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Just because viewers don't pick up on a difference, doesn't mean the fundamental difference to what we see in the manga and the anime isn't still there... Shouldn't we try to be accurate as possible for any character if we have extremely specific knowledge like this? Besides, I'm mentioning a change that would COMPLETELY overhaul Time Erasure as a concept, in terms of a separate anime page at least. That means no more just saying plain Time Erasure on a potential anime profile, as this comes from the fact that King Crimson's time erasure is stated on his profile to remove space... Well, is that still there in the anime? No, not at all as I've said... Diavolo walks across the ground in Time Erase multiple times, people who aren't Diavolo walk across the ground in Time Erase however unaware, and Diavolo even goes behind a goddamm piller in the anime to first show off his whole body. Cool usage of your ability, but if space were truly gone like it describes in the manga. This shit shouldn't even be possible due to a piller not even physically being present in Time Erase by it's own definition, and it isn't, because the manga correctly shows Diavolo not time skipping behind the piller. He just walks behind it to transform. Much simpler, and it doesn't actually end up flying in the fact of King Crimson erasing space with his time erasure ability. Even causality manip isn't safe due to my first and main point of people still freely walking, although unaware, around in time erase to complete their actions. There's no requirement for fated predictions to fill in what isn't temporarily there like in the manga. What does this all mean? King Crimson in the anime LOGICALLY CAN'T BE ERASING TIME EXACTLY LIKE HE IS SHOWN TO BE IN THE MANGA. This means everything about his ability, including the two "abilities" Diavolo gets from it which are Time Erasure and Causality Manip need to be completely thrown out for an anime profile, and by extension, his description that lay under said abilities as well.
Side note, I DO still believe he's erasing time in the anime, just not like how the manga presents it. My own explanation for what actually might be happening would've been the focal point of my first CRT
Basically:
Time Erasure and Causality Manipulation (King Crimson can erase up to ten seconds of time, removing space in the process. With this it allows him to erase all the process of the actions done in the erased time, leaving only its results)
This needs to go for an anime profile, as well as that giant blurb about how Time Erase functions near the bottom of Diavolo's page obviously. Pictures need to be changed and separated for the anime and manga profiles of course, and that Epitaph description is...just bugging me. Abilities DON'T just change at the end of a part, why would Epitaph suddenly show what happens after Time Erase when it's been constantly shown and described to show what happens 10 seconds into the future...but I digress... One last thing, and correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't Diavolo, in the manga not the anime, get indirect spacial manip added on? Just wondering.
Well, if his fundamental ability needs to be completely revamped from the main adaptation of the manga, no OVA's here to lean back on as an alternative way to experience and watch Part 5. I think it more than soildly counts.
I know what first class means, but are we sure that's enough to simply give him a solid MFTL rating? FTL is top-class in my opinion for a stand, especially when only a HANDFUL of stands have a MFTL rating. You said yourself in a previous thread you had multiple examples of even fodder characters having relativistic to sub-rel feats, why can't FTL, which is far above most stands in this series by a reasonable accord, be seen as "first-class"?
In the anime at least, he activated his ability BEFORE Silver Chariot swung it's sword, he didn't react mid-slash like in the manga. He only got the chance to gouge out Polnareff's eye because of the inherent confusion erasing time completely, in the manga not the anime of course, brings for people who experience it for the first time. Also, you directly assume Silver Chariot was automatically being used, when the situation seems to lean more towards a manually controlled Silver Chariot. Chariot is blind after all, you brought said fact to the attention of the wiki. I only came to the conclusion that Polnareff was being used manually to directly swing at and attack Diavolo because of the specific distance Chariot had to cross, then swinging without any commands from Polnareff. Anyway, with my rudimentary eyeballing calcs, I found that both Silver Chariot's movement towards Diavolo and the sword swing, even if it's not applicable here, to be around subsonic in the anime's case at least.
Eyeballing it with the ever-trusty framebyframe website, it appears that Diavolo and Polnareff are about...5 Polnareff's away from each other. Throwing that into a calc I somehow deleted so I can't copy it here, and counting off the second it took for Silver Chariot to move infront of Diavolo. That's around ~subsonic speeds for Silver Chariot in this instance, but that's just off eyeballing, so again, take that as you will. Looking at the sword swing, it's about a meter or so that Silver Chariot swung his sword in 0.01 seconds or 10 milliseconds. That's again... around subsonic speeds. Now, that's not impressive at all, nor is basically gouging out Polnareff's eye due to the fact we know King Crimson's ability commonly leaves people who experience it for the first time disoriented and confused by it's own nature. Attacking Polnareff again to mortally wound him before Silver Chariot can retaliate is a little impressive, but finishing somebody off after they're already badly wounded kinda downplays this a little.
Give or take a few Polnareff's, this feat, even if professionally calced, should still result in a subsonic feat overall. I'm not a professional calcer by any defintion, but I did do the math for whatever that's worth. I even talked about the lead-up to the final confrontation, of which I feel can give more reasoning to a FTL rating given the fact that the anime's feat wasn't looking too good for King Crimson...
