Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[SuperStar]

Rosa and Guac try not to argue every 5 seconds (Challenge Impossible)

 

[Duedate8898]

Is anyone interested in doing Hakari and Kashimo's stats for my revision

I'm very biased against them and I don't want to do it myself because of that

I can do it. Though also, they're pretty easy in terms of AP scaling I would think

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Small Town level (Comparable to Hakari)

Small Town level (Comparable to Kashimo)

Really easy

 

[M3X_2.0]

I can do it. Though also, they're pretty easy in terms of AP scaling I would think

It’s basically the comment above really, I don’t really know what they can scale off. They were both newly introduced characters to the series when they fought and had no feats whatsoever, and Hakari remained featless and Kashimo died.

 

[Giannysmag]

It’s basically the comment above really, I don’t really know what they can scale off. They were both newly introduced characters to the series when they fought and had no feats whatsoever, and Hakari remained featless and Kashimo died.

Are we giving Hakari a Shinjuku Key? Cause if not you can just scale him to Yuta and Maki by him being considered a "heavy hitter" of Jujutsu High

 

[Duedate8898]

It’s basically the comment above really, I don’t really know what they can scale off. They were both newly introduced characters to the series when they fought and had no feats whatsoever, and Hakari remained featless and Kashimo died.

I mean statements put Hakari relative to Yuta (Yuta, Todo, and Hakari). Hakari is able to damage Post-Shibuya Yuji without Jackpot, and even take a hit without issue. Hakari with Jackpot can contend with and damage the likes of Uruame (whose got scaling to the likes of Choso).

And Kashimo gets to scale above base hakari to his Jackpot counterpart. Not that hard

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Are we giving Hakari a Shinjuku Key? Cause if not you can just scale him to Yuta and Maki by him being considered a "heavy hitter" of Jujutsu High

There are also 2 statement which puts his sts on Kenjaku level (Not saying he beats Kenny though. Just sts).

 

[Giannysmag]

There are also 2 statement which puts his sts on Kenjaku level (Not saying he beats him though. Just sts).

I'm sure there are elde. Hakari also outscales Yuta right

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think it's better to just update Kashimo's profile & wait for Hakari vs Uraume to end.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Kobeni(CSM) Vs Miwa(JJK) - (0-0-0)

Rules Speed is Equalized. Both have their standard equipment. Starting Distance: 10 Meters. SBA. Results: Votes: "I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE!!!" "Miwa the useless here." Incon:

vsbattles.com

 

[M3X_2.0]

Are we giving Hakari a Shinjuku Key? Cause if not you can just scale him to Yuta and Maki by him being considered a "heavy hitter" of Jujutsu High

As of now, no.

I mean statements put Hakari relative to Yuta (Yuta, Todo, and Hakari). Hakari is able to damage Post-Shibuya Yuji without Jackpot, and even take a hit without issue. Hakari with Jackpot can contend with and damage the likes of Uruame (whose got scaling to the likes of Choso).

And Kashimo gets to scale above base hakari to his Jackpot counterpart. Not that hard

One of these statements were debunked in the same panel though, and the other came from the same source, so I don't really know. Yuta's feats in general are just much better than Hakari's. I have to reread the Yuji part because I'm pretty sure he wasn't fighting back. Fighting Uraume is fine but she barely has any physical feat from what I remember.

If we're gonna scale him to Yuji, which I don't really oppose to (but want to make sure it's reliable), then fine. That's what I have for this specific version of Yuji:

Attack Potency: TBD (Was strengthened by Kenjaku in preparation for the culling games[50]. Along with his unreal physical strength, Itadori mastered a fluid control over his cursed energy, impressing Choso and one-shotting a low level Curse effortlessly[51]. Capable of physically matching Yuta[52], who was surging with cursed energy[53], even when holding back in their battle[54], although Yuta was also holding back on killing him, due to Gojo's request. Slammed Haba through several floors[55]), TBD with Black Flash

There are also 2 statement which puts his sts on Kenjaku level (Not saying he beats Kenny though. Just sts).

Where

 

[M3X_2.0]

Hakari vs Uraume to end.

 

[Giannysmag]

Watch Gege switch POV to those two this chapter

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Uraume vs Hakari is gonna last for two pages next chapter with Hakari mocking Uraume about Yuta(Gojo)'s return and she is gonna start wanking Sukuna saying how mid everyone is next to him

 

[Woomica]

You are right, they should be FTL

Infinite speed*

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Infinite speed*

lets just skip 2 steps and bring back irrelavant speed just for them ay?

 

[Giannysmag]

lets just skip 2 steps and bring back irrelavant speed just for them ay?

