Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[ExSENNA]

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I personally see this chapter as a considerable character development for Yuta. He really stands on business.

Yuta saw Satoru die, and immediately understood what this meant and locked in. He killed Kenjaku, pulled up to fight Sukuna himself, lost but survived long enough to use Kenjaku CT to transplant on Satoru, forming Yutoru/Gokkotsu.

There is really no limit in terms of how far Yuta can go to get the job done

The fans have their own theories and expectations (almost all of which revolve around Satoru's fate) and when that doesn't happen they call it bad writing

 

[Arkenis]

I think the formula of "throw every character at the main villain" just needs to be done away with in war arcs honestly. Aizen's jumping was the least tasteless one I've read. There wasn't a dragging of the captains vs Aizen, he destroyed them all in five chapters, no reason to give literally every side character their time to shine in a damn war arc when it should be about the main characters. This fight should've been Yuji, Gojo (done well), Yuta, and maybe Maki or Hakari either together or one by one. Why tf is Larue and Miguel showing up? What is Choso, Ino, and Kusakabe doing here? What's the point of Kashimo dying without contributing? He made Sukuna use his real body? Yuta, Hakari, Hig, Maki are all there to fit that role.

 

[M3X_2.0]

What's the point of Kashimo dying without contributing?

He has his own arc, he was never supposed to help Jujutsu High.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this

 

[Damage3245]

Kashimo also did contribute; he forced Sukuna into using his one-time partial heal in the form of manifesting his true form.

Better that he does that than throwing any of the others in first.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Kashimo died without contributing anything? In which manga?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I think we should kill arkenis

 

[BadSystems]

Kashimo died without contributing anything? In which manga?

Jujutsu Kaisen, it's pretty big I'm surprised you haven't heard of it

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Jujutsu Kaisen, it's pretty big I'm surprised you haven't heard of it

Damn, I could have sworn he contributed substantial crops for the era he was from, making him the most bountiful farmer from history.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

I think we should kill arkenis

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Jujutsu Kaisen, it's pretty big I'm surprised you haven't heard of it

No it was in Burrito.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Kashimo also did contribute; he forced Sukuna into using his one-time partial heal in the form of manifesting his true form.

Better that he does that than throwing any of the others in first.

Well let's see what happens without Kashimo...

Yuji and Higgy jump Sukuna and get him into the domain
Yuji is re-tried with Sukuna
Sukuna guilty
Kamutoke taken away
Sukuna can either make do with his vessel or reincarnate and do what he did in 245

Now I don't doubt he can make do with his ****** up vessel if he goes tryhard mode but it's so much more convenient for his lacksidaisical personality to just reincarnate atp

In other words, Kashimo didn't do anything that wasn't likely to happen otherwise

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I think we should kill arkenis

Agreed. He called Frieren a "random magic anime"

 

[BadSystems]

Damn, I could have sworn he contributed substantial crops for the era he was from, making him the most bountiful farmer from history.

That's what the mainstream media tells you.

 

[Arkenis]

He has his own arc, he was never supposed to help Jujutsu High.

Not the point and a poorly executed arc. Dude deadass rejects the strongest way of life after wondering for so long about it and gained nothing from it.

 

[JnSteHar002]

I think the formula of "throw every character at the main villain" just needs to be done away with in war arcs honestly. Aizen's jumping was the least tasteless one I've read. There wasn't a dragging of the captains vs Aizen, he destroyed them all in five chapters, no reason to give literally every side character their time to shine in a damn war arc when it should be about the main characters. This fight should've been Yuji, Gojo (done well), Yuta, and maybe Maki or Hakari either together or one by one. Why tf is Larue and Miguel showing up? What is Choso, Ino, and Kusakabe doing here? What's the point of Kashimo dying without contributing? He made Sukuna use his real body? Yuta, Hakari, Hig, Maki are all there to fit that role.

I still like that trope but Gege may have written himself into a corner at that point. I imagine he has a solid idea of how this will end but he's made Sukuna (or well Heian Era Sukuna) as OP as the series hype around him has. I still find it awesome but it will take quite a bit to get a conclusion that I and the rest of the audience will be onboard w/.

