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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Sir_sun_man said:
about that

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Other translation make it seem like Choso but I will wait for atleast TCB translation to confirm it.
 
Giannysmag said:
I thought Jump was on break this week so this was a very pleasant surprise
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Welp i was sure this was gonna happen but still, its sad to see the best CG character go, rest easy Higuruma Wuji Himtadori got this from here
My only gripe is that i have to wait three weeks for the next leaks
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Why so long though? It's a double break? I got confused...
 
ΚΟΜΙΞ said:
Why so long though? It's a double break? I got confused...
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The magazine is on a mandatory break at the end of the year rather than a break the mangaka themselves deciding to take one so the digital release of the chapter got leaked (it's not supposed to be officially released until January when the magazine comes back)
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
  • Understanding Domain Amplification doesn't equate to copying it immediately. He copied it once when he grasped its essence, not because he possesses any copying ability, it's because in his comprehension of the technique. Sukuna explicitly stated that Domain Amplification surpasses Simple Domain. Despite Kusakabe's understanding of DA, he, like Gojo, who has knowledge of it, couldn't copy it. Having an understanding doesn't guarantee proficiency.
    Additionally, Higuruma crafted his Domain within 12 days, while Gojo required over 15 years, despite having manuals and assistance from Jujutsu High and his family.
Talent-wise, Higu is comparable to Mahito, if not above him. Both are true geniuses in the verse with a faster growth rate than Gojo. It's just coping if anyone denies it.
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The problem with this logic is that you're essentially trying to ride him and then ignore overall context blatantly saying he only rivals gojo in talent and indeed we do see that. furthermore when DA is explained in chapter 225. after kusakabe explains it, Higuruma murmurs that he got a gist of it, and afterwards he continues to see it being used several times more in his fight against Gojo. In order to assert that Higu really does rival Gojo, you'd have to acknowledge that Gojo too can use it through comprehension. We have several statements jacking him off in doing so, too.

One denoting Gojo as a rare prodigy without the six eyes and keep in mind nobody has a statement like this whatsoever. (Rare prodigy) Then there's two to three statements hyping gojo in that he can do anything he tries in the beginning of the Manga, and another in the fanbook gojo profile, explicitly denoting that as his comprehension aka natural talent. So let's stop with this dumb downplay.
First source:
Panel caption: Gojo Satoru, a rare prodigy also blessed with the Six Eyes. The Six Eyes allows the wielder to see cursed energy and for incredibly fine control of cursed energy. Those who possess it are rare even in the history of the Gojo clan.
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^ Fanbook guide
Second Source: (Fanbook Gojo Profile)
GOJO SATORU Tokyo Prefectural Jujutsu Technical College 1st Year Teacher AGE: 28 BIRTHDAY: December 7th GRADE: Special Grade Sorcerer ENROLLMENT METHOD: Family lineage CURSED TECHNIQUE: Limitless SKILLS: Cursed Technique Reversal: Red Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue Hollow Purple Domain Expansion: Unlimited Void Reverse Cursed Technique Some experience with Black Flash [B]HOBBY/SPECIAL SKILL: None (Because he can do practically anything he attempts)[/B]

Third source (from the Manga itself)
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"He can do anything he tries, so he tries not to get too involved with anything. According to him, this is all for the sake of the next generation"
Which heavily also implies that he holds himself back in utilizing his talent to itsnfull extent in other techniques (Doubt that he'd do the same for limitless, though then again, he has never ever developed a new technique aside from the one he has inherited from his clan with further possible improvement done on them, but I severely doubt that. Why else does he never display a maximum technique whereas Kenny, Jogo and most likely Sukuna, can?
Fourth source:
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"But he's one of those geniuses who were born able to do anything."

I'm sure you're thinking of trying to argue as to how this is due to the six eyes, but lmao at that thought when a previous limitless and six eyes user are a untamed Maho victim. Whereas Gojo is the best as heavily implied by the narrative, the scaling he has and the feats, especially when he can match a Sukuna that has been growing stronger every day for thousands of years whilst sealed.
I'm sure you'll ask for proof for him growing every day when he was sealed, that's easy.

First source: This early on might be not clear enough.
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"With each passing day, they get even stronger"
But the second scan clears it up:
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"I can tell that his strength is growing."




