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Wow Reggie this strong now?
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Yuji gives him a warning strike out of pity
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I mean he is, sukuna compared both yuji and yuta to Ryu in terms of stats (durability mainly but their output is likely close-ish as well since that is part of reinforcement and all that) and that was prior to yuji doing 10 ******* black flashes (with each giving a greater understanding of cursed energy which would make him more adept at using it) by all account yuji should have about equal stats to Ryu if not outright better by the end of the shinjuku show down and unlike Ryu who only has his blasts yuji has two CT's that would be better suited in close quarters than granite blast and unlike Ryu yuji actually has pretty high tier RCT.
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I believe he is physically stronger but he does not win just because of this. He wins thanks to his kit that allows for dura negation attacks and stats effects damage as well. Sukuna compares them but stated that Yuta and Yuji are not more durable than Ryu.
Black Flash amps do not work like that I don’t know why people think Yuji by the end of Shinjuku was stronger when Sukuna stated he was running out of CE to heal (even though he does not spend that much to heal). The Black Flash amp is not permanent and the zone is a temporary buff. Hell at some point Yuji was struggling with RCT right after Maki arrived.
Yuji does not have better stats than Ryu, maybe physical strength but Ryu outclasses in durability.
Giannysmag
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Sukky is domain amped in the first one vs a non domain amped Gojo and the second one isn't a blitz, Gojo was just caught of guard by Sukuna's sure hit being deactivated
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yeah he said "Although, I wouldn't say they surpass him in toughness" they are comperable to him but not quite on that level which is something BF would fix to be honest
yeah that's cuse he was running low on CE, I ain't saying BF's amp the amount of CE you have but verbatum for their explonation provide a "better understanding of the core of CE" which allows for improved reinforcement and CE usage, yuji at the start of the show down vs at the end is weaker with the 10 black flashes allowing yuji to understand CE better and in turn amplify his use of CE to the point where he pulled a domain, Yuji at full strength and stamina by the end of the showdown is considerably stronger than he was at the start of the showdown (not like 2x or anything crazy but like 20-30% stronger give or take)
he has better speed, strength and comperable durability if somewhat inferior.... how is that not better stats?
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Too bad. We dont accept CE amp as a speed amp
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Yeah but you actually need to argue that Yuji would hit a Black Flash first. He couldn’t do it for what, more than 70 chapters or so until the one vs Sukuna?
I think you got this wrong. Understanding better their CE does not mean they’re doing it mid fight. They won’t get a permanent buff on their CE understanding right away.
Kusakabe even mentions that he will teach the basics of Jujutsu to Yuji alongside barriers technique for SD.
Yuji by the end of showdown COULD be stronger than the beginning. But he wasn’t. He was without CE, overall he was weakening just like everyone was weakening with each fight.
Better speed based on what? I actually want to know what you mfs like you, Gin and Elde think about speed to say that there’s a gap between characters that don’t actually have one? Like what makes Yuji faster than Ryu? All these characters move at the same speed dude, unless you have like PS you’re not moving faster than anyone. Durability is not comparable do not try to change what Sukuna said. He was clear that Ryu outclasses both Yuta and Yuji in this.
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Yuji mid diffs. Comparable stats and he hard counters Ryu's main thing, his output, with soul punches
I hate scaling Hakari so I'm ignoring this
Yuji mid diffs. Same deal as Ryu and lightning discharge can be somewhat evaded and weakened with soul punches so it's not an instant gg
Uro hard counters Yuji with Sky Manip so it depends on who wins the domain fight. Since Uro has no feats with her domain and Yuji was switch training with Kusakabe in barrier techniques I'm gonna say he has the better domain and one shots her with dismantle
Yuji no diffs, I don't feel like I need to explain why
Could go either way because of how deadly Ice Manip is but if Yuji gets a black flash combo on them Uraume is cooked
Yuji high diffs. Miguel has arguably better stats because of his CT but he lacks any big moves to put Yuji down + domain probably cooks him
Executioners sword is like his one wincon and even then I'd say Yuji is fast/skilled enough to not get hit. If he doesn't get the ES tho then he gets destroyed even by a CTless Yuji
Honestly at this point I have no idea how to scale Yorozu so imma just say Yuji low diffs cause agenda or smth
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I am 100 meters away from your location and rapidly approaching
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Like how can soeone see Yuta outpacing Yuji when the latter was breaking world records at the start of the series and not assume CE effects speed
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Or when Yuta could not control CE but when he did he blitzed Geto
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You removed Todo but it's understandable...
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Was there a thread for this? Because last time I checked KT made that CE could only amp travel speed lol
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Jujutsu Kaisen - Cursed Energy Enhances Speed
Currently the wiki recongnises cursed energy being able to enhances sorcerers AP and Durability but not their speed. This has led to some debates in several of the speed revisions for the verse, about whether or not CE enhances speed, so i gathered all the evidence proving so in this blog...
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Shit so ******* stupid. Like, are we saying that Yuta's travel speed can speedbliz his own punches? lol
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Wdym?