The fight b/w Kashimo and Sukuna was short, it did some important things or at least stuff I liked:

• Bring out one of Sukuna's biggest trump cards that he was deliberately hiding to avoid giving away any other secrets that the main cast can use against him. Sukuna is still an incredibly dangerous threat and has become potentially more powerful than before, he still has to be careful on how he uses his power while being weary of what everyone's capable off. It's like a subtle hope that Sukuna being pushed this far means Yuji and the gang have a chance!
• Kashimo actual technique/capabilities were "limiting" and a bit of a let down, I still liked that design and what we got. (We could've gotten SO MCUH MORE, SO MUCH, there's technically lightspeed in JJK)
• The conversation b/w Sukuna and Kashimo. As much of a battle crazed maniacs they both are, we see there different takes on the theme of "Absolute Strength equals Absolute Solitude". Sukuna and Gojo are on different sides to answering that conundrum (Gojo working towards building up strong allies to avoid loneliness and Sukuna embracing it by relying only on himself and his desires), they both are 100% assured of themselves and have staked their lives, nay, their very existence on them. Meanwhile, Kashimo is sorta at that fork in the road. Despite truly loving the thrill of battle where lives are on the line, he questions those two paths and looks for answer that can give him peace. And Sukuna gets to demonstrate how he's very well a level of Evil beyond redemption or even understanding really!

 

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[Arkenis]

I still like that trope but Gege may have written himself into a corner at that point. I imagine he has a solid idea of how this will end but he's made Sukuna (or well Heian Era Sukuna) as OP as the series hype around him has. I still find it awesome but it will take quite a bit to get a conclusion that I and the rest of the audience will be onboard w/.

That's the thing, this fight could've ended without needing to bring back Gojo. There's no reason Yuta, Hakari, Maki, Yuji pulling up on a weak Sukuna who can't even one shot Ryu level durability couldn't have won. Why is Maki coming in the last second? Why is Uraume and Hakari fight lasting so long? Its blatant that Gege knows if all four came to fight it'd be over and he simply can't have Sukuna go out like that. Ya just gotta accept he dragged this fight.

• Bring out one of Sukuna's biggest trump cards that he was deliberately hiding to avoid giving away any other secrets that the main cast can use against him. Sukuna is still an incredibly dangerous threat and has become potentially more powerful than before, he still has to be careful on how he uses his power while being weary of what everyone's capable off. It's like a subtle hope that Sukuna being pushed this far means Yuji and the gang have a chance!

Yuta, Maki, Hakari could've done it.

• Kashimo actual technique/capabilities were "limiting" and a bit of a let down, I still liked that design and what we got. (We could've gotten SO MCUH MORE, SO MUCH, there's technically lightspeed in JJK)

Yeah it should've been a longer fight. It just lessens what Kashimo was, the Gojo of his era.

• The conversation b/w Sukuna and Kashimo. As much of a battle crazed maniacs they both are, we see there different takes on the theme of "Absolute Strength equals Absolute Solitude". Sukuna and Gojo are on different sides to answering that conundrum (Gojo working towards building up strong allies to avoid loneliness and Sukuna embracing it by relying only on himself and his desires), they both are 100% assured of themselves and have staked their lives, nay, their very existence on them. Meanwhile, Kashimo is sorta at that fork in the road. Despite truly loving the thrill of battle where lives are on the line, he questions those two paths and looks for answer that can give him peace. And Sukuna gets to demonstrate how he's very well a level of Evil beyond redemption or even understanding really!

It definitely answers Kashimo's question but that's it... there isn't more to it. And to make it worse, when Kashimo does get his answer he ends up finding it boring lmao. How can you find that interesting or cool for his character?

 

[Rosa]

This war arc just wasn't it, he tried giving a lot worth a little, killing just about every character for little to no reason, making characters get the spotlight just to be useless in the end, needless deaths, Choso? Hig? Yuta?

Notice how none of these were needless deaths, but instead their deaths done in a way to complete their character arc and impact the surrounding cast (excluding Yuta since he hasn't died). Higuruma's character was one of guilt and the losing of oneself and ones principles, thing Higuruma regained and proved to himself through putting his life on the line - which includes death. Choso in a very similar way, as you'll notice both of them also are deeply tied to this notion of humanity - even Yuta. These are consistent themes being represented through the characters where their deaths carry with them weight, impact, and thematic relevance.

