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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis said:
Daily reminder, Gege is colorblind.
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Gege's colour blindness seems to be protanopia given how frequently he'll colour red things as white or yellowish (Yuji's hair is a big example), in which case blue shades should be his most distinguishable and vibrant with him seeing green as just yellow, so drawing a blue thing as green is definitely odd for him.
 
Arkenis said:
Daily reminder, Gege is colorblind.
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Pls Arkenis...
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Where do we stand on Yuji scaling to current Sukuna? In ch257 we got a lot of stuff about Yuji closing that gap and then ch258/9 has Sukuna using his ultimate move, implying even if Yuji isn't equal to Sukuna he's at least able to press Sukuna enough to feel the need to go all out, but then ch260 we see Yuji and Todo being relative and also fighting a CT burn out Sukuna (which weakens your stats) and when Sukuna recovered he immediately back handed Yuji away.

So:
  • Option 1: Yuji is relative to Sukuna, CT burn out isn't that big of a nerf, Todo upscaling go brrrrrr
  • Option 2: Yuji was scary due to his BF punches, Yuji and Todo aren't relative to Sukuna in stats and CT burn out is a substantial nerf
  • Option 3: Yuji was relative to Sukuna but his conviction is still shaken and so he's nerfed, CT burn out is still significant and Todo doesn't upscale
 
Burnout doesn't weaken the stats I believe, just makes CT hard to control.

Now, I don't think we have anything solid right now that puts Yuji at Sukuna's level. What we have is something that argues for Yuji being able to get to his level. But without something more clearly outlining that Sukuna is either back at that level of his peak or that his output hasn't dropped to that insane of degree from Yuji hitting all these punches. A combination of 1 and 2 are likely. While Todo could be argued to upscale as he's clearly been training, his way of fighting and when he came in makes it hard to know where he places. Likely will probably be the best bet, as he's at least able to hurt this weakened Sukuna and while Yuji might be having some output drop seeing as he chose not to heal his eye just yet, there's something there.

Though, if we're going to end up treating output and reinforcement as unrelated, then you could maybe argue that means everyone's hitting relative to Sukuna as output dropping has been emphasized not reinforcement dropping so food for thought.

Also, reading the chapter now, nice to get confirmation the binding vow Sukuna took was to make his Domain last 99 seconds in order to maintain his open barrier domain. Also neat learning that apparently gojo and Yuta swapped was a neat detail, and supplements why Yuta had such refined control of his domain. I thought it was thanks to Hakari, but Gojo is definitely a better choice if the option was given.
 
Rosa said:
Where do we stand on Yuji scaling to current Sukuna? In ch257 we got a lot of stuff about Yuji closing that gap and then ch258/9 has Sukuna using his ultimate move, implying even if Yuji isn't equal to Sukuna he's at least able to press Sukuna enough to feel the need to go all out, but then ch260 we see Yuji and Todo being relative and also fighting a CT burn out Sukuna (which weakens your stats) and when Sukuna recovered he immediately back handed Yuji away.

So:
  • Option 1: Yuji is relative to Sukuna, CT burn out isn't that big of a nerf, Todo upscaling go brrrrrr
  • Option 2: Yuji was scary due to his BF punches, Yuji and Todo aren't relative to Sukuna in stats and CT burn out is a substantial nerf
  • Option 3: Yuji was relative to Sukuna but his conviction is still shaken and so he's nerfed, CT burn out is still significant and Todo doesn't upscale
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2. Yuji wasn't doing much even after the bf amps, and with the aid of Todo making it impossible for Sukuna to fight in a regular 2v1 they definitely don't scale.
 
Rosa said:
Where do we stand on Yuji scaling to current Sukuna? In ch257 we got a lot of stuff about Yuji closing that gap and then ch258/9 has Sukuna using his ultimate move, implying even if Yuji isn't equal to Sukuna he's at least able to press Sukuna enough to feel the need to go all out, but then ch260 we see Yuji and Todo being relative and also fighting a CT burn out Sukuna (which weakens your stats) and when Sukuna recovered he immediately back handed Yuji away.

