Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[EldemadeDityjon]

Thanks
What about manga ? Is there any statement for this except Overtime statement?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Here is Nanami sandbox

EldemadeDityjon/Sandbox9

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Takaba with 4 arms

 

[Excellence616]

Ryomen sukuna immortality addition

 

[Excellence616]

In my opinion it would go

0# FumiHIMko Wakaba
1# Sukuna
2# Gojo
3# Kenjaku
4# Kashimo
5# Yuta
6# Mahoraga
7# Yuki
8# Yorozu
9# Geto
10# Toji/Maki
11# Hakari
12# Mahito
13# Ryu
14# Jogo
15# Curse Naoya
16# Uro
17# Yuji (will hopefully go a lot higher in the next few chaps)
18# Uraume
19# Choso
20# Hanami

What of those without CT involved?

 

[Giannysmag]

What of those without CT involved?

You mean like pure hands and CE?

 

[Excellence616]

pure hands

 

[Hizack123]

Takaba with 4 arms

I was about to say new chapter finally uploaded


Kekw

 

[Giannysmag]

What of those without CT involved?

#0 Waki / Woji
#1 Wuji HIMtadori
#2 Everyone else

 

[Gokukid2005]

Breaking away from the debate for a moment, i really dont see how Gege is gonna handle Kenjaku Vs Tabaka. Because there's no way in hell Kenjaku loses here, but then what would him defeating Tabaka accomplise for the story other than showing how strong he is, which was the purpose of the Yuki fight. But then if neither of the win or one of them runs away or smth then the chapters we spend on the fight are just gonna be pointless and will take time away from the main plot

Kenjaku is either going to:
A. Get really pissed dealing with him (Doubt)
B. Have a lot of fun
He's always had a playful and curious personality.
Now a CT that can defy Gojo Satoru literally walks through his doorstep and it's on a side character no one expected anything from. They say so in the last chapter.
This boutta be Kenjaku's Gojo."You cleared my skies Fumihiko Takaba. I won't forget you as long as I live."

 

[Giannysmag]

Kenjaku is either going to:
A. Get really pissed dealing with him (Doubt)
B. Have a lot of fun
He's always had a playful and curious personality.
Now a CT that can defy Gojo Satoru literally walks through his doorstep and it's on a side character no one expected anything from. They say so in the last chapter.
This boutta be Kenjaku's Gojo."You cleared my skies Fumihiko Takaba. I won't forget you as long as I live."

"Stand proud. You are funny"

 

[Hizack123]

Kenjaku is either going to:
A. Get really pissed dealing with him (Doubt)
B. Have a lot of fun
He's always had a playful and curious personality.
Now a CT that can defy Gojo Satoru literally walks through his doorstep and it's on a side character no one expected anything from. They say so in the last chapter.
This boutta be Kenjaku's Gojo."You cleared my skies Fumihiko Takaba. I won't forget you as long as I live."

LoL

 

[Hizack123]

Gege about to give us the most Peak fiction fight of all time (it not gonna be Sakuna vs Yuji and Higumura for like 10+ chapters)

 

[SunDaGamer]

Here is Nanami sandbox

EldemadeDityjon/Sandbox9

vsbattles.fandom.com

bruh a x1.5 amp isn't a "far higher" rating and the Ratio technique isn't durability negation

Higher​

This should be used to denote a character's weapons, techniques, or attributes that are much stronger than their base level, but still within the same tier. For example, a character that is Solar System level but has an attack that multiplies their power by 100 times. In this instance it should be written as “Solar System level, higher with that ability or technique”.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

bruh a x1.5 amp isn't a "far higher" rating and the Ratio technique isn't durability negation

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Can you please Edit the AP & Durability part then.
I will work on abilities part.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ratio technique does seem like dura neg though. Nanami did say it works on stronger opponents.

The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of its durability. In particular, enables causing serious damage to a very strong opponent, even in the absence of large attack potency.

 

[Hizack123]

Ratio technique does seem like dura neg though. Nanami did say it works on stronger opponents.

