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Thank you very much I’ll add some scans and references later
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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I'm working on some of the Cursed Spirits too
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LIFE_OF_KING/Jujutsu_Kaisen_-_Jogo_create_a_meteor is this calc still accepted? I wanna knoe if I can give Jogo LS from it for his tk.
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That's odd, why wouldn't the previous meteor meet our defintion for what it takes for an earthquake to be caused by a meteor?
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Arkenis/sandboxforJogo?so=search anything I am missing?
EldemadeDityjon
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Hanami profile already has all those abilities with scans. Regarding Jogo profile you need to add insect manipulation.
EldemadeDityjon
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Kenjaku was not sure about Ryu. He says he heard so it's not really explicit. Even in CG Sukuna is an outlier. Gojo isn't even in CG so it shouldn't be surprise that him having better durability than Ryu. We can see what happens in next chapter Lmao. Especially Yuta's max output is slightly less than Ryu. If Sukuna gets cooked by Cleave of Yuta or not. I hope Gege gives better explanation on how Cleave works.
Also regarding Gojo I interpret Gojo's RCT might have weakened Cleave. He was stated to be using RCT at max output.
Or MS takes some time to adjust to durability of the opponent unlike Sukuna touching his opponents himself and slicing them. Looking at Sukuna when he touches his opponents some kind of lines are drawn then it extends to that area of kind of explains it. While Shrine slashes looked like spammed one by one without trying to adjust. It happened same thing against Mahoraga.
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Soooo... 15F Meguna > Ryo > Weakened current sukuna > Yuta = Itadori ?
Damn Jogo really is the goat, folds anyone who isnt Sukuna or Gojo
Damn Jogo really is the goat, folds anyone who isnt Sukuna or Gojo
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yeah Jogo’s page will certainly reflect that soon too.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Well I wouldn't say Jogo solos anyone except Sukuna or Gojo Jogo is overall weaker than Kenjaku.
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wallahi he's HIM
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Is Sukuna forklift certified?wallahi he's HIM
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Still gets to me to this day that every reincarnated mf had a second life in their back pockets but all wasted it to look how they originally did, only Sukuna kept it on hand
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Well Sukuna is the only one who has Sorcerer (Megumi )body (which should be better to use CE) while others body was normal human beings. Vessel can handle only limited amount of CE output otherwise they should break down. That's why they already Reconstructs their body to their original. That's how I interprets it.
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I like them being stupid
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I'm curious about the previous 6 eyes users, because Gojo's reinforcements are great because of it
Gojo survived cleave even when his RCT is offAlso regarding Gojo I interpret Gojo's RCT might have weakened Cleave. He was stated to be using RCT at max output.
Cleave properties were introduced when Sukuna used MS, so it works like this in MS, he doesn't need to touch and there won't be lines because CTs strike immediately inside a domain
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I'm sure it was mentioned after the battle, Kusakave said cleave and the World cutting slash are sure to kill
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Only Suguwara or whoever was good as far as I heard it was stated by Gojo in novels. Though I didn't read it myself but saw few scans in Twitter. But Satoru may be the strongest in the history of that bloodline.
SD was active there. Look at the below scene Gojo's background. That's definitely SD.Gojo survived cleave even when his RCT is off
What I understand is Cleave takes small amount of time for Adaptation. Gojo was Regenerating the wounds from cleave before they got spread. Like say he gets an injury which needs to spread from front side to backside but Gojo was healing before that happened. Gojo's CE output is good so it might take some time for cleave to fully adjusted. But I might be wrong so I will wait & see what happens with Yuta's cleave.
Yeah Kusakabe mentioned both are sure to kill. Though I was talking about when Sukuna used his domain no one talked about why cleave is not adjusting the toughness of Gojo. Most likely because of what I said above. Likely due to them required to adapt to strong opponents.
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Damn bro this coloring is so good
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Ohh okay so Sugawara is the one who wrote the explanations about limitless, including red and blue, he might be the first one to use purple, Gojo then developed new techniques like teleportation and he managed to apply blue and red into his close combat.
It's SD, those injuries were caused after the first SD shattered,
After the 2nd SD collapsed, Gojo was no longer using his RCT, cleave striked him and he lost one of his eyes again
2nd SD collapses
Gojo at this point isn't using SD or RCT, as you can see cleave strikes his neck but it didn't cut his neck completely as its shown, he could still give Sukuna a hug and blast him with red
Yeah but look at the scan where it says is Gojo gonna lose?
No SD or RCT at that point.
Tbf Angel said if Sukuna could bypass Gojo's infinity, Gojo will die, so she probably meant cleave by that.
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I couldn't find the novel to read it.
This was before he spammed Second SD. He got Injured when first SD got destroyed and he spammed Second SD instantly check the below scan i sent.It's SD, those injuries were caused after the first SD shattered,
You skipped this panel this panel exist before Gojo stopping healing.After the 2nd SD collapsed, Gojo was no longer using his RCT, cleave striked him and he lost one of his eyes again
2nd SD collapses
Gojo at this point isn't using SD or RCT, as you can see cleave strikes his neck but it didn't cut his neck completely as its shown, he could still give Sukuna a hug and blast him with red
Yeah but look at the scan where it says is Gojo gonna lose?
No SD or RCT at that point.
After this Gojo stopped healing Panel comes up so SD was active at that time.
