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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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ReaperAndBlues
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Just give Yuji a f**king Domain Gege. C'mon. Bro brought back Yuta in Gojo's body and use his domain, but you can't even let Yuji have anything past Arts and Crafts Shrine and only-better-than-Kamo Blood Manip?
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Yuta seems to be a prodigy when it comes to barriers, not gonna lie. He got his Domain way too early considering that most sorcerers don’t even get one, and managed to close the barriers. He can move his Domain and select the targets of the sure-hit, something not even Gojo or Sukuna could do.
I think he knows how to counter because he watched the fight against Gojo.
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I am a writer and I also study writing. Gege is definitely a "competent" writer for the work he's done on the series overall, particularly in earlier arcs like Shibuya and coming up with the story and concept in general, but I think it's quite absurd to say the story is currently going in a good direction.
There are multiple problems atm.
A big one is that the Sukuna fight was and is horrendously drawn out and repetitive. Quite a few chapters followed the same structure of throwing someone at Sukuna, giving them the spotlight for a couple panels, and then ultimately having Sukuna come out on top - ending with a cliff hanger for the next guy. Rinse and repeat. It just resulted in this waiting game for the meaningful characters to come out and do something. It's pretty boring. Not to mention, the fact that this is just all fights leads the audience to not care about any of the less important characters whatsoever beyond their powers and skills.
Everything since the Gojo fight up to this point has been extremely predictable and quite meaningless lol.
Also, regarding protagonists and Yuji. The best protagonists (at least in my eyes, though I think most people would agree) are proactive protagonists that drive the story with their actions. Yuji isn't that at all. Yuji is a reactive protagonist who responds to things other people do, which definitely isn't bad inherently, but we barely even get to see him react to anything right now because it seems there's always someone else in the spotlight - often someone the audience really doesn't care about, mind you. Really it does lead to Yuji feeling a little... minor? It's quite obtuse.
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Don't forget to mark spoilers.
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I think Yuta's domain skills are partially to blame on Hakari, and what he's doing with Gojo now is partially because of Gojo’s body. The soul swapping was cheating and now Six Eyes combined with the skills trained into Gojo’s body does the heavy lifting he'd otherwise have to do.
Not to say he isn't a prodigy because he is, just that he has more than just watching the gojo fight to figure things out.
Also, I think Yuta might’ve revealed that Kenjaku's domain might’ve been Geto's, just without a barrier since Yuta is able to do Gojo’s. Though probably not too likely
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I think Yuta's domain skills are partially to blame on Hakari, and what he's doing with Gojo now is partially because of Gojo’s body. The soul swapping was cheating and now Six Eyes combined with the skills trained into Gojo’s body does the heavy lifting he'd otherwise have to do.
Not to say he isn't a prodigy because he is, just that he has more than just watching the gojo fight to figure things out.
Also, I think Yuta might’ve revealed that Kenjaku's domain might’ve been Geto's, just without a barrier since Yuta is able to do Gojo’s. Though probably not too likely
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Agreed. I think Satoru himself didn't have a Domain when he was the same age as Yuta (17), meaning Yuta may possibly be a greater prodigy than he was, which was offset by Satoru having Six Eyes that made him so good at CE control and efficiency and made Limitless so busted. Now, in his body, Yuta/Gokkotsu also has access to what made a difference between the two.
True, he knows how that fight went and he wouldn't show up like this without a counter against it, I was just saying counter might be a borderless domain of his own. Not much of a stretch given he's already good at barrier techniques + may have gained access to Kenjaku's memories. He can also restrict sure-hit to Sukuna only so Yuji and Todo are safe from UV probably
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Indeed he did not. He was still working on it even after the Toji fight. Yuta is overall a more complete and realized sorcerer than Gojo was at the same age.
Yeah, I actually want to see how strong Yuta gets when he has the same advantage Satoru had over everyone. I believe Six Eyes is everything Yuta ever needed to close the gap against the top 2.
Gege didn’t make Yuta narrate half of the fight and give insights about some stuff for nothing. The usage of RCT to heal the CT burnout is something he realized before everyone and may actually try it, so by the same logic he should also have a better understanding about Malevolent Shrine and counter it. Be it by making Unlimited Void barrierless or busting the shrine inside the MS.