Higher with black flash, higher and ignore durability with Ratio technique?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Higher with black flash, higher and ignore durability with Ratio technique?

Nah I was talking about powers and abilities part. I will leave the AP Rewriting to Sun

 

[Giannysmag]

Wouldn't Ratio just be damage boost

 

[SunDaGamer]

Ratio technique does seem like dura neg though. Nanami did say it works on stronger opponents.

Ratio technique creates a weak point on an opponent so Nanami's hits are like critical strikes, it doesn't negate durability because we've seen Dagon being able to resist it

 

[Hizack123]

Ratio technique creates a weak point on an opponent so Nanami's hits are like critical strikes, it doesn't negate durability because we've seen Dagon being able to resist it

Hmmmmm

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ratio technique creates a weak point on an opponent so Nanami's hits are like critical strikes, it doesn't negate durability because we've seen Dagon being able to resist it

The thing is every dura neg has a limit
Also I think Ratio technique did worked against Dagon

Nanami says he has boundless HP not better durability

Well anime might clarify this though.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Wouldn't Ratio just be damage boost

It's a Law Manipulation.
It forcibly creates a weakness by rule of 7.3 ratio. It works on both living and non living things.

 

[Quantu]

Limited Dura Neg + Law Manipulation then?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Limited Dura Neg + Law Manipulation then?

Yeah limited durability neg make sense.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The song fits perfectly

 

[Hizack123]

Yeah limited durability neg make sense.

Very nice

 

[Giannysmag]

The song fits perfectly

It really does but holy **** that was loud

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Damn..So Sukuna was using only 20% of his power to Fight Gojo

No, he was using his CT, lol, that’s what a Domain is.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

There is no author Statement here
Only thing Author states is Yuta is second only to Gojo in unusual abilities. Even Kenny talks about abilities and CE not about any power. Infact he doesn't see him as a threat.

You continue to misinterpret this scan, which is incredibly dishonest considering the fact that you show two scans that completely contradict it next. Firstly, Kenjaku does see Yuta as a threat, just not in comparison to Satoru Gojo (a scan you continuously continue to omit). This is further substantiated by the fact that Kenjaku specifically, I repeat, specifically notes how Yuta leads Jujutsu High’s fighting force. And lastly, in the current chapter, where he admits to tracking all of Shinjuku’s sorcerers, once again, specifically noting Yuta’s existence as their no.2 (notice how he pays specific attention to Yuta and Maki and yet, not a word on Hakari). This isn’t even mentioning how Yuta and Yuki were considered interchangeable on multiple occasions to protect Tengen from Kenjaku.

Someone who is insignificant would not be tracked and highlighted on numerous occasions, stop with this rhetoric, nothing in this entire series has ever, and will ever support your interpretation.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No, he was using his CT, lol, that’s what a Domain is.

You continue to misinterpret this scan, which is incredibly dishonest considering the fact that you show two scans that completely contradict it next. Firstly, Kenjaku does see Yuta as a threat, just not in comparison to Satoru Gojo (a scan you continuously continue to omit). This is further substantiated by the fact that Kenjaku specifically, I repeat, specifically notes how Yuta leads Jujutsu High’s fighting force. And lastly, in the current chapter, where he admits to tracking all of Shinjuku’s sorcerers, once again, specifically noting Yuta’s existence as their no.2 (notice how he pays specific attention to Yuta and Maki and yet, not a word on Hakari). This isn’t even mentioning how Yuta and Yuki were considered interchangeable on multiple occasions to protect Tengen from Kenjaku.

Someone who is insignificant would not be tracked and highlighted on numerous occasions, stop with this rhetoric, nothing in this entire series has ever, and will ever support your interpretation.

