Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sir_Marvulous]

Eh, destroying Mahoraga doesn't mean you're destroying the wheel as well. The flames didn't destroy the wheel but it was enough to destroy Mahoraga.

Also, both Red and Flames destroying Mahoraga doesn't mean they're comparable. They're both killing him, they don't necessarily deal the same damage. They just deal enough damage to kill him, but that's it. Mahoraga also isn't Low 7-B.

Red should scale above Sukuna's durability, as well as Mahoraga's. That's it.

That and Low 7-B isn't sticking around anyway

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah more like High 7-C, I just disagree with the scaling regardless of the rating.

 

[Rosa]

We don't know how Gojo performed the earthquake feat.

Gojo was fighting random curses left by Kenjaku, unless you think Kenjaku had curse spirits that could genuinely force Gojo to go all out and press him (unlikely given their heavily consistent and vast power gap) then Gojo was likely using casual attacks similar to his fight with the disaster curses. At best, however, you can say Gojo used a hollow purple, in which case his other attacks aren't that much weaker than when using Sukuna as a measuring stick.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Gojo was fighting random curses left by Kenjaku, unless you think Kenjaku had curse spirits that could genuinely force Gojo to go all out and press him (unlikely given their heavily consistent and vast power gap) then Gojo was likely using casual attacks similar to his fight with the disaster curses. At best, however, you can say Gojo used a hollow purple, in which case his other attacks aren't that much weaker than when using Sukuna as a measuring stick.

How could you say Gojo couldn't have been going all out and then say that he used Purple against Kenjaku's curses in the same sentence?

 

[Rosa]

How could you say Gojo couldn't have been going all out and then say that he used Purple against Kenjaku's curses in the same sentence?

I'm saying even if you want to assert he was going all out, then at best he'd have used purple which we can still backscale from.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Gojo was fighting random curses left by Kenjaku, unless you think Kenjaku had curse spirits that could genuinely force Gojo to go all out and press him (unlikely given their heavily consistent and vast power gap) then Gojo was likely using casual attacks similar to his fight with the disaster curses. At best, however, you can say Gojo used a hollow purple, in which case his other attacks aren't that much weaker than when using Sukuna as a measuring stick.

He was not fighting random curses. Kenjaku left one cursed spirit as a detector. Gojo probably just one tapped it but that’s most likely not the cause of the earthquake. Gojo could also just used a blast of Red/Blue like in 0 when a curse was bothering him fighting Miguel.

Still, we need to figure out what caused this earthquake because if it’s anything below Red it can be multiplied by 2.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'm saying even if you want to assert he was going all out, then at best he'd have used purple which we can still backscale from.

Doubt that he'd use it against detector curses. And I don't like the idea of back-scaling him from his strongest ability that is an extension technique

He was not fighting random curses. Kenjaku left one cursed spirit as a detector. Gojo probably just one tapped it but that’s most likely not the cause of the earthquake. Gojo could also just used a blast of Red/Blue like in 0 when a curse was bothering him fighting Miguel.

Still, we need to figure out what caused this earthquake because if it’s anything below Red it can be multiplied by 2.

My person conjecture is that he used Red on the curse in 0 cuz the AoE meant he'd exorcise it entirely, given that he didn't have the patience to deal with it (he was pissed)

As for his release from the Prison Realm, TCB's translation reads that Kenjaku placed multiple curses to detect if Gojo broke free. Both translations say they were beneath the layers of seals Kenjaku put on the Prison Realm. So these curses were most likely small and insignificant power-wise. From this, I'd say he definitely didn't use Red

 

[eibwen]

how did asshoraga only comes to deflect to slashes but at the same time can expand its technique to split the ******* world?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

how did asshoraga only comes to deflect to slashes but at the same time can expand its technique to split the ******* world?

Probably because of the sheer difference between an untamed Mahoraga summoned by Megumi in comparison to a Mahoraga that was summoned from Sukuna's shadow instead and had adapted to neutral Limitless

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

how did asshoraga only comes to deflect to slashes but at the same time can expand its technique to split the ******* world?

Mahoraga was adapting to Gojo for nine chapters until the world split slash
Mahoraga's fight against Sukuna lasted less than 2 chapters

The level of adaptation would be different, and even so, if it wasnt for the Fire Arrow, Sukuna would have probably lost

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

NGL I change my mind about Yuta holding back vs Yuji. The only way he wasn't is if Naoya is dumb as f*ck. Naoya was ******** himself after just seeing Yuta show up, and move


I'm sorry but, Naoya BAD BLITZED Yuji, so there's no way that Yuta without even using Rika would be scary to Naoya if he can bad blitz him too.