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As a writer myself, I can agree that from the peaks that JJK isn't "mindless", but right now? It's kinda dogass.
A lot of new-gen writers have this issue, you know Deku vs Shigaraki? That's still going on right now. Shit makes Namek feel short.
The only good twist was the one of Sukuna being Yuji's uncle but even then it didn't really shock me.
Agreed as well. Yuji feels like a polar opposite to how Ichigo plays out since Ichigo's influence in Bleach is MASSIVE, even when other characters have their moments, when he takes center stage, you know he's HIM. His theme is literally called Number One
Reactive protagionists kinda get boring because you have the jokes about "X character isn't the main character, X character is." And it gets pretty annoying when everyone has their moments that drive the story but the MC has to play catchup. Even when Ichigo wasn't directly involved in FKT, he was fighting Ulquiorra, and that fight on it's own was absolutely peak, straight up one of the best in animanga. Meanwhile Yuji is MIA doing f all except vague offscreen training to finish off the main villan after he got weaker
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Most definitely a matter of taste here. Like sure you don't like it but that doesn't make any of what you're asserting as your opinion as the common truth. Like when I say Gege is competent literary I don't mean it in the sense that I'm enjoyong all of this, i mean so in the sense that Gege understands his own story and keeps showing it.
This entire final arc has time and time again called back to and built off of ,any big and at the time small details to work itself out. There is a clear attention to detail that reveals that either the outline of all of this was created and paid attention to or that Gege knows how to improvise and then integrate his improv to make it feel whole. (Oda is the best current mangaka example of the latter)
Many chekhov guns primed in the series have been fired since the start of the series.
Economic storytelling by rolling plotpoints and lines into one another organically to help reign things in. Also in cutting down on excessive downtime.
Also a good grasp of writing tropes and an understanding in how to invert them for your own purpose.
JJK knows what story it is. And Gege knows what the story is. And Gege gives plenty of details to understand it.
Whether or not we understand that isn't as important. Because we're not all the right readers for it. And we won't always be the right readers for it. Because JJK doesn't really change to accommodate readers. There's more focus on the work as art than as entertainment.
Entertainment wise, I can definitely agree it rises and drops but that isn't a matter of it being poorly written. That's a matter of it not always fitting my personal taste. Which is what most of the complaints you or many others levied come down to.
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This is only true if you strip away all of the nuances, character writing, and story building between each interaction whilst also further ignoring the gradual successes in working towards their end goal. The Gojo fight was constantly introducing new elements with Gojo and Sukuna respectively gaining wins over the other, then Kashimo's fight which I will admit is the weakest amongst the fights thus far but even in there we get to see Sukuna forced into his true form and character building for both characters (good character building), then Higuruma removed Sukuna's CT before also concluding his own character arc which has been gradually progressing, then Yuta came in and progressed the fight by a wide margin with him then outsmarting Sukuna in the final moments to allow Maki to rush in, who also made progress, then Kusakabe was able to stall with his own vital character moments, etc. The only shared quality here is that characters come in after each other, which isn't "repetitive" if each character is bringing something completely unique to the table not just in how they weaken Sukuna but in how they also demonstrate their own character development and unravel the themes of this battle. The fight has also only been less than 40 chapters (including Gojo vs Sukuna) which isn't that long for a Shonen fight in the final climatic arc.
This also isn't true. In powerscaling communities like this there's obviously going to be a hyper fixation on the scaling aspect, but literally branch out into any other platform and you'll see otherwise with Gege dedicating entire chapters to the exploration of these characters.
Predicable yet who's predicting the events of the next chapter? There's obvious niche cases like the one Japanese fan who went viral for predicting Todo is going to use a vibraslap due to the specific and unique sound effect, but by in large the community hasn't been effectively predicting anything besides minor W's. The closest thing so far was the theory of Yuta inheriting the six eyes being validated, but even then no one suspected it would be done like this with these sort of draw backs.