Gojo is enlightened, meaning he scales to the mythological Buddha who escaped from Samsara and is thus removed from the concept of time

 

[Woomica]

lets just skip 2 steps and bring back irrelavant speed just for them ay?

First bring back irrelevant speed on the wiki then we cook that

 

[Arkenis]

Hot take:
JJK became better after it stopped being about Megumi, Yuji, and Nobara and became about Yuji and the other sorcerers dealing with whatever the **** is happening instead of Yuji and Nobara acting dumb asf for bad comedy purposes

I disagree, it takes away from a more interesting story I think. It would've been a lot more fulfilling seeing them turn into proper grade 1s and then bringing that into what the story has become. Gege just abandons Megumi's hinted growth to come, drops Nobara's cursed tech that targets the soul, something only Yuji and Sukuna could do, and instead dove into Shibuya.

 

[Giannysmag]

I love Shibuya as an arc in a vacuum, but i can definately agree that it robbed us of a lot of intersting directions for the story to go

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I love Shibuya as an arc in a vacuum, but i can definately agree that it robbed us of a lot of intersting directions for the story to go

Jujutsu Kaisen if Gege explored the world before diving into Shibuya

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I've said this before. The story can go in the same direction even with more events and arcs in between Gojo's Past and Shibuya while actually exploring story elements that just get handwaved out of the story before they're even elaborated on, such as the Big Three Clans

 

[Duedate8898]

That form of JJK died when Yuji died. As much as people complain about it, the main reason we don't get that exploration like that is because JJK was nearly axed when it was trying to do stuff like that with the intro arc. The idea of more arcs might've been in Gege's head at one point, but as seen with how Shibuya and Post Shibuya took a toll on his health, and how early the manga nearly died, the ability to have a longer story like that just isn't going to work for him.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Japanese audiences love mid (they rate KNY)

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Hakari remained featless and Kashimo died

This is the one big place where I disagree with M3x currently

Hakari being unknown makes no sense, and what does make sense is him being relative to Yuta or Maki in terms of physicality

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

They were compared throughout the story, so Hakari is certainly on a similar level

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

One of these statements were debunked in the same panel though, and the other came from the same source, so I don't really know. Yuta's feats in general are just much better than Hakari's.

Well, Ryu also has better stats than Yuta, but look at what happened. Yuta does have better feats. Also, saying Maki's words are more trustworthy than Gojo's is just wrong, who constantly puts Hakari around Yuta's level, and Yuta states Hakari is stronger than him when he is on a roll (i.e., Jackpot). (Raws doesn't states worked up instead of states roll so Yuta was specific about his statement) This is not something to do with being generous. If he were being generous, he wouldn't need to specify when Hakari is stronger than him. You think being stronger means winning, which is why you are not taking Yuta's statement seriously, but look at the point of Ryu vs. Yuta's fight. Being stronger doesn't mean they win. Maki has zero credibility here because she hates Hakari. That's also a factor to consider. Not to mention it's unlikely she knows about Jackpot. Nor she witnessed him going at someone seriously. (We shouldn't take some haters words seriously).

You can also write it down as Maki was talking about Yuta wins against Hakari while Yuta was talking about pure strength.(though I personally don't think this)

Where

Kenny's heavy hitters statement (Kenny only chances to freely move around means they are threat to him though)and Yuta states that until Yuta and Hakari are there, Kenny can't complete the merger because both of them are Culling Game players, there was Angel. still yuta consider only him and Hakari. and he needs to deal with them (context). Despite Higuruma and Yuji also being there, this puts Hakari above Culling Game Yuji, who fought alongside Sukuna. Yuji and Higuruma are also Culling Game players, but Yuta never suggested that Kenny would have any problems with them.

You can also use the fact Gojo always kinda implies both of them being relative on several occasions by bringing them up despite Hakari quit jujutsu high. He is considered to be the only guy alongside Yuta having potential to reach his heights despite Yuki was also there as a SG.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Nah man sorry I won't let Hakari's whole AP being that he's "equal" to Yuta. Won't happen.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

We also got one of this other than Manga

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

We also got one of this other than Manga

Actually there was another one not this. I'll try to find it later. Though even if Hakari gets downplayed currently we can discuss this when series ends. I don't have plans to make JJK threads until series ends. So that shit gonna have to wait.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Nah man sorry I won't let Hakari's whole AP being that he's "equal" to Yuta. Won't happen.