You can't have Yuta ~ Yuji in speed, while having Naoya >>> Yuji in speed, without having Noya >>>> Yuta and having Naoya BAD BLITZ Yuta too. He'd be an idiot for fearing him. With a well-placed punch to the face at mach 1, he'd beat him from what he knows, lol

It's only for my personal scaling though, TBF. I'm not going to every try and make a crt on here or anything about any of my takes

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It's only for my personal scaling though, TBF. I'm not going to every try and make a crt on here or anything about any of my takes

I'm fairly certain most people here share the same view

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Given that the weight of the fact that Yuta having more than him implies that his is an impressively high benchmark, is it a fair interpretation that Gojo has the third highest reserve of Cursed Energy?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Naoya ain't punching through Yuta even if you argue Naoya speed > Yuta's speed.

Curse Naoya couldn't even punch through half awakened Maki with his mach 3 speed. Saying Transonic Naoya punches through Yuta's durability is kinda nah ha.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

To be honest… I give 3rd most to Mahito. He used his technique to transfigure upwards of hundreds of humans, went blow for blow with Yuji AFTER splitting himself, going against Nobara, then Todo, before expanding Domain, then against Yuji again.

Nothing explicitly stating he’s got the 3rd most, but it’s just me glazing.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I've always assumed that Gojo has the third most because other than the fact that it's naturally the most likely guess, the statements about Yuta's Cursed Energy in relation to his imply he would otherwise have the highest amount out of anyone of the modern era

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I've always assumed that Gojo has the third most because other than the fact that it's naturally the most likely guess, the statements about Yuta's Cursed Energy in relation to his imply he would otherwise have the highest amount out of anyone of the modern era

Most likely Dagon has third most CE reserves. Or Geto because of how much cursed spirits he had.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Now that I think about it, how many Cursed Energy reserves can we put on a proper scale?

One thing I remember is Jogo having more than 3F Sukuna and presumably having 8-9F level

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Most likely Dagon has third most CE reserves. Or Geto because of how much cursed spirits he had.

I mean like just from themself. Their personal total Cursed Energy

 

[Duedate8898]

I just realized it looks like Miwa is on the field protecting Maki from Sukuna's domain. That's pretty cool

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Now that I think about it, how many Cursed Energy reserves can we put on a proper scale?

One thing I remember is Jogo having more than 3F Sukuna and presumably having 8-9F level

Jogoat case maybe his AP is on 8-9F level not CE

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I mean like just from themself. Their personal total Cursed Energy

Geto uses his CE to manipulate curses right? Atleast Kenny was inducing his CE into Cursed spirits. I think he has larger amount than Gojo.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Geto uses his CE to manipulate curses right? Atleast Kenny was inducing his CE into Cursed spirits. I think he has larger amount than Gojo.

Geto doesn't even do that lmao

You're making more of a case for Kenny

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Geto doesn't even do that lmao

You're making more of a case for Kenny

Geto's body same CE as per what Gojo states.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

NGL, I'd say Gojo.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

NGL, I'd say Gojo.

lol do they know what they're asking

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

NGL, I'd say Gojo.

NGL, I'd say True form Sukuna stomps

 

[Giannysmag]

NGL, I'd say Gojo.

Meguna loses, true form Sukuna wins

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Even true form is a debate given Gojo is skilled enough and has fast enough reflexes to go band for band with 120% Sukuna while his own domain and CT were burnt out and while he was using RCT at full throttle and drowning in slashes

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gojo would get Kashimo 2.0 treatment lol.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gojo was using SD most of the time which we know effects of Opponent techniques. Sukuna wasn't amped by his domain throughout the fight. Next chapter we literally see Sukuna hanging around with Gojo even though he has his infinity active. Despite both domain sure hit cancelled each others. I feel like people just skips through important things and reads only whatever they want.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Gojo was using SD most of the time which we know effects of Opponent techniques. Sukuna wasn't amped by his domain throughout the fight. Next chapter we literally see Sukuna hanging around with Gojo even though he has his infinity active. Despite both domain sure hit cancelled each others. I feel like people just skips through important things and reads only whatever they want.

A Simple Domain that got destroyed before Gojo could even throw out a punch...

...and had pretty much nothing to do with the hand-to-hand interactions at all

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

A Simple Domain that got destroyed before Gojo could even throw out a punch...

