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Joseph Joestar vs Big Boss

If Joseph gets off a single punch, the fight is over. Considering that only reaction speed is equalized, he could just run up to him and punch him once and end the fight. So Joseph
 
It's more the fact that Joseph is massively stronger and a signle punch would end the fight instantly, and given his AP, Big Boss wouldn't even be able to hurt him in CQC
 
Joseph should actually be weaker than Big Boss. Physically, his old age has taken quite a toll on him, and while still strong, he should be no stronger than someone with his stature. With hamon, however, his strength and physical being is bolstered to a fair degree, but again, he's far from his younger days and isn't proficient with it anymore. So with hamon he is stronger, but without it they're about the same.

Big Boss is a CQC master, including many martial arts such as Judo and Wrestling, which is all about using your opponents body mass and strength against them. Joseph throwing a punch would result in him being hip tossed into the ground and having his arm snapped immediately. Other then a fast and loose version of Sendo, Joseph has no martial art knowledge, and whatever he does have he obviously forgot due to neglect in part 3. So hand to hand Big Boss always wins.

But what about Hermit Purple? I think Big Boss would have a little trouble with it at first, but just as it is with Metal Gear Solid games, a large majority of enemies are gifted with supernatural/paranormal abilities, and yet each protagonist including Big Boss manages to overcome these odds because of combat experience and artilery. After the first time he inevitably gets wrapped up in it, he'll sneakily arm himself and shoot at Joseph, forcing him to drop the Hermit Purple. Then, realizing that his opponents has limits, will never get in Joseph's range anymore.

The only thing Hermit Purple will be useful for should be is disarming, and that's only if he's within range. I vote for Big Boss.
 
>Joseph should actually be weaker than Big Boss. Physically, his old age has taken quite a toll on him, and while still strong, he should be no stronger than someone with his stature. With hamon, however, his strength and physical being is bolstered to a fair degree, but again, he's far from his younger days and isn't proficient with it anymore. So with hamon he is stronger, but without it they're about the same.

What? Hamon explicitky wont amp Joseph. Hamon cant do that. Josephs power is his power and excluding that part three joseph took an attack from za warudo. Far above what boss had done and can do. Part three joseph not part four.

>Big Boss is a CQC master, including many martial arts such as Judo and Wrestling, which is all about using your opponents body mass and strength against them. Joseph throwing a punch would result in him being hip tossed into the ground and having his arm snapped immediately. Other then a fast and loose version of Sendo, Joseph has no martial art knowledge, and whatever he does have he obviously forgot due to neglect in part 3. So hand to hand Big Boss always wins.

Are ya forgetting joseph is a master martial artist also and probably a better one than boss as he took traning from lisa and was on par with caesar that fought wham and almost defeated him and only lost due to an fluke and can do shit no normal human could do even at his age of part three? Joseph probably outskills and outlasts boss also from his feats alone. Him forgetting his martial art and being way weaker? Merely headcanon. Not once stated or even implied within part three and he obviously wont fight a city block busting stand with hamon. Excluding the fact hamon explicitly wont boost ap and natural durability anyway(which is thousands above big boss anyway). Also hamon would heal the wound .


>But what about Hermit Purple? I think Big Boss would have a little trouble with it at first, but just as it is with Metal Gear Solid games, a large majority of enemies are gifted with supernatural/paranormal abilities, and yet each protagonist including Big Boss manages to overcome these odds because of combat experience and artilery. After the first time he inevitably gets wrapped up in it, he'll sneakily arm himself and shoot at Joseph, forcing him to drop the Hermit Purple. Then, realizing that his opponents has limits, will never get in Joseph's range anymore.

Josephs range is literally dozens of meters with hp and he can easy with minimal effort crush boss. And drop hp? Why? He can dodge bullets himself. Implying bullets would harm joseph . And joseph had fought beings far more skilled than boss deafeted and won on top and then asspulled a win on kars despite the odd. For experience Joseph had won fighting enemies with far more cunning skill and experience and laid traps despite fighting wham .

>The only thing Hermit Purple will be useful for should be is disarming, and that's only if he's within range. I vote for Big Boss.

Ya forgot incapacitation or making and creating a handful of plans and finding out the geography or items that would defeat boss or while ooc he can rupture organ or mind rwading or mobility from the buildings or protecting himself or even dragging boss within range for an overdrive. Of which not at any point did he state he forget how.
 
>What? Hamon explicitky wont amp Joseph. Hamon cant do that. Josephs power is his power and excluding that part three joseph took an attack from za warudo. Far above what boss had done and can do. Part three joseph not part four.

No, hamon DOES amplify your power. It's a source of energy meant to be gathered upon to enhance your physical being. It should be common sense that they aren't normally strong enough to physically go toe to toe with vampires (talking about pure strength, not them being allergic to it) but I see how you could make the argument that it is their own strength, though it's still untrue. It's best illustrated when Jonathan recieves the Deep Pass Overdrive, and it allows him to break out of the metal collar that Tarkus admitted he was unable to do himself. Lisa Lisa also said that her training will allow Joseph to run a hundred miles without breaking a sweat, so hamon clearly does enhance your physical being. I'd also like to point out he never got hit by The World, but rather debris that was sent flying by The World, so while he's still a durable bastard, he doesn't scale to The World's attack potency.

