Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So basically almost everyone is below 10F sukuna.

Where does Maho land then?

 

[Woomica]

So basically almost everyone is below 10F sukuna.

Where does Maho land then?

10-15f

 

[Woomica]

10-15f

Actually can scale higher with adaptation he has

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I find it funny whenever JJk fans starts scaling their favourite characters based on fingers ,

 

[YukaSama4]

Hakari's domain is stated to be strong in clashes, Kusakabe says normally you can't change your barrier but Hakari and Higu can

Dont switch sides when Hakari mimic Gojo's small barrier and pushes back Malevolent shrine

 

[Woomica]

I find it funny whenever JJk fans starts scaling their favourite characters based on fingers ,

Cause sukuna is just that strong lol

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Hakari's domain is stated to be strong in clashes, Kusakabe says normally you can't change your barrier but Hakari and Higu can

Dont switch sides when Hakari mimic Gojo's small barrier and pushes back Malevolent shrine

Okay, I'm a Hakari fan, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here....

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hakari's domain is stated to be strong in clashes, Kusakabe says normally you can't change your barrier but Hakari and Higu can

Dont switch sides when Hakari mimic Gojo's small barrier and pushes back Malevolent shrine

I said the same thing here few days ago

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Cause sukuna is just that strong lol

Like bruh they don't be comparing like this
Toji should scale to Yuta
Maki should scale to Geto
But Toji should be 3F Maki should be 1.5F
(just giving examples)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I find it funny whenever JJk fans starts scaling their favourite characters based on fingers ,

It gets the point across

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Like bruh they don't be comparing like this
Toji should scale to Yuta
Maki should scale to Geto
But Toji should be 3F Maki should be 1.5F
(just giving examples)

They all suck ass in the end so it doesn't even matter.

Greg killed powerscaling .

 

[Sir_sun_man]

 

[Nierre]

Cinema.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Is there an imgur gif of Mahoraga regenerating from just blood in the Blu Ray?

Cus that proves his Regeneration is Low-High

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Is there an imgur gif of Mahoraga regenerating from just blood in the Blu Ray?

Cus that proves his Regeneration is Low-High

anime feat only, we don't use anime feats.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Anime is secondary canon and this follows the rules for secondary canon. Not sure why people always forget the rules when it comes to jjk.

 

[Apotheosis69]

anime feat only, we don't use anime feats.

Yuta using Black Flash is literally an anime/movie feat... and we used that. Plus Mahoraga regenerating from that doesn't Contradict anything, its viable

 

[SuperStar]

Yuta using Black Flash is literally an anime/movie feat... and we used that

Alright removing it now.

 

[YukaSama4]

I'm sure it's stated in the fanbook that Yuta had experienced bf

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

anime feat only, we don't use anime feats.

We should make a separate verse for the anime

 

[Apotheosis69]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm sure it's stated in the fanbook that Yuta had experienced bf

Fanbook has no information on that (I believe it was from novel which I couldn't find anywhere. Lol)

Spoiler: Fanbook

OKKOTSU YUTA
Tokyo Prefectural Jujutsu Technical College 2nd Year

AGE: 17 (he repeated a year)
BIRTHDAY: March 7th
GRADE: Special Grade Sorcerer
BIRTHPLACE: Miyagi
ENROLLMENT METHOD: Scouted
CURSED TECHNIQUE: Rika
SKILLS: Cursed Speech (copy), Reverse Cursed Technique
HOBBY/SPECIAL SKILL: Good at making kneaded erasers
FAVORITE FOOD: Salted cabbage with sesame oil
LEAST FAVORITE FOOD: The fatty part of the steak
CAUSE OF STRESS: Being unable to meet with his classmates

Q: Okkotsu’s hairstyle has changed after Rika’s curse was dispelled, does this indicate some kind of change to his emotional or mental state?
A: I changed it just because it looked too similar to Fushiguro.

Q: Was Okkotsu created as a character first for volume 0? Or did the story and setting come first?
A: I think the character was done as a set with Rika-chan first.

Q: Please tell us the origin of his name.
A: His surname is just because it sounded cool. As for the given name, the meaning of the kanji is pretty spot-on. (*TN: The kanji for yu - 憂 means "to grieve" and "melancholy")

Q: At the time of the battle with Geto, Rika immediately understood Okkotsu’s intentions. Did they share battle tactics for the fight in advance?
A: Rika can see what Okkotsu sees and they are able to share images back and forth.