...and had pretty much nothing to do with the hand-to-hand interactions at all

I don't see any H2H dominance there and SD wasn't destroyed completely. Read the pages again it was there for sometime it was slowly getting destroyed so Gojo's SD was active overall.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I don't see any H2H dominance there and SD wasn't destroyed. Read the pages again it was there for sometime it was slowly getting destroyed so Gojo's SD was active overall.

Dawg no one says Gojo dominates 120% Sukuna in h2h. It's that he can keep up despite Sukuna being at 120%, him getting slashed at endlessly, and using RCT at full throttle. Sukuna even says Gojo moves pretty well despite the aforementioned adversities

Also, it wasn't destroyed? Excuse me? Did you NOT read the process of events?

"Even still, against a real domain, the only thing a Simple Domain will do is buy you some time." -> simple domain immediately gone and Gojo gets covered in slashes -> simple domain 2 yada yada

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Dawg no one says Gojo dominates 120% Sukuna in h2h. It's that he can keep up despite him being at 120% and getting slashed at endlessly

Not really when Sukuna jumped to stop Gojo, Gojo activates SD and started fighting so his slashes didn't reached Gojo at all the time.

Also, it wasn't destroyed? Excuse me? Did you NOT read the process of events?

I don't see any H2H dominance there and SD wasn't destroyed completely. Read the pages again it was there for sometime it was slowly getting destroyed so Gojo's SD was active overall.

^ so it's effects were still active.

"Even still, against a real domain, a Simple Domain will only will do is buy you some time." -> simple domain immediately gone and Gojo gets covered in slashes -> simple domain 2

Because of time period it will be active nothing related to it's Abilities. We do know new shadow style SD reduces opponents techniques output and amps users CE output so Gojo was amped by his own SD.

Also I already mentioned this

Next chapter we literally see Sukuna hanging around with Gojo even though he has his infinity active. Despite both domain sure hit cancelled each others. I feel like people just skips through important things and reads only whatever they want.

^

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Not really when Sukuna jumped to stop Gojo, Gojo activates SD and started fighting so his slashes didn't reached Gojo at that time.

It's funny you said people skim through reading

...prior to the Simple Domain

^ so it's effects were still active.

Because of time period it will be active nothing related to it's Abilities. We do know new shadow style SD reduces opponents techniques output and amps users CE output so Gojo was amped by his own SD.

"Slowly getting destroyed"

...gone so fast he immediately summons another one

Also I already mentioned this

I'm baffled. You haven't conveyed how that has anything to do with Gojo vs 120% Sukuna. I'm not even gonna entertain your next response

 

[Sir_sun_man]

lol do they know what they're asking

ehhh.

True form sukuna dog walks to many advantages; larger reach (he is around 6'10 gojo is 6'3 sukuna's reach is larger due to this), greater bulk to soak up damage, 4 arms and due to greater height gojo getting off head shots is a little harder

Meguna loses.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's funny you said people skim through reading

...prior to the Simple Domain

• He was trying to catch Gojo but missed in first panel?
• Second panel pay attention Gojo's leg was locked in by Sukuna. Gojo tried to punch Sukuna but he locks Gojo's leg as a counter there by dodging that punch
• Sukuna literally dodged next counter from Gojo to the ground and moves apart from Gojo.

You are acting that's all gonna be enough to say Gojo is better in H2H? Second and third panel proved Sukuna was faster than Gojo's counters lol.

"Slowly getting destroyed"

...gone so fast he immediately summons another one

You posted 3 scans. It can 1 or 2 minutes for gods sake. Hakari vs Kashimo fight happened 4:11s within 13 pages pages. So just posting 3 scans and saying it got destroyed instantly is just wrong unless Gege or character within the series states that. Cast also says it is buying some time. They didn't say it got destroyed instantly. You are just going with because "it was 3 panel so it should be instant" when manga never stated it was instant.

Also
Q. What's your scans indicates?
A. Gojo was using SD one after another in other words he was amped from those SD's. Saying he didn't is dishonesty and ignoring what narrative states about SD.

I'm baffled. You haven't conveyed how that has anything to do with Gojo vs 120% Sukuna.

It's the other way around you haven't proved how Gojo was relatively fighting 120% Sukuna inside his domain without SD.

I'm not even gonna entertain your next response

Whatever bruh

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm not arguing Meguna beats Gojo in H2H but saying Gojo was hanging around with 120% Sukuna without SD is just dishonesty. My whole point is they are relative overall in skills & power without their CT.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

NGL, I'd say True form Sukuna stomps

Probably so, but the discussion is about Meguna.