It’s sad because you don’t have a good argument for it, it’s just bias

Not to disrespect you, but a lot of the decisions made are very arbitrary. This includes stuff like not scaling teen Gojo to someone like Nanami or Yuji in physicality, despite there being really solid evidence that he does just because “Nanami has insane ss for a grade 1”

Hakari being sub-Yuta level in terms of physicality makes little sense when you consider the fact that Yuta doesn’t even have superb output, and Hakari isn’t noted to have sloppy CE control with that same “infinite” CE pool

 

[Arkenis]

I think giving Hakari At Least, and Likely higher is fine for him scaling to Maki and Yuta, there's nothing definite for him being that high though. Gotta remember Maki and Yuta are basically the strongest rn, they have direct scaling to Sukuna. Hakari doesn't have much feats for ap that scale to them, he struggled with making Kashimo bleed for most of the fight. I believe he did it maybe three times and it was just from the mouth, so in output he's not as high as it seems even with Kashimo implying it but this has no comparison besides Panda...

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Hakari doesn't have much feats for ap that scale to them, he struggled with making Kashimo bleed for most of the fight.

Now that's just cap. He drew blood from him multiple times and had him visibly bleeding mid-way through their battle

 

[Arkenis]

Now that's just cap. He drew blood from him multiple times and had him visibly bleeding mid-way through their battle

I could be wrong, but last I read it was little blood and few instances of doing anything serious.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Not to disrespect you, but a lot of the decisions made are very arbitrary. This includes stuff like not scaling teen Gojo to someone like Nanami or Yuji in physicality, despite there being really solid evidence that he does just because “Nanami has insane ss for a grade 1”

I take issue with this too. Especially because the note also says "Mei Mei has insane SS for a Grade 1." Mei Mei, who only ever attacks with a giant fuckoff axe

 

[M3X_2.0]

It’s sad because you don’t have a good argument for it, it’s just bias

Not to disrespect you, but a lot of the decisions made are very arbitrary. This includes stuff like not scaling teen Gojo to someone like Nanami or Yuji in physicality, despite there being really solid evidence that he does just because “Nanami has insane ss for a grade 1”

Hakari being sub-Yuta level in terms of physicality makes little sense when you consider the fact that Yuta doesn’t even have superb output, and Hakari isn’t noted to have sloppy CE control with that same “infinite” CE pool

Brother this is a general thread, I won't spend my time arguing for nothing here.

 

[Arkenis]

It’s sad because you don’t have a good argument for it, it’s just bias

Not to disrespect you, but a lot of the decisions made are very arbitrary. This includes stuff like not scaling teen Gojo to someone like Nanami or Yuji in physicality, despite there being really solid evidence that he does just because “Nanami has insane ss for a grade 1”

Hakari being sub-Yuta level in terms of physicality makes little sense when you consider the fact that Yuta doesn’t even have superb output, and Hakari isn’t noted to have sloppy CE control with that same “infinite” CE pool

I think before using statements, we should just go with feats Hakari has shown for his output instead. What makes Teen Gojo scale to Nanami and Yuji? That Gojo generally has zero SS feats sadly, we know Nanami to be a model Grade 1, doesn't make sense to say Gojo scale to top 5 Grade 1 without any feats. Should keep in mind, the era Gojo was in, little is known, and sorcerers like mei mei, nanami, kusakabe, naobito, ino, etc weren't where they are now

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I could be wrong, but last I read it was little blood and few instances of doing anything serious.

First face punch that was intercepted by Kashimo's staff launched him through multiple shipping containers and gave him a nosebleed. Another one launched him agains and drew blood from his mouth. A lot of Hakari's punches were demonstrably heavy as shown by Kashimo's reactions

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I think before using statements, we should just go with feats Hakari has shown for his output instead. What makes Teen Gojo scale to Nanami and Yuji? That Gojo generally has zero SS feats sadly, we know Nanami to be a model Grade 1, doesn't make sense to say Gojo scale to top 5 Grade 1 without any feats. Should keep in mind, the era Gojo was in, little is known, and sorcerers like mei mei, nanami, kusakabe, naobito, ino, etc weren't where they are now

Nanami being a model grade 1 is in regard to what a grade 1 should be. It isn't about him being an exceptionally strong grade 1, especially when you consider that Gojo suggests the scale would be different if he included the big three clans in the discussion

 

[Duedate8898]

Nah man sorry I won't let Hakari's whole AP being that he's "equal" to Yuta. Won't happen.

It doesn't even have to be that though. Damaging post-shibuya Yuji (someone able to tank a hit from Yuta and even match reinforcement with a knife) tanking a hit from Yuji, and being able to damage Uruame should all be enough to get him scaling to the high tiers. The statements are just further support to help make these tiers more solid.