against the curse that manipulates the perception of others, as we saw in Shibuya?

Wasn't Kenny outright stated to have higher grip strength? Also Yuki held back the Black hole to some extent her LS would be pretty higher than Yuta LS feats IIRC the calculation

Yuki's shikigami was matching Kenny even when it was on low output while full output got struck in gravity CT. How would Yuta have higher lifting strength with these feats?

6 sec and Mini sneak Uzumaki gonna cost Yuta though.

While I hate to break it to you, Sukuna only has one good arm, and Yuta's best feat was throwing him and trying to punch him in Gojo's body. We don't really know how many of Gojo's skills Yuta has, because Yuta was mostly taking in CT information from Gojo. So, I don't really see his CQC skills improving much.

Well, Kenny would just dodge sword strikes with his skills and acrobatics. As for me, I was arguing from the scenario where Tengen keeps Rika busy with his barriers.

Spoiler: 269

Well I'm talking about time period.
Gojo's tiny domain was high level so it was lasting 3min IIRC

I'm saying that I don't see the argument for a compressed Mutual Love not lasting against a comparable domain

Okay, this is where I completely disagree. There is no comparison between their speeds, especially when Yuta needed Todo's help to even blitz a weakened Kenny from the Takaba fight.

It's safe to assume both has similar level speed.

Yes, they have similar levels of speed. That being said, in terms of overall speed, it's accepted that Yuki scales to CG Yuta, and that Kenjaku scales to her. It's his vigilant reactions and perceptiveness that make him dangerous. He also set up surveillance systems, furthering the need to sneak up on him. They had to maximize their chance and avoid a drawn out fight because Yuta was needed to fight Sukuna. Now we've established the context that their sheer speed should have been pretty close before.

Yuta had gotten faster compared to his CG self—a level of overall speed that Kenjaku was at—to the point that he could keep up with post-Gojo fight Sukuna before he was nerfed even further. Just by upscaling from his previous self, he should be faster.

Kenny has knowledge of cursed speech, so I would argue he would be on guard with CE reinforcement for his ears.

Sky manipulation is troubling. But don't know if it would be effective against gravity CT when even Yuki's Shikigami which ignored concepts got struck in it.

Kenny has his curses to buy time from Rika. We don't know how much time Rika took to clear all of Kenny's curses, who are on a rampage. Here, Kenny will be using his curses along with his IQ.

Also, what can Rika and Yuta do against the curse that manipulates the perception of others, as we saw in Shibuya?

That's a feat for what it can bypass, or maybe just an antifeat for Garuda. Gravity itself should get bypassed by spatial manipulation. But the sheer amount of options, if used consecutively are going to be trouble

After Takaba vs Kenny, which happened at the same time that Kashimo fought Sukuna and Jujutsu Tech pulled up, Yuta killed Kenny and fought off the Cursed Spirit rampage with Rika, and then was able to arrive immediately after Kogane arrived to announce the change of rules. It didn't seem to take very long. Rika's RCT output will be useful against Kenny's controlled use of Curses

Not much to counteract that perception curse itself, but that seems more like a momentary distraction than anything

Wasn't Kenny outright stated to have higher grip strength? Also Yuki held back the Black hole to some extent her LS would be pretty higher than Yuta LS feats IIRC the calculation

Yuki's shikigami was matching Kenny even when it was on low output while full output got struck in gravity CT. How would Yuta have higher lifting strength with these feats?

Kenjaku was stated to have higher grip strength without Cursed Energy than a crowd of people that very much did not include Yuta

Yuki didn't literally hold back her black hole with LS, if that's what you're suggesting. She just suppressed it so it wouldn't destroy the world

Given Yuki after healing was still so weakened that Bombaye wasn't doing as much damage to Kenny as it should've, that was probably not a full strength Garuda. And again, Yuta and Rika have gotten stronger, thus they should be able to at least somewhat resist it should they get caught, if they get caught. Rika's flight in conjunction with her LS is also a feasible way for her to get out of the gravity field, while also using cursed energy blasts to prevent Kenjaku from getting free hits on Yuta. And gravity isn't stopping Yuta from getting a free Cursed Speech hit on Kenny since he's within range, which makes Rika's cursed energy blast counterattack even more effective

6 sec and Mini sneak Uzumaki gonna cost Yuta though.

Given what I established in my argument, I don't think this fight is favorable enough for Kenjaku to pull off an Uzumaki at the same time that Yuta is caught by the gravity field (especially since this version of Yuta should know about it). And Yuta should be able to redirect Uzumaki with Sky Manipulation. Now that's gonna cost Kenny

While I hate to break it to you, Sukuna only has one good arm, and Yuta's best feat was throwing him and trying to punch him in Gojo's body. We don't really know how many of Gojo's skills Yuta has, because Yuta was mostly taking in CT information from Gojo. So, I don't really see his CQC skills improving much.

I don't think this is a factor but I'm doing this anyway

Sukuna was using three arms. Even the stubs were actually being used against Yuta. I'm not saying Yuta is superior, but I don't think this is a major factor by itself

Well, Kenny would just dodge sword strikes with his skills and acrobatics. As for me, I was arguing from the scenario where Tengen keeps Rika busy with his barriers.