Please reread this arc. The only time Yuji wasn't the focus was during Gojo and Kashimo's battle, but let's focus on everything preceding. Yuji was the one responsible for weakening Sukuna massively, it was Yuji who Sukuna was focusing his hatred on, it was Yuji who was ideologically challenging and getting in the head of Sukuna (something no else has done), with Yuta literally only surviving in the domain fight due to the soul weakening done by Yuji, then Yuji quickly awakens and begins to outshine everyone with him pressing Sukuna beyond what anyone else could. You're saying Yuta overshadowed Yuji this chapter, but this chapter was literally almost solely a flash back with no combat, Yuji will be vital next chapter too. Yuji has been the focus this entire war, you're blind if you can't see that as Gege has dedicated several chapters worth of characters commenting on that fact.
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I just want to point out how big the double standard is against JJK too. Literally any war arc in shonen is given a length battle sequence, with varying characters jumping in at certain times, side characters having pivotal roles, the villain dominating, but when Gege does it suddenly it's "repetitive", "stretched out", "mindless". Ya'll need to just drop the series, it's obvious nothing Gege could do will satisfy anyone of you - this is also coming from someone who didn't even like this chapter and thinks it was a weak plot twist.
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We hated Naruto's war arc for this very reason, JJK isn't special. Also, this isn't much of a "war arc" more like a raid boss. I feel as if it's gonna end the same way too with Tengen still being a mystery, but hopefully Gege read up on that mistake of Kishimoto and will avoid going that route
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Naruto spoilers:
People who think the Sukuna fight is dragged out, imagine what we had to go through to see Madara defeated. Madara fought a sizeable portion of the Shinobi Alliance (Temari, Naruto, Gaara, Oonoki), then the five Kage (Gaara, Oonoki, Ay, Mei, Tsunade), then against Naruto, Killer B, Guy and Kakashi, then the rest of the Shinobi Alliance showed up to fight him, then Hashirama showed up to fight him, then he got revived, fought Sasuke, Tobirama and all nine Tailed Beasts, powered up further, then he fought Minato, Obito, 8th Gate Guy, then Naruto and Sasuke showed back up again and fought him alongside Kakashi and Sakura. And finally even Black Zetsu showed up to fight him.
All in all, Madara must have fought like over thirty named characters, sometimes multiple times over the course of the battle, over a period of a hundred chapters.
All in all, Madara must have fought like over thirty named characters, sometimes multiple times over the course of the battle, over a period of a hundred chapters.
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I do believe Namek Saga and this final war in MHA are about the same amount of chapters
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all that just to get killed by Kaguya, a character that was poorly foreshadowed and killed all the hype. It's like the Final Fantasy disease where some games cough 10 cough cough has a final boss completely unrelated to the story.
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At least Namek ended lol. The war arc is still happening now (at least it's slowing down from what I've seen, I don't follow MHA)
Also not sugarcoating it, Namek didn't need to be that long, 5 minutes my ass Frieza
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While this is true, we still had a lot of different plots going on at the same time, and IIRC Kishimoto didn’t write the Madara fight in one go. We would occasionally switch to different PoVs in the war, different fights and actually some meaningful development like Sasuke’s meet with Itachi, their fight with Kabuto etc.
At one point Naruto had 3 big plots and fights:
- Naruto, Kakashi, Bee and Guy Vs Obito and the 7 Bijūs
- Madara Vs the 5 Kages
- Itachi and Sasuke Vs Kabuto
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literally who has criticised Naruto's war arc in the same fashion? The animanga community almost unanimously praises Naruto's war arc and there's a reason it was a top seller of shonen jump, with the only wide scale criticism being Kaguya's introduction removing all of the weight (which which hasn't happened in JJK at all).
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We did also have Kenjaku as an interlude in the Sukuna fight at least. It hasn't been nonstop Sukuna since he and Gojo started fighting.
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You definitely aren't following it because it's about ended since last week. The final fight between Shigi and Deku is also about 30 chapters, just like the final fight with Frieza.
And manga wise that's only eight chapters the five minutes bit
Edit: that is ignoring chapters in between away from the pair
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It just goes to show how having different plots to break the pacing a bit is good. Kenjaku Vs Takaba was necessary as **** given how cluttered the current story is in terms of repetition. A shame it lasted not that long. Uraume Vs Hakari could’ve been used to break the pace a little bit but I believe Gege regretted this fight lol.