>Are ya forgetting joseph is a master martial artist also and probably a better one than boss as he took traning from lisa and was on par with caesar that fought wham and almost defeated him and only lost due to an fluke and can do shit no normal human could do even at his age of part three? Joseph probably outskills and outlasts boss also from his feats alone. Him forgetting his martial art and being way weaker? Merely headcanon. Not once stated or even implied within part three and he obviously wont fight a city block busting stand with hamon. Excluding the fact hamon explicitly wont boost ap and natural durability anyway(which is thousands above big boss anyway). Also hamon would heal the wound .

No, I did not forget that Joseph has partaken in martial arts before, but that's Battle Tendency Joseph, aka, a long ass time ago Joseph. If it was part 2, then maybe he'd have a better case in terms of CQC, but in his old age, there's no reaso to suggest he's just as adept as before. He hasn't demonstrated any martial art feats in part 3, probably due to a lack of upkeep, something real martial artists have to do. He has no reason to, he's already physically emposing and the greatest threat at the time is already long gone, so of course he's not going to train. We've already seen his proficency with hamon go downhill too. His most hated phrase is "hard work ", so why would he still be adept in CQC after all these years? And the reason he's able to do some bullshit in part 3 is because he's a 6'5" buff guy, clearly not a "normal human".

>Josephs range is literally dozens of meters with hp and he can easy with minimal effort crush boss. And drop hp? Why? He can dodge bullets himself. Implying bullets would harm joseph . And joseph had fought beings far more skilled than boss deafeted and won on top and then asspulled a win on kars despite the odd. For experience Joseph had won fighting enemies with far more cunning skill and experience and laid traps despite fighting wham .

His range is irrelevant, Boss will determine his range by testing how close he can get to him without Joseph initiating attack, he's an expert at combat. He can dodge gunfire, granted, but not if he's standing there binding him with Hermit Purple. Bullets WILL harm Joseph, how wanked can you get? They probably won't kill him seeing as how he's taken strikes from Whamu, but they'll definitely make him bleed. Why else would he need to block machine gun fire from Santana? Big Boss has 10x more experience than Joseph, seeing as how he's not only trained but constantly upkept by the government, but also has defeated 6 games worth of MGS villains, which add up to like 15 in total. We don't use "oh he's pulled asspulls before" as a legitimate reason why someone would win.

>Ya forgot incapacitation or making and creating a handful of plans and finding out the geography or items that would defeat boss or while ooc he can rupture organ or mind rwading or mobility from the buildings or protecting himself or even dragging boss within range for an overdrive. Of which not at any point did he state he forget how.

I didn't forget, it's just irrelevant to this fight. Also, Hermit Purple cannot crush him LMAO, it's 10-C on his profile, and Joseph hasn't used it to crush a person before, so more wank. Maybe he can use it to combo attacks, but seeing as how Big Boss is a CQC expert, again, I think it'll just end up being detrimental to him. And mind reading? When has it ever read someones mind?
 
It doesnt. Will EXPLICITLY mentionef back in part one it doesnt and the wiki goes off that. Make a crt then if ya dont agree. Jonathan was previously injured and he was batshit pissed when he did that. The latter? Stamina training. That was mostly the point.

So headcanon and the reason of >he didn't cqc any opponent within part three. Is honestly a bad one as he didn't fight an opponent that could be fought hth combat. Stands and all. He would obviously rusty yeah but he obviously wouldnt be completely useless and shit man. And 6'5 buff dude cant be punched by a 60 ton punch ghost fragmented fly dozens of meters and fall off a building and get up a moment later.

His range is far above what boss can do and keep up with and ya realize he can move when ysing hp? Ya think hes locked in one place? No. Obviously not. And no bullets wont harm him. Hes city block not wall. And he deflected bullets from santana while speedwagon and stroheim we're next to him. Think about why hed block for a moment. Yeah boss does have more experience and joseph outwitted and defeated wham that had 1000 times what boss had. No shit that wasnt my reasoning on the kars point my point was he has commonly defeated and outwitted opponents far above what boss could dream of.

It can. It has been accepted to be upgraded. (Although that was awhile ago. Probably be nice to have an admin actually do that) He did. He was going to crush mariah. Hp can read thoughts. Only used once but it read dios thoughts at early on within part three. Mentioned once again at a later point (and enrico jumped and committed suicide because he claimed how would read his thoughts within eoh although while noncanon so ya can exclude that point if ya want) also a city block dio broke and tore the vines which boss obviously would lack the ability of doing.
 
Joseph is above what boss would fight and hed get ap and durability and even haxed stomped. Joseph himself is over 130 times above big boss from.raw stats alone. The skill advantage wont prevent joseph from walking up or having hp destroy boss while almost minor effort used for the act.
 