Arkenis
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Here in the JJK vsbattle sphere we get shit done! Even if its nonsense...How did that get rejected tf
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We only accept that CE can amp travel speed
Yuta's travel speed can blitz Geto who could keep up in combat against Yuta previously
So Yuta's travel speed can speedbliz his own punch
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That aint even travel speed it’s movement speed
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We get things done like Gege!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh yea that's stupid, which is why my thread was for all types of speed to be influenced by CE
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I'm just joking, but I do agree with him for the most part. That crt needs to be redone anyway also
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Honestly it should be pretty obvious CE amps combat speed even just by Geto's description (CE enhances both physical abilities and all the senses which are two aspects of combat/reaction speed)
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I ain't talking about him hitting a BF vs ryu (although possible)
nah man getting off black flashes does give you a permanent improvement but not a massive 20% boost but more so just a better understanding of CE in general allowing for more practical usage and application hence why yuji was always stronger after he hit black flashes, with yuji being stronger at the start of shibuya than he was in goodwil and him being stronger post shibuya per choso's statements, yuji post these 10 black flashes is also stronger but not by some massive 4-8 times like some people claim he didn't climb to the level of sukuna although he was getting stronger (per sukuna's own words mind you) it'd be more like a perma amp of like 10-15% after 10 back to back BFs
I mean yeah kusakabe has a better grasp of CE control than Yuji, since ya know the guy has like 20 years of expirence on yuji, just hitting a couple of black flashes ain't gonna take that gap and get rid of it, so it ain't like yuji didn't know the basics its just his basics where further refined by kusakabe (since ya know yuji even prior to the whole swap training was stronger than kusakabe)
my guy I am talking about yuji at the end with full stamina and CE reserve a yuji with all the abilities he gained post awakening with a full CE tank not the fully tuckered out yuji, it ain't like we are slapping a perma limit on him by saying he is out of CE and stamina in his awakened key.
dude yuta had better showings of combat and reaction speed than ryu, with him being able to deflect and dodge ryu's blasts without much issue throughout the fight but anytime those blasts where thrown back at him he couldn't dodge for shit and in the final exchange yuta manages to defelect the granite blast the moment his CT comes back smashes ryu in the chest with ice breaker and proceeds to go for an exchange of blows where he lands a considerbaly larger amount of hits against ryu (5 from yuta and 2 from ryu).
So we have yuta prior to shinjuku who is weaker in all regards (and as such somewhat slower) being faster than ryu and post awakening yuji being faster than yuta by a small margin. So yeah yuji is faster than Ryu not by an insane insta blitz margin but by like 15-20%
dude come on now Yuta was actually hurting Ryu with basic punches like sure both yuji and yuta have less durability but not by some incomparable extent, cuse if that was the case yuta who has both less output and durbality than ryu would just not be hurting the bastard yet, yuta's regular strikes where hurting him, hell per sukuna's own words he comperes the two too ryu but says they ain't quite there yet.
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When?
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their final exchange, yuta also threw in two kicks prior to this which ryu had to block
Arkenis
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That blood is from Rika, he's not hurting him here. Blocking stuff doesn't mean it'll hurt.
their final exchange, yuta also threw in two kicks prior to this which ryu had to block
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I’m not saying Yuji doesn’t get stronger after them I’m saying this isn’t something that happens mid fight. No one hits a Black Flash and gets a perma buff like you’re saying. They enter the zone and they get a temporary buff as long as they keep hitting Black Flashes.
Yuji gets stronger the more he hits BF because he also train like he did with Todo.
The point is, no one hits a BF and gets a perma buff like this. It gives you a momentary buff and then increases your understanding of CE.
I’m not comparing Kusakabe with Yuji I’m saying that even after all of that Kusakabe was still teaching him the basics. In the CG arc after all the buffs he got he still couldn’t infuse stuff with CE which is like, basic stuff.
well then be clearer about it next time because you say that EoShinjuku Yuji is stronger but this Yuji was the most ****** up he was in the whole manga.
Elde level of interpretation. Uro clearly accelerated the GB back to Ryu and hit him. Yuta and Ryu are equal in reaction and combat speed as none had any sort of advantage against the other.
Never happened. They’re equal.
Not true again.
Not really. They’re the same speed as none of these characters have any advantage in speed against the other and never will tbh. You never see Yuji outspeeding someone in an exchange of punches.
The scan you linked to Arkenis was the ending of their fight when Ryu took multiple attacks from everyone.
The only thing that damaged Ryu was Rika’s punches (who can punch Sukuna around and hold his arms still), his own Granite Blast and Thin Ice Breaker that ignores the defenses. So no.
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you know not bleeding from being punched or kick doesn't mean you ain't getting hurt right?
oh and thanks for reminding me of rika cuse:
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So not Yuta?you know not bleeding from being punched or kick doesn't mean you ain't getting hurt right?
oh and thanks for reminding me of rika cuse:
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Doesn't Sukuna say something like "Is he intending to climb to my level" when Yuji was hitting all the BFs which would imply some sort if permanent buff
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Sorry I won’t take such a vague statement like this to be the definitive answer to such a complex topic.
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Through the bf amps he can level up to Sukuna's level but its not permanent. And honestly this is funny for scaling since he's done like 5 already meaning, prior to it, Yuji's output was abysmal lmao.