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I don't share that experience. Many people I've seen lambasted Naruto's war arc for being a mess pacing wise and how Kishimoto was writing himself into a corner (also for having Boruto pick up on said concept but that's for another day) I for one haven't touched Naruto in years since I finished it in 2021, and one of the reasons is the war arc. The only thing that saved the war arc was Madara's presence as a villain. Also what M3X said about Itachi and Sasuke.
I'll admit I didn't keep up, I thought it still wasn't over.
And even then, we complained about. Although now it wouldn't hurt at all. I wish it happened after we progressed through some of Yuji vs Sukuna instead of right before, but that's just me.
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Anyways, I'm going to sleep, it's 4am.
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COME ON @Giannysmag WAKE UP
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The issue with this is in the Sukuna fight each strategy they employ builds upon the previous one, meaning taking breaks could disrupt the reader following along with why certain strategies are able to function now as opposed to before (even now you have people doing that), but I do agree Gege needs to give Hakari vs Uraume spotlight given we've only been given like 1 chapter of that fight so far.
If that's your opinion then sure. Although with the Itachi vs Sasuke thing, the war arc only really had break away sections near the start, once Madara joined with Obito (chapter 601) to when Madara died (chapter 678) it was just constant fighting against Madara and Obito (both on the same battlefield). Meanwhile Gojo was unsealed on chapter 221, and we're at chapter 261, with that including their preparation, Gojo v Sukuna, Kenjaku v Takaba, the Sukuna onslaught, and brief showings of Uraume v Hakari.
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THE BLOODY INSIGHT FROM BLOODBORN YOU TARNISHED HOLLOW I WAS RIIIIGHHT!!
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oh btw we do have the whole yujikuna and megumna so now we got:
Yuta and Gojo so would it be Yujo? or Gota? I am taking Gota.
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Let me tell you guys a story.
Today i had a math test in school and since i was so sure of Gojo's return I decided to not read the leaks when i woke up but rather wait until i had returned home, you know like a little treat after writting a difficult test. After the test was done i actually ended up going out with some friends and just hanging out for a bit. Well while hanging out, one of my friends noticed a post from one of their friends saying that Gojo was done. I freeze, how could this have happened? I had invested so much in this agenda and not only was it all crumbling around me but i didn't even get to look at the leaks myself first. I got spoiled by a friend of friend.
I rush back home to check the leaks as defeat, sadness and rage all fill my body. Even still i held on to some hope, some hope that maybe we interpreted the post wrong and there was still a chance of Gojo's return. I open the door, rush to my computer and check Discord and sure enough, it wasn't Gojo. Normally i would have been furious, how could Gregory Akutami do this to me he had already taken so much that i'd loved and now he just took away my favourite thing in the series for a second time. But i wasn't mad for some reason.
I begun to think, maybe JJK doesn't need Gojo front and center to be a great series. Maybe my hype and agenda had blinded me from other equally interesting possibilities for the story to go. Gojo died 8 months ago, at a time when i was just starting the most academically difficult and tiring school year of my life and despite how much shit i give the series, reading JJK weekly and watching as season 2 was coming out was one of the things that kept pulling me through the tough days. And theorising about Gojo's return was one of the most engaging things. Trying to pull together every little piece of symbolism and eveidence to find some semblence of a reason for his return was just so fun and really isn't that the reason for any piece of media's existance? Fun, it is fun reading JJK despite the frustration, it is fun theorizing and trying to outwite Gege
@M3X_2.0 congrats for finally getting that Yuta W and @Sir_sun_man i admit defeat, Gojo is dead
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hey what can I say good on you for the growth of character there
Still though not only was I right in our bet but I was right on what was happening, it is yuta and he didn't just Nab gojo's eyes he Nabbed his whole ******* flow like DAMN!
I put everything on green and boy OH B O O O O Y! did it hit green
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Wrote a whole ass essay lmfaaaaaooooooooooooooooo
Let me tell you guys a story.
Today i had a math test in school and since i was so sure of Gojo's return I decided to not read the leaks when i woke up but rather wait until i had returned home, you know like a little treat after writting a difficult test. After the test was done i actually ended up going out with some friends and just hanging out for a bit. Well while hanging out, one of my friends noticed a post from one of their friends saying that Gojo was done. I freeze, how could this have happened? I had invested so much in this agenda and not only was it all crumbling around me but i didn't even get to look at the leaks myself first. I got spoiled by a friend of friend.
