Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Guacamolefletcher]

This is the equivalent of just putting your fingers in your ear and screaming "wrong wrong wrong wrong"...

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but we don’t use niche theories with little connection to series to grant abilities like this

Quote me where on the EE page it says "producing energy disqualifies a technique from being EE".

Producing energy from transmuting something?

Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind

Energy is something, given mass = energy. EE doesn’t exist irl. Medical machines which fire positrons aren’t accepted as EE, change the standards if you want

 

[Rosa]

"Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind"
Energy is something, given mass = energy

This doesn't prove what you want it to prove. By reducing something to its constituent parts it's referring to breaking matter up into smaller pieces, not leaving behind energy; hence why hakai (which erases matter and leaves the energy conversion of it behind as an explosive blast) is still viable for EE and not merely transmutation. Furthermore, Hollow Purple wouldn't be converting the mass itself into energy, it'll be erasing mass with its own energy output (Gojo's energy output), so even if I were to accept this interpretation of EE it still wouldn't even fulfil the claim you made.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

By reducing something to its constituent parts it's referring to breaking matter up into smaller pieces, not leaving behind energy; hence why hakai (which erases matter and leaves the energy conversion of it behind as an explosive blast)

It doesn’t convert the matter into an explosion, it has the explosion as a separate quality.

Hakai doesn’t make someone explode, it reduces them to nothing.

Furthermore, Hollow Purple wouldn't be converting the mass itself into energy, it'll be erasing mass with its own energy output (Gojo's energy output), so even if I were to accept this interpretation of EE it still wouldn't even fulfil the claim you made.

this isn’t what the scientific stuff suggests, even. Also this would be a violation of the law of conservation of energy IRL, so such a crackpot theory isn’t getting accepted the way you’re claiming. Please get yourself accustomed with the standards

 

[Rosa]

It doesn’t convert the matter into an explosion, it has the explosion as a separate quality.

"when matter is destroyed it releases heaps of energy" - Beerus, describing hakai
The explosion is from the erasure aspect, that's undeniable, but it's acceptable within VSBW standards because something having an energy output doesn't conflict with it being EE like you're trying to claim.

this isn’t what the scientific stuff suggests, even.

Because the scientific papers aren't about how CTs work, they're about how imaginary mass functions and I'm using them as supplementary evidence in explaining the CT. Me mentioning qualities of the series, such as HP having a CE output and therefore an energy output, isn't me contradicting the citation in any way.

Also this would be a violation of the law of conservation of energy IRL

How? Gojo releases energy, energy erases matter, energy dissipates as it does so

Please get yourself accustomed with the standards

Yet another condescending remark. Let's keep a tally of this, yea?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

"when matter is destroyed it releases heaps of energy" - Beerus, describing hakai
The explosion is from the erasure aspect, that's undeniable, but it's acceptable within VSBW standards because something having an energy output doesn't conflict with it being EE like you're trying to claim.

You just made a solid argument to downgrade manga Hakai .

Aside from that, the difference is the OG matter is “destroyed” not converted into energy. Matter + antimatter converts both into their energy equivalent, they’re not erased from existence

 

[Rosa]

You just made a solid argument to downgrade manga Hakai

If you're so against JJK upgrades you would prefer VSBW augments its standards for EE to downgrade other verses instead then idk what to say to you, this discussion clearly isn't going anywhere and you seem stuck in your ways

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

If you're so against JJK upgrades you would prefer VSBW augments its standards for EE to downgrade other verses instead then idk what to say to you, this discussion clearly isn't going anywhere and you seem stuck in your ways

Lol I’m sorry vsbw won’t accept Hollow purple as FTL and EE buddy . You can try make the possible EE and ftl hollow purple thread though, you should give it a shot!

 

[Rosa]

Lol I’m sorry vsbw won’t accept Hollow purple as FTL and EE buddy . You can try make the possible EE and ftl hollow purple thread though, you should give it a shot!

no one even mentioned FTL :/

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

no one even mentioned FTL :/

That’s what the paper mentioned as one of the qualities of said type of matter

 

[Arkenis]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but we don’t use niche theories with little connection to series to grant abilities like this

Niche isn't really the word to be used here. Tachyons as a concept aren't small or limited in knowledge within science. What you should be asking is if we allow hypothetical science concepts and of course we do.

Purple doesn't give something mass, Purple is a ball of the hypothetical tachyons.

Something else to consider, at least when using what the paper says, "It is theorized that space is filled with a gas-like fluid of neutral tachyons that do not interact directly with conventional sub-light matter except via gravity"

Also reading that paper, Tachyons would have numerous abilities besides the potential ee, it would have time travel, gravity manipulation, radiation manipulation, invisibility, matter manipulation, and intangibility as well lmao. I don't know why EE is always argued for, that's just a hypothetical effect of tachyons interaction with matter.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Also reading that paper, Tachyons would have numerous abilities besides the potential ee, it would have time travel, gravity manipulation, radiation manipulation, invisibility, matter manipulation, and intangibility as well lmao. I don't know why EE is always argued for, that's just a hypothetical effect of tachyons interaction with matter.