Having more CE doesn't mean a thing. If having more CE mean scales Higher Yuta would be above Gojo. Kenjaku was talking about CE not anything about Yuta is second strongest after Gojo. Kinda crazy how people misinterpreting Kenjaku statement despite him saying Mei mei brother teleportation is pain in the ass in same panel.
Now what you are saying Maki > Hakari. Just because he can't be hard to track?
Funny how you interpreted Kenjaku saying tracking maki is hard = Above Hakari

• Yuta has second highest CE so tracking him is easier
• Maki has no CE so tracking her would be tough
• Mei mei brother has teleportation so should watch both maki and Mei mei brother. That's what the context says. You are.jusf twisting it to whatever you want.

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Maki had zero information on Yuki. She saying Yuki on same rank as Yuta doens't mean Yuta is stronger than Yuki.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Having more CE doesn't mean a thing. If having more CE mean scales Higher Yuta would be above Gojo. Kenjaku was talking about CE not anything about Yuta is second strongest after Gojo. Kinda crazy how people misinterpreting Kenjaku statement despite him saying Mei mei brother teleportation is pain in the ass in same panel.
Now what you are saying Maki > Hakari. Just because he can't be hard to track?
Funny how you interpreted Kenjaku saying tracking maki is hard = Above Hakari

• Yuta has second highest CE so tracking him is easier
• Maki has no CE so tracking her would be tough
• Mei mei brother has teleportation so should watch both maki and Mei mei brother. That's what the context says. You are.jusf twisting it to whatever you want.

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Maki had zero information on Yuki. She saying Yuki on same rank as Yuta doens't mean Yuta is stronger than Yuki.

It’s funny how you bring up that panel, yet once again, neglect that Sukuna can use DA, while using DE, which requires your technique being built into the Domain already. It makes me question how honest you actually are.

Having more CE doesn't mean a thing. If having more CE mean scales Higher Yuta would be above Gojo. Kenjaku was talking about CE not anything about Yuta is second strongest after Gojo. Kinda crazy how people misinterpreting Kenjaku statement despite him saying Mei mei brother teleportation is pain in the ass in same panel.

You don’t understand this panel, not to mention your humongous strawmanning. No one asserted more CE > more power, that’s debunked long before this chapter, when they say “their no.2”, it’s referring to strength. Kenjaku specifically says “their” referring to the good guys (meaning it doesn’t include Sukuna, which he would have the most CE on their side), coupled with the fact that Yuta has been constantly reiterated by the narrative calling Yuta no.2 strongest, it’s clear my interpretation is more stable.

Also, it’s funny you say that, because if this wasn’t referring to strength, why is it he explicitly refers to Maki (a character with no CE), and Ui Ui (fodder)? And no, it’s not that Hakari can’t be tracked, Kenjaku makes no note of his existence, yet does to Yuta and Maki.

Maki had zero information on Yuki. She saying Yuki on same rank as Yuta doens't mean Yuta is stronger than Yuki.

Doesn’t matter if she does, that doesn’t refute the other two statements that place them as relative, nor the consistent backing that puts Yuta as second only to Gojo. You have nothing to stand on.

 

[Outcast]

That's not how strengthened statement works.

I mean the fact that they mention that hes trying to regain his lost output kinda implies that this strengthened red has essentially the same output as a normal red (when hes at 100 % output). Of course I cant really prove that, but theres also no reason to assume its stronger either.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It’s funny how you bring up that panel, yet once again, neglect that Sukuna can use DA, while using DE, which requires your technique being built into the Domain already. It makes me question how honest you actually are.

Why are you sending the later scans Sukuna was fighting Gojo for 1&1/2 chapters without CT before domain clash.
Anyway the argument of without CT Sorcerer only has 20% of their strength is Dumb. Can you share me the scan where it was stated as strength instead of skills

You don’t understand this panel, not to mention your humongous strawmanning. No one asserted more CE > more power, that’s debunked long before this chapter, when they say “their no.2”, it’s referring to strength. Kenjaku specifically says “their” referring to the good guys (meaning it doesn’t include Sukuna, which he would have the most CE on their side), coupled with the fact that Yuta has been constantly reiterated by the narrative calling Yuta no.2 strongest, it’s clear my interpretation is more stable.