I rush back home to check the leaks as defeat, sadness and rage all fill my body. Even still i held on to some hope, some hope that maybe we interpreted the post wrong and there was still a chance of Gojo's return. I open the door, rush to my computer and check Discord and sure enough, it wasn't Gojo. Normally i would have been furious, how could Gregory Akutami do this to me he had already taken so much that i'd loved and now he just took away my favourite thing in the series for a second time. But i wasn't mad for some reason.
I begun to think, maybe JJK doesn't need Gojo front and center to be a great series. Maybe my hype and agenda had blinded me from other equally interesting possibilities for the story to go. Gojo died 8 months ago, at a time when i was just starting the most academically difficult and tiring school year of my life and despite how much shit i give the series, reading JJK weekly and watching as season 2 was coming out was one of the things that kept pulling me through the tough days. And theorising about Gojo's return was one of the most engaging things. Trying to pull together every little piece of symbolism and eveidence to find some semblence of a reason for his return was just so fun and really isn't that the reason for any piece of media's existance? Fun, it is fun reading JJK despite the frustration, it is fun theorizing and trying to outwite Gege
@M3X_2.0 congrats for finally getting that Yuta W and @Sir_sun_man i admit defeat, Gojo is dead
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Ok sentimetallity for this series aside, **** Gege for sidelinning Yuji again, man got literally swatted away like a fly
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Ok sentimetallity for this series aside, **** Gege for sidelinning Yuji again, man got literally swatted away like a fly
I am a tad bit not happy about that either but I am coming off a high of a win to the power of 2.5 so I am incapable of full hating right now.
Although I'd give it time I feel like we gonna see some more (the foreshadowing of what exactly will happen when yuta's 5 mins are up is still a little bit of a fright).
Although I'd give it time I feel like we gonna see some more (the foreshadowing of what exactly will happen when yuta's 5 mins are up is still a little bit of a fright).
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My thoughts on the chapter honestly. I get what it was going for, but honestly, I just don't know how I feel about the execution of it.
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honestly spot on
I like this writing choice overall (still hope yuji outshines it in the end though)
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Hot take, but I feel Yuji has probably a high chance of dying at the end. With the whole motif of him wanting a death surrounded by loved ones, I think somehow, he'll beat Sukuna by sacrificing his life.
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Bro is not okay anymore
Let me tell you guys a story.
Today i had a math test in school and since i was so sure of Gojo's return I decided to not read the leaks when i woke up but rather wait until i had returned home, you know like a little treat after writting a difficult test. After the test was done i actually ended up going out with some friends and just hanging out for a bit. Well while hanging out, one of my friends noticed a post from one of their friends saying that Gojo was done. I freeze, how could this have happened? I had invested so much in this agenda and not only was it all crumbling around me but i didn't even get to look at the leaks myself first. I got spoiled by a friend of friend.
I rush back home to check the leaks as defeat, sadness and rage all fill my body. Even still i held on to some hope, some hope that maybe we interpreted the post wrong and there was still a chance of Gojo's return. I open the door, rush to my computer and check Discord and sure enough, it wasn't Gojo. Normally i would have been furious, how could Gregory Akutami do this to me he had already taken so much that i'd loved and now he just took away my favourite thing in the series for a second time. But i wasn't mad for some reason.
I begun to think, maybe JJK doesn't need Gojo front and center to be a great series. Maybe my hype and agenda had blinded me from other equally interesting possibilities for the story to go. Gojo died 8 months ago, at a time when i was just starting the most academically difficult and tiring school year of my life and despite how much shit i give the series, reading JJK weekly and watching as season 2 was coming out was one of the things that kept pulling me through the tough days. And theorising about Gojo's return was one of the most engaging things. Trying to pull together every little piece of symbolism and eveidence to find some semblence of a reason for his return was just so fun and really isn't that the reason for any piece of media's existance? Fun, it is fun reading JJK despite the frustration, it is fun theorizing and trying to outwite Gege
@M3X_2.0 congrats for finally getting that Yuta W and @Sir_sun_man i admit defeat, Gojo is dead