Q: It was established that cursed spirits can’t be born from jujutsu sorcerers, so how could Okkotsu transform Rika into a vengeful spirit?
A: When I said that cursed spirits aren’t born from jujutsu sorcerers, I was referring to the fact that there is practically no excess discharge of cursed energy from sorcerers, so cursed energy can’t accumulate somewhere and cause the creation of a cursed spirit (since their cursed energy can never accumulate in the first place). Jujutsu sorcerers themselves are capable of turning into cursed spirits so, in Rika’s case, Okkotsu unintentionally latched onto Rika’s soul with his own cursed energy. It’s fundamentally impossible to deliberately keep souls of the deceased from passing on but this caused a binding to occur, like a glitch in the system - because Okkotsu was entirely unconscious about doing it (he truly wants her to pass on peacefully) and due to Rika’s strong desire to be with Okkotsu.

Q: Is there a reason why people involved in the jujutsu world didn't pay attention to any incidents involving Rika for 6 years?
A: At the beginning, there wasn’t a lot of trouble (most incidents were related to his family) but the decisive factor happened before the locker-stuffing scene in volume 0, in which a major incident was investigated and later documented. A few of the jujutsu sorcerers in charge of the investigation were killed. It was then Gojo’s turn to deal with this matter.

Q: How’s the relationship between Yuta and his family now?
A: He keeps in touch with his little sister, as normal. It’s a bit more difficult with his parents.

Q: Okkotsu is a descendant of Sugawara no Michizane, so does this mean Okkotsu and his family are part of a larger jujutsu clan?
A: Okkotsu’s family members are all non-sorcerers. Yuta just awakened something long buried in his lineage.

Q: Did Yuta win the Goodwill Event against the Kyoto school by a landslide because he let Rika out? Or was it Yuta’s ability?
A: He didn’t let Rika out, it was like Rika came out on her own. The clean-up afterwards was hard.

Q: Was Okkotsu still a special grade sorcerer after dispelling Rika’s curse?
A: He came a normal Grade 4 sorcerer. That’s why his uniform was black at the end of Volume 0. (White uniforms are for problem children, so they can be spotted easily from a distance) and then he was reinstated as a Special Grade soon after.

Q: Why does Fushiguro respect Okkotsu?
A: Because Okkotsu doesn’t initiate any ridiculous antics or pranks. He’s ridiculously strong.

Q: Did Okkotsu, as the vessel for Rika, almost get executed by Gakuganji, similarly to Itadori?
A: It hadn’t reached that point yet. Unlike Sukuna, Rika was still a bit of a mystery, so I think the old man was just keeping an eye on them to see how it played out.

Q: Has Okkotsu loved or will he ever love a girl other than Rika-chan?
A: I'm sure he probably will from now on.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Yuta using Black Flash is literally an anime/movie feat... and we used that. Plus Mahoraga regenerating from that doesn't Contradict anything, its viable

my good fellow, there are about 20 seperate anime feats that we do not use some that would bump up mid tiers and top tiers into 7-C to high 7-C in AP and provide top tiers speeds in the high hyper range we don't use them because we have little to no confirmation of Gege's oversight over the anime which makes the anime a tertiary canon meaning we can't use any of the extra material per site rules (trust me if this was not a rule I would already be appling to the calc team simply to calc those anime only feats and get them JJK upgrades)

 

[Sir_sun_man]

 

[YukaSama4]

Fanbook has no information on that (I believe it was from novel which I couldn't find anywhere. Lol)

Spoiler: Fanbook

OKKOTSU YUTA
Tokyo Prefectural Jujutsu Technical College 2nd Year

Hmm weird
Gege wrote on some characters "have some experience with bf" and a few of them didn't do that on screen

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

he's comparable in speed to Hanami who gets tagged by GWE Yuji

there is no proof of this

is largely featless, only successfully damaging an already fatigued and damaged Nanami, Maki, and Naobito (and even then it failed to kill them, Maki survived it relatively okay, Nanami was burnt but continued fighting, and Naobito was hit twice and still was stated to have lived for several hours after before dying to his wounds).