You've brought this grievance up several times too. You complain that Gege "overuses" his side characters (gives them pivotal roles), you complain when Gege "side-lines" his side characters (removes them from the story peacefully), and you complain when Gege kills his side characters. What do you want Gege to do differently?

"Oh no they all contributed to beating Sukuna in some way" ways in which we see amount to little as Sukuna always has some reveal about a binding vow, some skill that brushes it off.

Sukuna hasn't brushed off his nerfs at all, they're having very real consequences on his performance throughout. The only BV he's made is being able to alter things like hand signs, which come with massive drawbacks which only further weaken his techniques. That's how weakening a villain should be, it's not going to be a linear progression and it's going to be gradual, with each character doing their part in unique ways.

The big threes were dropped, trashed, and attacked for their war arcs being bad or dropping the quality in story overall. This is just a normal thing with war arcs and some will like the endless fights, the spotlight moments, jumpings of the main villain, and others won't. It's got nothing to do with a double standard.

I never see this.

 

[Arkenis]

Notice how none of these were needless deaths, but instead their deaths done in a way to complete their character arc and impact the surrounding cast (excluding Yuta since he hasn't died). Higuruma's character was one of guilt and the losing of oneself and ones principles, thing Higuruma regained and proved to himself through putting his life on the line - which includes death. Choso in a very similar way, as you'll notice both of them also are deeply tied to this notion of humanity - even Yuta. These are consistent themes being represented through the characters where their deaths carry with them weight, impact, and thematic relevance.

And yet none of this requires death.

You've brought this grievance up several times too. You complain that Gege "overuses" his side characters (gives them pivotal roles), you complain when Gege "side-lines" his side characters (removes them from the story peacefully), and you complain when Gege kills his side characters. What do you want Gege to do differently?

None of these are contradicting? He overuses them in the final arc. When did I say he sidelines his side characters? And "removes them from the story peacefully" who did he remove peacefully that I've talked about? And I complain when he kills side characters randomly for no reason like Yuki, Ryu, Yorozu.

I never see this.

You may not have been on the internet for a long time, but I assure you Bleach and Naruto were both lambasted for their war arc to this day. Maybe not exactly how JJK is, but still so and for more important aspects.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well let's see what happens without Kashimo...



Now I don't doubt he can make do with his ****** up vessel if he goes tryhard mode but it's so much more convenient for his lacksidaisical personality to just reincarnate atp

In other words, Kashimo didn't do anything that wasn't likely to happen otherwise

Just so that you know Kashimo was able to keep up with True form Sukuna's speed. Like Yuji and Higgy were getting blitzed by it. Meguna legs were fine on their own. I don't see Higgy and Yuji tagging True form Sukuna without Yuta's support. Yuji only landed clean hits after Yuta's support mind you.

Also Currently Sukuna is in even worst state than Meguna because of heart and Soul damage. I don't know why you people are putting Kashimo below Higgy and Pre awakening Yuji. LMAO this is just Downplaying him. Even Awakened Yuji is hardly keeping up with half dead Sukuna.

 

[Nierre]

Ok sentimetallity for this series aside, **** Gege for sidelinning Yuji again, man got literally swatted away like a fly

gojo's so god damn fine yo

i remember people saying gege's lost his touch with that illustration of gojo, but he still got it

 

[Arkenis]

gojo's so god damn fine yo

i remember people saying gege's lost his touch with that illustration of gojo, but he still got it

Still dont think anything’s surpassed the moment Sukuna’s domain breaks and Gojo is jumping back

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

In the next chapters the debate about Heian Era Sukuna vs Gojo will probably end btw

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

In fact, lmao, its basically a dying Sukuna without some arms + can't use World Split vs A version of Gojo that can probably use other multiple CTs beyond Limitless

Idk what Gege will pull for Sukuna

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

In fact, lmao, its basically a dying Sukuna without some arms + can't use World Split vs A version of Gojo that can probably use other multiple CTs beyond Limitless

Idk what Gege will pull for Sukuna

Yuta was saying he can't change domain conditions like Gojo right? May be he loses in DE and Gets smoked by Furance? Gege has chance to do one of the funniest shit. Just bringing up Gojo's corpse back to battlefield just to get cremented

 

[M3X_2.0]

Just so that you know Kashimo was able to keep up with True form Sukuna's speed.