So:
  • Option 1: Yuji is relative to Sukuna, CT burn out isn't that big of a nerf, Todo upscaling go brrrrrr
  • Option 2: Yuji was scary due to his BF punches, Yuji and Todo aren't relative to Sukuna in stats and CT burn out is a substantial nerf
  • Option 3: Yuji was relative to Sukuna but his conviction is still shaken and so he's nerfed, CT burn out is still significant and Todo doesn't upscale
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I don't think anyone other than Gojo is relative to Sukuna. Yuji is around Yuta & Kenny's level for sure. Also as far as I remember Todo didn't even put a scratch on Sukuna. Wasn't he was just swapping Sukuna. Also I remember him kicking Sukuna once but don't see any damage.
 
Rosa said:
I've curious on how weakened you think Sukuna is, me personally I unironically think 3F Sukuna would beat the current version (and I also think 3F Sukuna would beat 95% of the verse)
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Honestly it depends on how strong Yujo is. If he is anywere close to the actual Gojo in stats, then Sukuna would have to be at least like 15-16F to not get immedeatly stat stomped. But if he just has the stats of regular Yuta then i'd say he is somewhere in the 8-10F range
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't think anyone other than Gojo is relative to Sukuna. Yuji is around Yuta & Kenny's level for sure. Also as far as I remember Todo didn't even put a scratch on Sukuna. Wasn't he was just swapping Sukuna. Also I remember him kicking Sukuna once but don't see any damage.
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Todo drew blood with a kick
Rosa said:
I've curious on how weakened you think Sukuna is, me personally I unironically think 3F Sukuna would beat the current version (and I also think 3F Sukuna would beat 95% of the verse)
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Where does this idea come from? That Sukuna from the Fearsome Womb arc is a top tier of the verse.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Where does this idea come from? That Sukuna from the Fearsome Womb arc is a top tier of the verse.
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Assume that the fingers scale additively, so 2F is literally just 2x that of 1F and so on. This assumption isn't very well founded, we can only really prove Sukuna gets vaguely stronger with each finger, however I believe it to be a common sense and conservative assumption for the time being.

10% of 16F Sukuna = 1.6F Sukuna, this Sukuna was able to fight against both Maki and Yuji simultaneously and was outperforming them.

After the Gojo fight, Sukuna should be halved in terms of CE output. This is because FP Gojo's red can kill Mahoraga in one go meanwhile BF amped brain damaged Gojo's fully enchanted red couldn't in part due to decreasing output (200% - since I think Gojo's chants were solo in ch223 and Utahime was amplifying Ijichii's barrier given the statements and narrative significance of it, although if you want to say Gojo's chants are 120% that's fine too it'll just make Sukuna's output at around 80% and not halved).

Yuji's soul punches decrease Sukuna's output and can bring it down to such a level that Megumi can seize control over the vessel, or he should've done if not for Yorozu's death, implying Sukuna's control over the vessel post-Yuta is below even the nerf in ch215, yet physically he's still a powerhouse whilst holding back.

This is ignoring also the damage done to him by Gojo's HP, Yuta's Jacob's Ladder, Maki's soul damage, Yuji's further soul punches, and the overall physical damage and fatigue he'd have.

Further, the only characters with statements relating to 3F Sukuna are Jogo and Mahoraga. Mahoraga has a solid narrative of being a top tier so I'm fine with it, Jogo's statements individually aren't that strong and can be interpreted to be his CE reserves or in reference to his upper output limit (maximum technique) which scales WAY higher than his own stats or other techniques.
 
Regarding Todo's case it's most likely blood from the part where Sukuna not healed. Even before that kick his face damage is already visible. So idk. I mean his right face was half ripped off by Yuji's blood manipulation. A kick drawing blood from that shouldn't be hard.
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The scaling is weird in this arc

We have Miguel, who is comparable to Gojo without Blue
But he can't oneshot a dying Sukuna

And then we have Todo kicking Sukuna
We could say that Sukuna was weaker, but then Yujo shows up

Then one could say that Yujo is weaker than Gojo, which is fine, but it doesnt make sense for him to be way weaker than Miguel
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
The scaling is weird in this arc

We have Miguel, who is comparable to Gojo without Blue
But he can't oneshot a dying Sukuna

And then we have Todo kicking Sukuna
We could say that Sukuna was weaker, but then Yujo shows up

Then one could say that Yujo is weaker than Gojo, which is fine, but it doesnt make sense for him to be way weaker than Miguel
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I just chalk it up to Sukuna's output constantly dropping up and back down, between his black flashes and Yuji's soul punches. I don't really think current Sukuna should be used for scaling tbh
 
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