He hit them with some tiiny flames, not any of the attacks he used vs Gojo

and yet when he fights Mahoraga he growing visibly excited merely because Mahoraga could've MAYBE defeated his 3F self

We don't know why he isn't 100% sure. He could've also been talking about if Mahoraga was activated back then, and it could've had a different power level, hence he's not 100% sure of anything happening to make a definitive claim

ALSO the 8f estimate doesn't factor in things like the barrierless domain or "Open " arrows, it's likely a stats statement.

So basically almost everyone is below 10F sukuna.

Where does Maho land then?

It depends what you mean by "below."

It's different to say "you have power on the level of 10 finger sukuna" compared to "you would beat 10 finger Sukuna." No one from the current manga beats 10 finger Sukuna in a fight, but they are faster and stronger

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

After Sukuna lost his hands did he made another BV? seems like he needs to charge it up now

 

[Dr._whiteee]

because we have little to no confirmation of Gege's oversight over the anime which makes the anime a tertiary canon

This isn't true, Gege has been involved of ALL aspects of the anime from th very beginning with explicit oversite. Tertiary canon means no oversite by the original author. So I'm not sure how you'd conclude it's teritary canon, or be comfortable in making the claim he has no supervision over the project, as all evidence points towards the complete opposite.

The team has extensive communication with Shueisha and Gege

The team wanted to remain faithful to the original and had "alot of discussions closely discussing details" with gege and Shueisha. [2]

MAPPA CEO directly confirming Gege's oversite/direct involvement with Seasons 1/2 and the movie.

Appreciation for Gege's involvement in the process of creating the anime

Anime only scenes are created with Gege's approval [2] [3]

Gege themselves talking about their involvement

Gege even being involved with commenting on the direction of the music

Not quite sure how this signals tertiary canon.

 

[YukaSama4]

Sukuna made that statement specifically about Mahoraga because that's what Megumi was about to summon back then which got Sukuna excited

 

[Rosa]

there is no proof of this

Him and Hanami punching at the exact same speed against Gojo

He hit them with some tiiny flames, not any of the attacks he used vs Gojo

Those attacks against Gojo have no AP feats either, and against Naobito he used volcano heads not tiny flames.

ALSO the 8f estimate doesn't factor in things like the barrierless domain or "Open " arrows, it's likely a stats statement.

Why? The statements only ever reference CE volume, never stats.

No one from the current manga beats 10 finger Sukuna in a fight, but they are faster and stronger

Does Gojo not exist?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

After Sukuna lost his hands did he made another BV? seems like he needs to charge it up now

According to Kusakabe, a technique as grand as the World-Cutting Slash "needs a charge-up period or some kind of Binding Vow"

It seems that it needed a charge-up period even before Sukuna made a Binding Vow that added more prerequisites

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Does Gojo not exist?

He’s dead dude. Gojo is not alive in the current Manga

Hanami could’ve gotten stronger or something. Jogo is acknowledged as way faster than Dagon, who can keep up with Nanami and Maki

 

[Rosa]

He’s dead dude. Gojo is not alive in the current Manga

Your wording of "any character in the current manga" is just vague asf then

Hanami could’ve gotten stronger or something. Jogo is acknowledged as way faster than Dagon, who can keep up with Nanami and Maki

GWE Yuji should also be faster than Nanami and Maki via his own scaling chains, so that's not too notable

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Your wording of "any character in the current manga" is just vague asf then

There was a very obvious and invisible "except Gojo"

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Idk, Maximum Meteor could’ve harmed 15F Sukuna

"If it hit" isn't the same as saying it would damage, as Jogo was more so thinking it should have hit Sukuna. Sukuna trolls him. even then, congrats in damaging a casual Sukuna

I mean Kashimo does states Hakari has high output and CE pool which automatically acts as damage reduction. So Maybe true?

i stopped reading it when they say highest output in history. clearly a jjk reader that didn't bother diving deep. because that statement talks about Modern Sendai (correct translation)
next.