Numerous abilities HP is not implied or hinted to have just like EE. One of these would be the ftl attack speed which hollow purple OBVIOUSLY doesn’t have, as we all know, hence we know it doesn’t share all these qualities with the stuff described in the paper, and hence isn’t the same like that inherently and we can forget giving it EE

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

@Rosa get Gojo's blue AP past maximum: meteor's entire yield first

Spoiler: spoiler

(Yes I know we can't @ people)

 

[Woomica]

Nah, it’s literally what it is. He’s airing out fake dirty laundry and sharing screenshots on discord because I laughed at how Jogo is small city and we can’t scale anyone, even Gojo, to that despite him being “the strongest sorcerer”

Also mad that I said JJK isn’t ftl or uni

Yorozu being high uni with true sphere dont jump me pls

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yorozu being high uni with true sphere dont jump me pls

I was the one who created her profile. Praise me

 

[Woomica]

I was the one who created her profile. Praise me

Woow bravo bravo boss

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Woow bravo bravo boss

HIgh 5-A Yuki is also my doing

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I was the one who created her profile. Praise me

She would kill Gojo with a true sphere sure hit

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I love it, Geto agenda fr! He had a 20% chance of beating Gojo in JJK0 because he had a barrierless domain back then fr

 

[Excellence616]

Yorozu being high uni with true sphere dont jump me pls

On my way to put her against one of Marvel's High 3-A

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm not big fan of these theories. Only thing I agree with Chapters names and comparision and that pillar does seems like Curses and something similar to Geto's techniques which was showcased in JJK0.
I also think that's Geto's domains but Gege needs to confirm that.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Ok guys, hear me out. Malevolent Shrine is actually Yuji's domain !!!

 

[Giannysmag]

Ok guys, hear me out. Malevolent Shrine is actually Yuji's domain !!!

Yall aint ready for my goat to pull out Benevolent Shrine next chap

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

How many of you'll realised Sukuna has been dodging Choso's PB. This has been two times. So his PB does has some level considerable power to damage him?. This shit is consistent with Kenjaku too. He didn't wanted to get hit by that.

 

[GunshyFever]

How many of you'll realised Sukuna has been dodging Choso's PB. This has been two times. So his PB does has some level considerable power to damage him?. This shit is consistent with Kenjaku too. He didn't wanted to get hit by that.

Been thinking about Kenny dodging it for a while as well, maybe the attack should be Low 7-C?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Been thinking about Kenny dodging it for a while as well, maybe the attack should be Low 7-C?

Yeah Choso's PB has no anti feats. I guess we can give his supernova and PB Low 7-C rating.

This is shit funny. Gojo fan girl got ratio'd hard for this

 

[GunshyFever]

This is shit funny. Gojo fan girl got ratio'd hard for this

Most people think Sukuna needed Mahoraga to beat Gojo, ignoring the entire fight and the statements Gojo said at the end

Yeah Choso's PB has no anti feats. I guess we can give his supernova and PB Low 7-C rating.

Yeah I agree

 

[Rosa]

@Rosa get Gojo's blue AP past maximum: meteor's entire yield first

You have my discord, you're welcome to debate me anytime you like

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

You have my discord, you're welcome to debate me anytime you like

Why don't you do it here? You sound so confident, you should be able to do it in like a single paragraph right?

 

[SuperStar]

Oh shit

 

[Giannysmag]

This is shit funny. Gojo fan girl got ratio'd hard for this

My glorious blue eyed king cooks original body Sukuna, argue against a brick wall

 

[M3X_2.0]

My glorious blue eyed king cooks original body Sukuna, argue against a brick wall

So based…

 

[Arkenis]

MAHORAGA!!!

 

[Rosa]

You sound so confident, you should be able to do it in like a single paragraph right?

that's not how debates work, no. Debates aren't solved in single paragraphs regardless of confidence, stop trying to debate goon and bait an argument with me. If you want to talk in good faith you have my contact info, simple as that

 

[Hiiilt]

This is shit funny. Gojo fan girl got ratio'd hard for this

Takaba>>>>>>>Both of them

 

[Rosa]

are you allowed to make vs threads about inverse matchups or just crossverse? I'm interested in people's thoughts on Reggie vs Todo (or Shibuya Choso)

 

[Nierre]

are you allowed to make vs threads about inverse matchups or just crossverse? I'm interested in people's thoughts on Reggie vs Todo (or Shibuya Choso)

any

 

[Arkenis]

are you allowed to make vs threads about inverse matchups or just crossverse? I'm interested in people's thoughts on Reggie vs Todo (or Shibuya Choso)

any. I've done several such as Todo vs Nanami, Jogo vs Uro, Kenjaku vs Hakari and Maki.

 

[Woomica]

My glorious blue eyed king cooks original body Sukuna, argue against a brick wall

Ill let you off because you are good boy

 

[Giannysmag]

are you allowed to make vs threads about inverse matchups or just crossverse? I'm interested in people's thoughts on Reggie vs Todo (or Shibuya Choso)

You can do either but iirc Reggie doesn't have a profile yet