That's still a fairly generous idea under the more reasonable interpretation that he's directly facing two characters faster than him. Especially if it's fully manifested Rika. Unlike prior opponents, Rika can fly, and is gonna be attacking from an elevated position. While the acrobatics helps against a matchup like Yuki and Choso, it's gonna be far more difficult here. Partially manifested Rika can already press Sukuna. Fully manifested would therefore do great damage to Kenny.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Top 3 of the verse:

Top 1 Miguel

Funny thing Gege was scared to give Miguel even anti domain techniques.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

If there's another response, I ain't replying because I've already articulated my argument and holy shit I don't wanna keep formatting my replies to a spoiler tag

It's so tedious

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

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I'm saying that I don't see the argument for a compressed Mutual Love not lasting against a comparable domain

Sukuna and Gojo were equal in skills. Gojo's domain only lasted for 3 min. So same thing should apply here if you say both are equal

Yes, they have similar levels of speed. That being said, in terms of overall speed, it's accepted that Yuki scales to CG Yuta, and that Kenjaku scales to her. It's his vigilant reactions and perceptiveness that make him dangerous. He also set up surveillance systems, furthering the need to sneak up on him. They had to maximize their chance and avoid a drawn out fight because Yuta was needed to fight Sukuna. Now we've established the context that their sheer speed should have been pretty close before.

I'm pretty sure nowhere it was accepted Yuki and CG yuta has same speed. There was no comparison for speed as far as I remember

Yuta had gotten faster compared to his CG self—a level of overall speed that Kenjaku was at—to the point that he could keep up with post-Gojo fight Sukuna before he was nerfed even further. Just by upscaling from his previous self, he should be faster.

Post-Gojo fight Sukuna was weaker than the version Ryu fought as even Cleave from Post-Gojo fight Sukuna is not capable of Killing Yuta despite Yuta's durability does not surpasses Ryu. There is no impressive speed feats from Yuta in Shinjuku.

Also If he was so faster he wouldn't be needing someone else CT to pull off Speed blitz on weakened Kenjaku.

That's a feat for what it can bypass, or maybe just an antifeat for Garuda. Gravity itself should get bypassed by spatial manipulation. But the sheer amount of options, if used consecutively are going to be trouble

Or Kenny's gravity is just broken...

After Takaba vs Kenny, which happened at the same time that Kashimo fought Sukuna and Jujutsu Tech pulled up, Yuta killed Kenny and fought off the Cursed Spirit rampage with Rika, and then was able to arrive immediately after Kogane arrived to announce the change of rules. It didn't seem to take very long. They very well could've just used cursed energy blasts to destroy a huge amount at once.

Well I gotta beat down Gege for not giving proper time details like Shibuya incident.

Rika's RCT output will be useful against Kenny's controlled use of Curses

She is technically dumb? Even if she keeps spamming RCT what she is gonna do when centiped curses keep spamming on her. It would still seperate Yuta from Rika giving Kenny a edge.

Not much to counteract that perception curse itself, but that seems more like a momentary distraction than anything

He can just keeping spamming it enough to buy time. It's not like he absorbed that curse into Uzumaki. He should still have that.
Blame Gege for PIS if you are gonna ask me why he isn't using that anymore
I'm taking all of his abilities into consideration.

Kenjaku was stated to have higher grip strength without Cursed Energy than a crowd of people that very much did not include Yuta

?

Q1. Of Gojo, Megumi, Maki, Mai, Naobito, Naoya, Toji, Noritoshi, Noritoshi (Kenjaku), and Geto (Kenjaku), who has the strongest grip strength?

A. Ignoring Toji and Maki, it's Kenjaku wearing Geto's body.

Yuki didn't literally hold back her black hole with LS, if that's what you're suggesting. She just suppressed it so it wouldn't destroy the world

It's still considered as LS though?

Given Yuki after healing was still so weakened that Bombaye wasn't doing as much damage to Kenny as it should've, that was probably not a full strength Garuda. And again, Yuta and Rika have gotten stronger, thus they should be able to at least somewhat resist it should they get caught, if they get caught

I clearly mentioned the Garuda part which was after Yuki fully healed.
Kenjaku was held down by weakness Garuda. His Anti gravity stomped full power Garuda

Given what I established in my argument, I don't think this fight is favorable enough for Kenjaku to pull off an Uzumaki at the same time that Yuta is caught by the gravity field (especially since this version of Yuta should know about it). And Yuta should be able to redirect Uzumaki with Sky Manipulation. Now that's gonna cost Kenny

It's only possible if Kenny uses Big Uzumaki.
Mini Uzumaki is still sneakable.

I don't think this is a factor but I'm doing this anyway

Sukuna was using three arms. Even the stubs were actually being used against Yuta. I'm not saying Yuta is superior, but clearly he can't be counted out

That's still a fairly generous idea under the more reasonable interpretation that he's directly facing two characters faster than him. Especially if it's fully-manifested Rika. Unlike prior opponents, Rika can fly, and is gonna be attacking from an elevated position. While the acrobatics helps against a matchup like Yuki and Choso, it's gonna be far more difficult here

Well here goes CQC skill to Kenny. LMAO

Well not really interested in arguing about CQC skills anymore now that I found this.

Also I clearly mentioned in last time. I was taking in consideration of Rika being held down by Tengen barriers and Yuta needs to do one on one agaisnt Kenjaku.

If there's another response, I ain't replying because I've already articulated my argument and holy shit I don't wanna keep formatting my replies to a spoiler tag

It's so tedious

Gonna be real I'm also tired. I'm stopping here. We can continue this if someone makes Kenny vs Yuta match after M3x revisions for Shinjuku Showdown.

Kenny still lacks Tengen stuff in his profile I think.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It's still considered as LS though?

No and it literally destroyed her body lmao

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No and it literally destroyed her body lmao

It destroyed her body after certain level of output but IIRC Kenny calculation included when She still has her half body intact.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It destroyed her body after certain level of output but IIRC Kenny calculation included when She still has her half body intact.

Every calc I've seen regarding that scene has been either rejected or hasn't been evaluated (they'd probably get rejected too)

Also Yuki was a Go/Jo'd body on the ground, she wasn't doing anything to resist her suicide move that subsequently killed her

And if she actually got higher LS from that Yuta would scale if the profiles are anything to go by