People are forgetting that the 3rd finger was released by Kenjaku and the curses just to take a look on Sukuna's abilities
After that they went to the restaurant and Jogo asked Kenjaku how strong I am? Kenjaku said 8 or 9
So no it's not just an assumption from Gojo, Kenjaku as well confirmed that Jogo was stronger than Sukuna at that time

so ce reserves. lol. basically the very same thing mahito said about how jogo has more ce reserves than 3F, yet 3F Sukuna ce control (output) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jogo.
also what? Kenjaku says being generous Jogo then proceeds to face reality (fights Casual Sukuna) and put that generous statement into further question.


lemme give yall a scale
sub 9f sukuna level in ce reserves, shitty as **** output, brain damage, hasn't recovered enough output for rct, no box or domain, is >>>>>>> the verse
Now there's also the 3F meta if you don't like 99% of the verse being below 3F or even 2F.
Megumi compares 3F Sukuna and Toji in speed. Sukuna praises and hypes maho to be 3F level. Clearly the 3F in verse is a very big milestones. Anybody on par or relative or in the same ballpark as Maki/Toji in stats, is 3F level/sub 3F level.

then there's the 15F Sukuna with at least 10% output or less going relative to even outpacing Maki and damaging her to spit out blood(?) with a punch, with that same sukuna even thinking that 10% is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji, who could somewhat keep up with Maki. So 1.5F level Meta.

little to no confirmation of Gege's oversight

anybody that does a careful research would know gege is deeply involved in the anime. pretty obvious if u don't just focus on powerscaling and more so lore related stuff and canon. (no offense)

 

[Rosa]

TBF the 15F Sukuna at "10% output" had a fluctuating power level where at his lowest it was dipping below 10% (with his physicals not going as low as his CT's output), which is reflected in how whenever Sukuna's on the defensive he can block attacks from both Yuji and Maki but when he's on the offensive a holding back Maki can swing him around. So I think Maki / Toji having 3F level stats is very consistent in the context of the fight.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

This isn't true, Gege has been involved of ALL aspects of the anime from th very beginning with explicit oversite. Tertiary canon means no oversite by the original author. So I'm not sure how you'd conclude it's teritary canon, or be comfortable in making the claim he has no supervision over the project, as all evidence points towards the complete opposite.

The team has extensive communication with Shueisha and Gege

The team wanted to remain faithful to the original and had "alot of discussions closely discussing details" with gege and Shueisha. [2]

MAPPA CEO directly confirming Gege's oversite/direct involvement with Seasons 1/2 and the movie.

Appreciation for Gege's involvement in the process of creating the anime

Anime only scenes are created with Gege's approval [2] [3]

Gege themselves talking about their involvement

Gege even being involved with commenting on the direction of the music

Not quite sure how this signals tertiary canon.

W.
wonder why some think it is seperate canon. anime is literally just the manga but with more color and life given (VA, "animated", etc) with added extra scenes being explicitly approved by gege. anything u see being entirely new or altered in anime that u don't see in manga? that's approved. gege wanted it. why? because why wouldn't u want ur story to become better and all that? Gege is all in for it, and happy.
anime is kinda like the revision of the manga if u will. (Which it is) and there are little limits in the anime compared to the manga. (I guarantee you gojo vs sukuna fight will be VASTLY different, why? Because there are far lesser limits, if you get what I mean) hence the additional stuff.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Your wording of "any character in the current manga" is just vague asf then

How is it vague?

GWE Yuji should also be faster than Nanami and Maki via his own scaling chains, so that's not too notable

No. No one even thinks this here. Iirc for people reading, he thinks Yuji got blitzed by todo or something. Yuji never got faster during the GWE to Shibuya, it’s the same Yuji basically, he just added finesse and skill

Nanami punches harder and is equal in speed to Shibuya Yuji

 

[Rosa]

No. No one even thinks this here. Iirc for people reading, he thinks Yuji got blitzed by todo or something. Yuji never got faster during the GWE to Shibuya, it’s the same Yuji basically, he just added finesse and skill

I never said this lmfao. Todo did outspeed Yuji and was very obviously winning their exchange physically, then Yuji learnt to better manipulate his cursed energy and have it flow around his body (literally how CE amps your physicals) and then Gojo even states "woah, Yuji's gotten way stronger!" To say Yuji stagnated is baseless.

Nanami punches harder and is equal in speed to Shibuya Yuji

Ino said Yuji's punch is relative to that of Nanami, which I don't deny Nanami has insane striking power for a grade 1 sorcerer, but there's never any mention of speed.