You’re being way too generous. He got constantly blitzed by Sukuna and never landed a hit. Everything got blocked. He also barely dodged attacks that Sukuna warned him before.

 

[Arkenis]

fact.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

fact.

I legit do not understand what do you want in posting that x series is > Y in a thread about Y series
Its just dumb. What you want? Attention?

 

[Arkenis]

I legit do not understand what do you want in posting that x series is > Y in a thread about Y series
Its just dumb. What you want? Attention?

Just discussion about both series or playful banter about them.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I legit do not understand what do you want in posting that x series is > Y in a thread about Y series
Its just dumb. What you want? Attention?

Ta nervoso?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Ta nervoso?

Para de ser Zé ruela

 

[Gokukid2005]

MFW they nuke Sukuna but he comes back as an even stronger cursed spirit (No one other than Shoko can output RCT, the world is ******)

If Sukuna becomes a cursed spirit Yuta would one shot him

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

If Sukuna becomes a cursed spirit Yuta would one shot him

Forget Yuta, Mahoraga would spank Sukuna into the core of the earth

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

You’re being way too generous. He got constantly blitzed by Sukuna and never landed a hit. Everything got blocked. He also barely dodged attacks that Sukuna warned him before.

Just so that you know Kashimo was able to keep up with True form Sukuna's speed.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You’re being way too generous. He got constantly blitzed by Sukuna and never landed a hit. Everything got blocked. He also barely dodged attacks that Sukuna warned him before.

I think Blizted is a big words overall. Choso got blizted and become a Donut and Yuji couldn't keep up with his speed while Kashimo was able to react to Sukuna's speed when he tried to blitz him using Lightning from Kumatake as Smokescreen. Offcourse he got beaten down to pulp because of 2 arms catching him and 2 arms beating him down but I'm talking about his speed. Dodging WS isn't what I was talking about.

We already know Choso only able to keep up with Sukuna when he was nerfed by Yuji's punches, Heart damage and losing a hand. Except for Yuta I don't see others making Sukuna go into his true form there.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think Blizted is a big words overall. Choso got blizted and become a Donut and Yuji couldn't keep up with his speed while Kashimo was able to react to Sukuna's speed when he tried to blitz him using Lightning from Kumatake as Smokescreen. Offcourse he got beaten down to pulp because of 2 arms catching him and 2 arms beating him down but I'm talking about his speed. Dodging WS isn't what I was talking about.

We already know Choso only able to keep up with Sukuna when he was nerfed by Yuji's punches, Heart damage and losing a hand. Except for Yuta I don't see others making Sukuna go into his true form there.

I don't think you are gonna admit you are wrong because of your hate for Kashimo whatever brother. All I see is people desperately trying to push different Agenda's.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I don't think you are gonna admit you are wrong because of your hate for Kashimo whatever brother. All I see is people desperately trying to push different Agenda's.

What agenda? I was being completely fair and objective about my assessment of the scenario and making fun of your choice words, which—by the way—go on and on about "vs True Form Sukuna" and not what would happen without Kashimo, which is what I was talking about

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah it's Completely fair when you are saying Higgy & Pre awakening Yuji tagging Meguna who has his high output & CE efficiency & large CE pool than current weakened Sukuna who has heart problems & soul damages which he needs to be healed. Constant beatdown from Yuji's soul punches & nerfed CE output. Even Choso could react to current Sukuna & use blood manipulation to defend while got blitzed by Sukuna which Kashimo fought.

My whole point is Other than Yuta none of the jujutsu high had any chances of making Meguna true form.

 

[Arkenis]

My whole point is Other than Yuta none of the jujutsu high had any chances of making Meguna true form.

You are so caught up in what's shown already that you can't visualize a different scenario playing out. Maki, Hakari, Yuta all being heavy hitters, making Kenjaku unable to act unless distracted, their very plan if Gojo died, was for all them to jump him, it would've been done well by Gege to have Yuji and Maki or Yuta and Hakari or any version of pairing to fight weakened Sukuna to push him to go into true form without killing Kashimo. Sadly, Gege wrote a pointless character that served little purpose in the manga besides Sukuna's philosophy being told which could've been through other characters like we've seen time and time again or even Uraume, or maybe in the Gojo fight.