Kusakabe doesn't have as good grasp on DA like Gojo does. gojo is one of the dudes to have the biggest grasp on how it works, especially with the biggest explanation about DA, next to WOG explanation statements. Either way after the explanation Higu says he got the gist of it, then he and other proceed to watch them use these abilities several times against each other which is a good learning experience given that these two are the best in verse in anything they do.
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Was able to do all of that from just one glance, with blindfold on.

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^ Was able to deduce a weakness early on too. Something Higuruma never did at a first glance whatsoever.
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Gojo could also deduce that he can overpower DA with strengthening the output of his neutral limitless, and that due to Hanami being weaker now, aka his output, has weakened his usage of DA.

now let's compare Higuruma
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Higuruma only gets the gist of it after that. (Then he watches further on where Sukuna uses it again and again and again) Makes sense given that he's only a rival to Gojo Satoru's talent. Not Equal.



Higuruma's domain is also explicitly noted to be mid. Back in the days, that's what they used, a trash domain with no guaranteed sure hits. Whereas the one that Gojo and other special grades have is literally the one that gojo has. The far superior version.


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“Making guaranteed hit requires crazy skill”
also what. learned domain in 12 days? 🤣🤣 Well no.

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it comes by default 😭😭

Not to mention that limitless ct in verse is by far the most difficult CT to ever exist in verse with how difficult it is to use it. To manipulate the limitless, you would need to have perception that can perceive things on an atomic level whilst manipulating space-time. That already puts Limitless as a CT way beyond any CT technique in complexity and difficulty. But that's not going even deeper: The neutral limitless that gojo manipulates is far more complicated than some basic vanilla space manip, it has several different properties mixed into it, thanks to the scientists gege hired to buff it. That already amps up the difficulty more, especially with additional details added to red and blue and HP.

So not only does limitless CT have the highest potential by WOG, (meaning highest upper limit and obviously more difficulty) but it is also the most difficult one to use by looking at what it manipulates, controls etc. Yet here you are comparing Higuruma to Gojo's standards when the CT Higuruma has is quite fitting to him, as fitting as a glove, because he's a lawyer, making it easier to also use his ct in general. Also. 15 years? What. Gojo ONLY started learning Domain after the toji incident, whilst simultaneously trying to perfect infinity, red, blue and HP and teleportation, whilst also making rct run automatically. even then at that time he's still trying to sort out poisonous matter. That took about 10 years or so, maybe less cuz we're not really given an estimate when he finished his perfecting of his techniques.

Source for Gojo's limitless being stated to be the strongest:
"The Six Eyes is what makes the [B]Limitless Jujutsu the strongest technique.[/B] A unique predisposition of the Gojo family that can detect cursed energy, where the target’s jujutsu technique is foreseen. It is rare even among the generation of wielders, and with it is possible to manage cursed energy at the microscopic level. It is an inborn talent necessary to use the “Limitless Jujutsu” to its maximum potential."

the reason why it's the strongest isn't because the six eyes is somehow further upgrading the limitless or your natural talent. (Otherwise why would the rest with the exception of gojo be a victim to a untamed maho?) It's because it allows you to now be capable of using the limitless ct, which you cannot do without it. (check below)
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1jauf_ua81f-FnmDiC-ZForryO9gVCs9Fb7ccZRIe4bo/mobilebasic


the conclusion in this document, after it goes through fanbook, and other Q&A questions about Gojo's six eyes and limitless, is clearly expressed by Gege that you cannot operate the limitless ct, without the six eyes. And that is just to operate it. You're not getting some big W advantage ahead of others. Just the necessary condition to be able to now use this CT, compared to others that can't use it.



Nowhere is it stated that he learned domain after 15 years. At best 10 years if you wanna downplay him that badly, which makes no sense when he's Sukuna level at the age of 28, whereas Sukuna is thousands of year old, growing every day in strength when he was sealed (Stated so by gojo early on, and then later on reiterated by Yuji with more clarity) only to be matched by Gojo in domain strength, despite Sukuna having open domain and access to a extra ct (a bit irrelevant) and thousand years of knowledge and experience. Whilst also having a mindset far beyond any other.