Also Regarding is Gojo gonna lose statement is when second SD got destroyed but Gojo already regained his CT he instantly used blue and spammed red on Sukuna and used RCT again and got out of Sukuna Domain range. All this happened in short interval. So cleve didn't had enough time to adapt that's what I guess.
Btw Yuji couldn't even react to Cleave during Higuruma fight.
While currently he can see the cleave spreading in his body.
It's either Sukuna output drop which resulted decrease in his cleave adaptation speed or Yuji got amp after Higuruma curse to him. Well either way I think there is a speed for adaptation for cleave
Again I might be wrong here though if there is no further explanation Gege gives I would rather ego with this interpretation.
May be
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I know, I said "those injuries were caused after the first SD was shattered" which means before the second SD
I skipped it because those are the same injuries, he activated the 2nd SD which means the sure hit is off now, so the injuriesnthat were shown during the 2nd SD are caused after the 1st SD was shatteredYou skipped this panel this panel exist before Gojo stopping healing.
After this Gojo stopped healing Panel comes up so SD was active at that time.
Look at the scan again, cleave clearly was shown to strike Gojo's neck there but didn't cut completely
It's still a fresh wound that occurred after the 2nd SD was shattered, you can see the blood just coming out of the wound, it's clearly that cleave couldn't cut Gojo's neck completely
It doesn't matter if he used red or regained his CT, sure hits strike immediately, there's nothing stated that cleave needs time to activate fully that would contradict how sure hits work, Gojo shouldn't be faster than sure hits it doesn't make anysense, Sukuna also used cleave on Mahoraga and said it fits the criteria and the anime showed Mahoraga getting deleted immediately, there's no delay
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He instantly spammed Second SD. Check below his speed feats.
After second SD he already regained his CT. Yeah he got a slash in the neck but he blizted Sukuna with Blue and used Red in an instant and used RCT.I skipped it because those are the same injuries, he activated the 2nd SD which means the sure hit is off now, so the injuriesnthat were shown during the 2nd SD are caused after the 1st SD was shattered
Look at the scan again, cleave clearly was shown to strike Gojo's neck there but didn't cut completely
It's still a fresh wound that occurred after the 2nd SD was shattered, you can see the blood just coming out of the wound, it's clearly that cleave couldn't cut Gojo's neck completely
I mean we are talking about same Gojo who was able to heal his first slash wounds before other slashes hit him despite he was exposed to sure hit.
Same Gojo who was able to spam FB instantly
This does shows Cleave might have some time frame before it can adjust to opponent durability. Timeframe may be depends on characters toughness. Mahoraga durability is not all that of course it would get negged faster. Comparing Mahoraga durability to Gojo's durability doesn't make sense. Gojo's durability > Mahoraga. Sukuna never faced anyone EQ to him. So adaptation time might differ based on the opponent toughness. I mean bruh even Mahoraga needs time for Adaptation of its own depending on complexity of opponents CT. Sukuna cleave not needing time for Adaptation doesn't make sense. It would be NLF if his cleave cuts anyone and everyone without needing time to adjust to the toughness.Btw Yuji couldn't even react to Cleave during Higuruma fight.
While currently he can see the cleave spreading in his body.
It's either Sukuna output drop which resulted decrease in his cleave adaptation speed or Yuji got amp after Higuruma curse to him. Well either way I think there is a speed for adaptation for cleave
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15F Meguna >= Current sukuna > Ryu's durability >= Yuta = Itadori
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@EldemadeDityjon I will think about your post and read it fully once I open the laptop, my internal screen is broken and its hard to write or read long posts
Jogo is 8F level so he isnt really far from those people because current Sukuna is at 10F CE, but his output is low and Yuta is struggling against him, so Yuta, Jogo and Kenny are at the range of 7-9F, and 15F Sukuna frok Shibuya wouldve obliterated Yuta at that time, Yuji was drunk when he believed otherwise
15F Meguna >> current Sukuna (who technically should be weaker than 10F Sukuna) > Ryu's durability > Kenjaku ~ Jogo (Gege said Kenjaku would have hard time fighting against Jogo) ~ Yuta since he needed to make a surprise attack on Kenny.
Jogo is 8F level so he isnt really far from those people because current Sukuna is at 10F CE, but his output is low and Yuta is struggling against him, so Yuta, Jogo and Kenny are at the range of 7-9F, and 15F Sukuna frok Shibuya wouldve obliterated Yuta at that time, Yuji was drunk when he believed otherwise
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Based on what
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No problem
. I think Jogo has enough fire power of 7-9F but durability is just ass.
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Half of his CE with brain damage which leads to lower output than normal and no DE
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He also said that about Mahito...
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Because of Mahito having Hax where it's not easy to take him. Jogo is just straight up brawl.
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Yes, half of his ursed energy reserves, output. Unless you believe that Yuta has higher cursed energy output then Gojo
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No how is that relevant?
Half of his CE means he is equal to 10F Sukuna in terms of total CE
However now he is brain damaged which also lowers his CE and RCT output too much and makes him incapable of using DE, Yuta is still struggling with him even with Yuji inside the domain lowering Sukuna's output more and more
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His hax litteraly doesnt matter, if Kenjaku is ~ to jogo, he should be able to blitz Mahito + Kenjaku can most likely hit the soul.
Geges statement doesn't line up with anything we've seen in the story
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