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I'm talking about Toji fighting them, not them fighting each other.
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Arkenis
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that just suggests they knew him, which makes sense, not fought him
Guacamolefletcher
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This is dumb as **** because it’d mean Ogi ~ Naobito which is wrong. Also taking this as meaning Toji fought them is complete headcanon
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go ahead and prove it.
not that it is necessarily relevant. I post a thread showcasing the numerous amount of martial arts gojo employs, not having compared him to anybody in the series and then u reply to say he's bad and maki is better? this is just straight up instigating at its best. that's why you're a troll.
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Guacamolefletcher
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You’re saying it like you’re saying they tried 2v1ing Toji. Also you say it like Ogi vs Toji was even a fight, which is a problem in and of itself. Ogi can’t remotely keep up.
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what was the source of the scan where it said Ogi's statements of being Naobito's equal were unfounded and that he was actually significantly below?
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Gege lil bro
He said Naobito wins easy peasy, and Ogi likely doesn’t know Naobito’s power well
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it might be a fake scan knowing youGege lil bro
He said Naobito wins easy peasy, and Ogi likely doesn’t know Naobito’s power well
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Are you ******* kidding dude… Rosa turned into a
I first found the scan in a Cursed Valor video
Arkenis
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Guacamolefletcher
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That’s what it sounds like when you say it like that
Arkenis
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I'm not. They fought him individually
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I don't watch his content, out of 10 how accurate are his takes? I've debated him twice and so far his takes have been:
- Gojo is relative in speed to base Mahito
- 15F Sukuna would mid diff Gojo
- Kenjaku low diffed Yuki and was holding back when she punched through his arms
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He’s one of the “this person’s holding back” debaters, where he’ll give you an elaborate headcanon to why for example Yuji is holding back on Choso, and that’s why he can match Yuta later on instead of that feat just downgrading Yuta to subsonic, which he is
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A lot of these “X was holding back” arguments are baseless and headcanon to maintain agendas
Just like “Uraume was holding back on Shibuya” as an excuse for him being slower than PB and Mhs+
Just like “Uraume was holding back on Shibuya” as an excuse for him being slower than PB and Mhs+
Arkenis
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Nah Uraume just got faster by hundreds of times.
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From what I noticed, more than half of Sukuna fans actually used to believe 15F Sukuna will beat Gojo which is funny
And 99% of the powerscalers on YouTube are clowns (whether it's jjk, bleach or db)
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I can see why. Gojo was out of the story for 3 years and Sukuna had an insane run in Shibuya, immediately after the former got sealed. There would be a lot of recency bias
Now imagine if Sukuna vs Mahoraga was as cool in the manga was it was in the anime
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Uraume does say they hold back against everyone tho, verbatim, so...
Send the video you're referencing
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"Maximum output: Frost calm"
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blah blah blah
Arkenis
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That seems to be in their cursed technique use as they activate an unknown ability and say they'll crush Hakari with the full extent of their power. Nothing suggests they hold back physical capabilities.
If anything the fact Uraume would consider PB fast even though they're holding back doesn't make sense. Not to mention their late reaction to pb as well.
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Uraume thought lowly of Choso and was surprised by the speed, hence why they had a delayed reaction and complimented it.
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Yeah it's totally that and not that the verse just has very conservative speed scaling
Arkenis
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This interpretation might work in a different context but Uraume was ready to react and couldn't till it was cms away. If Uraume really is superior to the speed they'd have been able to adjust/reinforce/amp/whatever within miliseconds before it got within a meter near them.
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CE reinforcement also amps your reaction speed, so not necessarily, plus Uraume reacting whilst it was close to them bumps up the feat if anything - shorter time frame for them to move in.
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That's my point, if Uraume really is superior to it then their reinforcement would've been done far faster than the time it took for pb to get so close. And no reacting when something is closer doesn't mean a better feat. Reacting far before pb could have gotten near is the better feat, you can read this for a better understanding.
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if their reaction time isn't as fast then them having a delayed reaction to PB and only amping themselves last minute is coherent.
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Do you accept that Yuji (Shibuya Incident arc) is canonically slower than piercing blood also meaning slower than 343 m/s too for both on-site and off-site purposes or do you think he can amp himself to supersonic speeds in bursts?
No because it doesn't make sense that they would be capable of amping themselves to move nearly that fast. I do accept that characters blitzing others shouldn't be like nearly as impressive though.
I don't think that everyone is like average human, I think it's more like 100-200 m/s for your grade 1s, then probably like 200-300 for the top tiers, supersonic for god tiers.
The minimum I see for someone like Todo is 100 m/s.
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You're lost, reread the series please.
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This doesn't address what I'm saying though. If Uraume is really superior to PB then their activation of reinforcing their eyes would be faster than PB, unless you think Uraume has slow reinforcement of their eyes.
I'll explain it for you clearer: Uraume's suppressed reinforcement isn't able to perceive or react to PB, but they're able to further reinforce themselves once its cms away. If that's the case, that means Uraume's time to further reinforce is slower than PB still and even then the feat of them reacting is only transonic.
It's either Uraume can't react with their strong reinforcement level or, by your interpretation, Uraume's further reinforcing activation is slower than PB. Either way Uraume is still slower than PB.
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The whole Uruame PB thing is bum considering they're stronger and fatser than before
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Respond to the first question
Also for anyone reading, try think about what the alternative would be here
Uraume is still a god tier
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I don't know of any confirmation of Toji fighting Naobito or Ogi. However, they both have some level of fear and/or respect of his power/capabilities. The most of the Zenin clan were deathly terrified of him and there was a statement saying Toji could have easily become the head of the Zenins on his strength alone if they'd give a curse-less being a shot. He must have done something to gain that reputation, unless there's some technique or cursed tool/object to measure how strong Toji was but I doubt it.
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Just a question, would you guys consider Sukuna to be a genius in combat?