There's also the fact that Gojo is literally the best Six eyes and Limitless user in history by far, when every other six eyes+ limitless user is a untamed maho victim. And Gojo could one shot a Maho amped by 20F level Sukuna 😭 This proves that Gojo has the highest natural talent in his clan's history already. Another additional support is the fact that his literal birth as a baby is the literal reason as to why the modern era was transitioning towards the golden age of Jujutsu once again, which nobody else has ever done, except Sukuna, and even then it is implied to be not as strong as Gojo's effect upon his birth in the world. Said birth allowed far stronger curses and new curses to be born, curses like Mahito were influenced by Gojo's birth in order to balance the world, along with many other curse like Jogo.
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^ Mahito and Higuruma never doing this in the slightest. 😂


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Higuruma never doing this.


By the way, you mention he got manuals and assistance from Jujutsu High? In what way? Literally in what way could the Jujutsu high tell him how to get good at the limitless ct, when rct gojo is already far above rest of the verse bar Sukuna and possibly Kenjaku? Cross that one off the list, gojo ain't training along jujutsu prodigies and talents neither is he working together. that mf is constantly sent off to missions to stomp fodders, and essentially gain little to no battle experience when he has infinity on to make him feel practically no pressure from battle. The only one who has pushed Gojo, giving him a life and death amp awakening, is only Toji. Anybody else has done nothing to contribute to Gojo's growth, when his form of growth is mainly through training lol.

Whereas Higuruma gets to be in the culling games, where it is essentially working the same as a battlefield, where you fight against Jujutsu sorcerers that are not curses. Higuruma also does not have infinity to rely on. Neither does he have OP af ct and shi. meaning that he can grow from pressure whereas Gojo can't. Higu has the advantage of environment and gojo doesn't especially with the abilities that he has.

As For Gojo's clan. That clan is just vague af, with mid previous gojo members that are untamed maho victims, that of which RCT Gojo isn't as he'd smoke him and blitz him. Idk how much help you expect them to do, especially when his form of learning seems implying my to be comprised of him just training and having to develop every single technique in his arsenal, before getting to domain finally. The only thing gojo clan got is that you have info about the existence of certain techniques in your limitless, and that you can combine red and blue to form HP that is [Insert explanation from HI arc here] and that's it.

Seriously, what help is gojo gonna get. Even from said Manual. All it did say for HP is that it is born through colliding blue and red and there u go, imaginary mass. 😭 that's the manual for HP. doubt that for blue and red and neutral limitless it's gonna be any different. also it says even in gojo clan, few know about the existence of HP, almost as if little people had been able to ever use HP throughout the history of gojo clan.
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black and white dots canvas.. 😈
btw all it says is a how to manual for activating the technique, not a further development for it, like Gojo doing automatic limitless through calculations that dominate space time. Or Gojo doing double red in one red (See Sukuna vs Gojo, where red explodes and goes past Sukuna, then comes back and hits him again finally.) or Gojo doing HP Nuke... Or simultaneous usage of blue and red.. Or long and short distance teleportation. Blue Punch. UV. Automatic rct 24/7. Or ""high speed"" blue. Yada yada, you get the rest. Don't think it teaches you how to do Unlimited HP too (whatever that even means and does lmao. even other JP translators don't know what it means, Gege would be the one to certainly know the difference between a HP and A Unlimited HP)

but yeah, I said what I said. let the higuruma and Mahito agenda about these two being > Gojo in talent go. drop it 😭 denying otherwise is just coping against the statements disagreeing with your stance about these two being > gojo, let alone Mahito.
enjoy this unintended long text that I got kinda lost in writing without any thought about how long it is
 
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Ain't reading shit about riding Gojo. 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Whatever Gojo achieved from 15 years is already achieved by Higuruma within 2 months that's enough to showcase who had better talent same goes for Mahito.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Ain't reading shit about riding Gojo. 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Whatever Gojo achieved from 15 years is already achieved by Higuruma within 2 months that's enough to showcase who had better talent same.goes for Mahito.
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How long did it take Gojo to learn RCT? Tbh you could argue that Gojo would be able to do the same but the difference is that unlike Higruma Gojo is a pretty lazy bastard.
 
LordGinSama said:
How long did it take Gojo to learn RCT? Tbh you could argue that Gojo would be able to do the same but the difference is that unlike Higruma Gojo is a pretty lazy bastard.
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He took about 15 years to learn it. To use red, he needed RCT. He had been practicing it since childhood. You can see him trying to use red on the Cloning guy and failing. He learned RCT after experiencing near death. Also, it's like after a few hours. But when we see in the latest chapter, Higu uses RCT in a few seconds with his first try.