Lots of things were mentioned and later retconned in part 1. And really, you think running hundreds of kilometers is merely a feat of stamina, and otherwise not physically demanding? No, at this point, it doesn't matter what feats of strength related to hamon I bring up, if you seriously think Jonathan became stronger than a buff ass vampire just because he was "pissed" rather than believing he became strong from the highly potent hamon upgrade he obtained a minute ago, then you're the one who is deluded. No need for a CRT because nobody else agrees with your sentiment.

Just blantantly dismiss what Joseph says about himself and does in-character by chalking it up to headcanon, nice. Still no feats regarding his CQC in his later years, and because his hamon proficency is now shittier, his entire Sendo training he learned from Lisa Lisa should now be too. Like I said, being good at martial arts requires up-keep. And in his final fight against DIO, he was using hamon, explaining why he was able to survive the debris and the fall. Debris launched by 60 tons doesn't mean he absorbed 60 tons, btw. Not even 1/10th of it, actually.

His range is not far above Big Boss's shooting range. It's dozens of meters at most, nowhere near the max range of most handguns let alone heavier and beefier weaponry. And yes, he does restrict his movement when binding an enemy. He can't bind them and run backwards, the distance between then doesn't change, he limits himself to moving to the left/right, giving Boss the opportunity to fill him with rounds. Wall level attack potency can get through City Block durability, since it's a piercing attack, not a kick or a punch. It's how characters like Spiderman aren't bulletproof, but still have that durability. Boss has more fighting experience, it doesn't matter if Joseph outwitted Kars, you have to explain how they would be useful against Boss just straight up shooting and killing him.

He wasn't going to crush her via Hermit Purple, he was going to use her own stand ability against her. So, clearly not on his page, and based on your arguments, I highly suspect you're taking it out of context. Don't recall him using it to read DIO's thoughts once, or anyones, ever. No feat suggesting he can.

Just some more wank in general.
 
>Retconned.

It wasn't. Not once did anything say differently. And like it or not that happened and that us what the wiki goes off.

Yeah he was rusty. Not completely useless and forget how to do anything that part would be headcanon. And even a hundred would honestly over a thousand of what big boss could do plus he would be above big boss (big boss only 0.5 ton). So dont pull that shit. And cool want to point out an instance where Joseph could have used hth on an opponent? Lack of feats dont dismiss older feats especially when the feats didnt do anything with hamon. And no hamon doesnt amp durability and even if it did he didnt use hamon when he did that (damaged from za warudo it strength).

Yeah and bullets get weaker the further the bullet travels obviously and no that is a load of shit and not even true. Bullets cant damage a city block fighter. And he actually can. Using the Mariah example is a false one as he was bound when he did that. He can move when he uses hp and nothing says he cant. And he outwitted wham. A combat genius and shooting him and killing him? Ya best be joking. Also Joseph himself can rig the environment to hell and back with hp clairvoyance while utilizing traps and shit or just punch boss once. Excluding that joseph had comparable durability with pol (had comparable damage from the stand boat strength crushing him).

Joseph was going to strangle mariah and make mariah pass out. When he and abdul on the train track. The tv with the kakyoin betrayal? That was him reading dio thoughts also and for one who keeps outright excluding what his profile states you're accusing me of not keeping true to the profile?
 
There are three for Joseph, me, J-Man, and Iapitus.

Also it's a complete possibility for Joseph to blitz considering you only equalized reaction speeds and he's faster than big boss in that regard.
 
Big Boss is Supersonic+ with Hypersonic combat speed (The calc saying the high end is Mach 1.9). Joseph is Hypersonic with speeds of at least Mach 5. That seems to be a pretty good advantage to me.
 
Yeah no shit. The latter one was the most recurrent one. The quote about hamon not boosting ap is the canon one. Hamon being destructive was retconned

Yeah and guess what? Spiderman on this wiki have bullets do nothing. But piercing only goes far enough and here that usnt far enough. A few kilojoules > 60 ton of tnt. Are ya having a jape?

Yeah he does yet he still can do anoverdrive despite not having done hamon for awhile (probably as long as he ago he did cqc). Also checked joseph didnt claim he got rusty only he didnt use hamon for awhile. And big boss cant cqc a punch that would have boss flat on the ground on contact. Cqc only goes far enough.

Because he can out with the shit out of big boss and fool him? That is josephs character. >Under pressure. Yeah wham and all his opponents are not pressure enough according to ya and a dirt map with the exact location of an item he needed for a specific purpose despite having no idea the item was located. And man ya need cut the shit because ya already wrong about joseph not having mind reading (Also ya forget he could mind read enya also or is entail a joestar) also how us big boss attacking Joseph when he completely wrapped and not able move from hp?.

Yeah he was he was going to strangle Mariah and had hp on mariah when he claimed that. And mariah is a tad above big boss apparently then or ya forget the fact he attempted to restrict Dio and overdrive him (which joseph wouldnt have done unless joseph at least had an idea of that working meaning he would have at least have thought hp on the power if straizo). And man ya do realize joseph (despite the fact hed ohko big boss at the start) does that often and lays around traps midfight all throughout his part and he often leaves midnight also for preparation? Which yeah he could mindread after doing his ultimate secret technique.

Joseph hypersonic movement. Also why do ya have a sock puppet account?.
 
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