Your headcanon with no proof. It clearly mentioned as CE not strength bring the scans where it was stated as strength.

Also, it’s funny you say that, because if this wasn’t referring to strength, why is it he explicitly refers to Maki (a character with no CE), and Ui Ui (fodder)? And no, it’s not that Hakari can’t be tracked, Kenjaku makes no note of his existence, yet does to Yuta and Maki.

So Ui > Hakari according to you. That's great Kenjaku was afraid of UI UI strength fr

Doesn’t matter if she does, that doesn’t refute the other two statements that place them as relative, nor the consistent backing that puts Yuta as second only to Gojo. You have nothing to stand on.

It does matters of maki has zero knowledge on what she is talking about.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I mean the fact that they mention that hes trying to regain his lost output kinda implies that this strengthened red has essentially the same output as a normal red (when hes at 100 % output). Of course I cant really prove that, but theres also no reason to assume its stronger either.

Neutral and strengthening has different meanings

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Why are you sending the later scans Sukuna was fighting Gojo for 1&1/2 chapters without CT before domain clash.
Anyway the argument of without CT Sorcerer only has 20% of their strength is Dumb. Can you share me the scan where it was stated as strength instead of skills

He was fighting him with his CT, it just couldn’t reach him, so he used DA, and DA in a DE. And I’m not proposing Sukuna is literally 5x stronger with MS, but I’m saying he obviously isn’t 100% because he cannot reach Gojo. The statement in question comes from when Gojo first explains CT’s to Yuji, too lazy to get.

Your headcanon with no proof. It clearly mentioned as CE not strength bring the scans where it was stated as strength.

You’re the one with baseless headcanon, you addressed none of my argument. It mentions CE for tracking, and their no.2 for strength.

So Ui > Hakari according to you. That's great Kenjaku was afraid of UI UI strength fr

Strawman, as i literally called him fodder. You’re just admitting you’re outright disingenuous.

It does matters of maki has zero knowledge on what she is talking about.

Plug your ears and close your eyes as much as you want, you objectively cannot refute Tengen needed the aid of Yuki or Yuta. Whether they have knowledge or not is irrelevant considering a highly intelligent person such as Tengen still stated such.

 

[Outcast]

Neutral and strengthening has different meanings

Im sorry but what does that have to do with what I said?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Im sorry but what does that have to do with what I said?

In the same scans it states neutral limitless can be nulled but not strengthened Red and Blue

 

[Outcast]

In the same scans it states neutral limitless can be nulled but not strengthened Red and Blue

Oh sorry, I think I had misunderstood what you said. When you mentioned it was strengthened I thought you were talking about him using incantations.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He was fighting him with his CT, it just couldn’t reach him, so he used DA, and DA in a DE. And I’m not proposing Sukuna is literally 5x stronger with MS, but I’m saying he obviously isn’t 100% because he cannot reach Gojo.

I'm saying Meguna was strength when fighting Gojo without CT. CT doesn't amp or reduce physical status unless it's specifically stated to scale above Sorcerer.

The statement in question comes from when Gojo first explains CT’s to Yuji, too lazy to get.

It stated skill not strength

You’re the one with baseless headcanon, you addressed none of my argument. It mentions CE for tracking, and their no.2 for strength.

I asked you for scans not for some headcanons. If you don't have scans I'm not continuing this shit. I will take it as Burden of proof.

Strawman, as i literally called him fodder. You’re just admitting you’re outright disingenuous.

So you are just Contradicting.
If you know he is fodder and put on same line as Maki because Kenjaku was talking about tracking I don't see the point of strength there.

Plug your ears and close your eyes as much as you want, you objectively cannot refute Tengen needed the aid of Yuki or Yuta. Whether they have knowledge or not is irrelevant considering a highly intelligent person such as Tengen still stated such.

Same Tengen who thought having Choso for defence against Kenjaku would change something?
Yeah great trust worthy guy when comes to talking about strength. Choso was compared to Yuki and Yuta now? So choso on same level?