Edit: Not really 15 but he should be learning it since from the point where Ogami tried to assassinate him or Toji went to see him. Knowing he was a child genius. Anyway he should be learning it since childhood because of family heritage.
 
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EldemadeDityjon said:
He took about 15 years to learn it. To use red, he needed RCT. He had been practicing it since childhood. You can see him trying to use red on the Cloning guy and failing. He learned RCT after experiencing near death. Also, it's like after a few hours. But when we see in the latest chapter, Higu uses RCT in a few seconds with his first try.


Edit: Not really 15 but he should be learning it since from the point where Ogami tried to assassinate him or Toji went to see him. Knowing he was a child genius. Anyway he should be learning it since childhood because of family heritage.
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You literally cannot prove that it took 15 years, and even IF it did, you'd have to basically lower Higuruma's talent to that level as well. After all, if you're rivaling someone, the other gotta be on the same park as you.

Either way, you could never prove that he has been trying to learn rct since birth, whatsoever. RCT is so rare that gojo asks Shoko on how to do it (despite yknow having a SO CALLED manual? Proving further that it ain't really all that like you made it to be, and I proved why in that essay.) and all she said was a bunch of nothing. Like that's the actual literally one time where he tried to understand it, but never did. If he was trying to learn it at birth, then idk why he'd ask Shoko when he could ask Jujutsu high on how it works, how to use it etc, especially the gojo clan's manual? Though like Gin pointed out, Gojo is just lazy. With infinity, what else would you need a new technique for? Gojo is never in a rush given how he doesn't bother that much in his early days, especially with the ego he had.

On the verge of death, despite having his brain damaged, he was able to use rct (whilst being unconscious. ig internal domains do be built diff... like how sukuna can use rct to resurrect Yuji whilst they're in a internal domain) and reach the core of ce, something higuruma never did, but only rct.

Though idk why nobody is mentioning that he is training alongside the gang for a month alongside making preparations, who (the gang) is comprised of the current strongest jujutsu sorcerers (non evil) alive, with the likes of Kashimo, Hakari, Yuta and so on. Especially Yuji. The editor note and such seem to imply that everyone thinks of Higuruma as a genius "whisper genius", as if he had been displaying his talent amongst them. If that's so, then it would make further sense that, whilst they're training, they'd try to learn as much of jujutsu as possible. exchange pointers. spar with each other and so on. I'm sure Yuta and Shoko could try to explain the rct to Higuruma (Yuta more reliable) as well.. Though there is a possible indication that Higuruma was trying to learn rct. Given how Yuji in ch246 says he can't rct, as if he has tried or shown.

Furthermore, Higuruma and many others, have been discussing amongst themselves about the various techniques Satoru and Sukuna have been displaying. especially rct. Higuruma also got the action to see how the two best sorcerers alive, using rct, whos mastery and skill is far beyond any. Especially when Gojo regrew his arm too. All in all, they've gotten a good seat of experience to observe and learn, especially Higuruma.

But once again, both gojo and Higuruma pointedly learn rct on the verge of death, the former in a far worse condition and unconscious, and the latter spared by Sukuna to pressure him to quickly use rct. Both in immense pressure situations in short, allowing them to quickly grow. That much is a telling that they're comparable in talent somewhat.

Also, he succeeded in using red, it successfully formed. Just couldn't stabilize cuz he hasn't learned how to do rct "yet" as strange as it looks.(against the paper guy)
 
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TheGunsFinalWrath said:
according to Mya, leaks are gonna drop in like, 17th January in 2024.
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What? Didn't know we have around 3 weeks break
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
this means that we'll all go through the process of watching Lobotomy Kaisen happen around us, for three weeks. this is going to be the darkest history for the jjk reddit community ngl. 😔 they're gonna go wild.
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I wonder which character gets memed this time 😂😐. Normally Yuta gets his shit rocked whenever Gege takes a break. Fans gonna go crazy with this break.
 
I am Gojo's biggest dckrider and even i will admit thta Mahito and Higuruma have far more potential than him.

For Mahito specifically, we know Sukuna thought that with the right mindset Jogo would have reached Gojo's level. Jogo explicitly says that Mahito has more potential than him as well as having Sukuna's mindset
 
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