1. This was a long and drawn out battle, no doubt about that. Polnareff and Diavolo both got to the cliff, more a feat on Polnareff's part for evading King Crimson until then due to said "first-class speed", but more on that later.
2. When Diavolo appears, he 100 percent intends to kill you in person. There's no real debate on this, if Diavolo shows up in person, he fully intends on ending your life himself ASAP. Not a point really, just a little fact he even states himself directly.
3. Diavolo nor King Crimson have taken a lick of damage from this "fight", so THIS MUST MEAN that King Crimson successfully evaded Silver Chariot's blade while wounding Polnareff directly. Of course Polnareff was fighting for his life, and didn't just let Diavolo outright harm him without trying to attack back. This feat is all the more impressive when you consider point 4.
4. DIAVOLO DID NOT ERASE TIME ONCE before actually erasing time to get behind Polnareff to finish their fight. This is proven when Polnareff quickly understands that Diavolo's skipping time, good job Polnareff! Didn't save you from getting crippled, but still... In any case, Polnareff never notes that he skipped time again or he dissappeared AGAIN. Before somebody brings up Epitaph more than likely predicted Silver Chariot's defensive swings while they fought. Epitaph, when used in a direct fashion without time erase accompanying it, is USELESS unless you have the necessary reaction speeds and movement speeds to avoid attacks. If an attack occurs before Diavolo can even perceive it, or before Diavolo can understand the vision Epitaph provides and act accordingly, he's basically shit out of luck.
5. Diavolo, although showing no real reaction at all to his arm being sliced, WASN'T able to come out of the darkness to attack Polnareff before Silver Chariot made it's own move. I'd say Silver Chariot was definitely automatically controlled in this moment due to the specific simplicity of the action, and the speed at which it was performed as well as Polnareff's own command in the form of NOW. This would be MFTL for reference. While luck WAS definitely a strong factor here, even by Polnareff's own admission, requring he spot Diavolo within an extremely, extremely short time frame before he could use King Crimson to attack. It was SILVER CHARIOT'S OWN SPEED that allowed for this strategy to work out as they did...
Here's Polnareff's strategy laid out, and what it calls on from the person using the strategy to have specifically.
Luck: You need luck to spot Diavolo first thing before he can make a move. You turn around and see nothing, meaning he's hiding somewhere else out of your field of view, your about to get a crimson fist through your chest...
SPEED: You NEED to have the reaction times and movement speed to actively make good on your quick observation, if you don't, it won't matter if you spot him swiftly enough by luck's grace. IF YOU CAN'T USE YOUR STAND TO HARM HIM BEFORE HE CAN USE KING CRIMSON TO HARM YOU, then your ******...
Ex. When Giorno used the blood drop method to try and figure out who's body Diavolo was in. HE COULD BARELY REACT TO DIAVOLO SLICING OFF HIS ARMS. Maybe if he didn't have to turn his whole body around, it would've helped, but still...
Oh, and...
"King Crimson is solidly MFTL, being tagged by a MFTL chariot, due to said character having a decade to figure out a potential counter, failing, and then admitting he'd never land an attack on him ever again."
Polnareff didn't fail, far from it. While he didn't kill Diavolo, the strategy he came up with, BASED OFF ONE SINGLE FIGHT WITH DIAVOLO, was rock soild. If Diavolo was closer, his arm surely would've been fatally injured and cut open like a busted hot dog. Diavolo's no vampire, he just can't heal his injuries, so that arm would've definitely become unusable from that point forward had he been just the tiniest bit closer. Also, due to the basic nature of Time Erase with the combination of Epitaph, his strategy with Diavolo WILL ALWAYS have luck to it. NOWHERE DID HE MENTION HIS OWN SPEED BEING AT FAULT, JUST LUCK AND ONLY LUCK BASED AROUND HIM SPOTTING DIAVOLO IN TIME TO ATTACK FIRST. Also, where did Polnareff mention he'd never land an attack on Diavolo again? He only talked about dodging/avoiding a very-much life-ending strike from King Crimson, of which would've happened earlier that it did in actual canon had Silver Chariot's own AUTOMATIC speed saved Polnareff's ass and slashed Diavolo's arm before he could even summon King Crimson to erase time again to avoid his attack. Speaking of...don't you find it weird that Silver Chariot, in this automatic usage case, got Diavolo before he could skip time again? It's almost as if Silver Chariot, when automatically used with proven MFTL speeds, clearly outclasssd Diavolo's own reaction speeds because he wasn't shown to be able to summon King Crimson or skip time again successfully, nor was he able to move from the spot he stationed himself in within time erase. Makes you think, doesn't it?
So, to recap while looking at his current speed profile
*At least Massively FTL with King Crimson (Boasts first-class speed.
-First-class speed doesn't have to be MFTL, just has to be above a majority of stands really as I've already said. Even if you still say this completely implies MFTL, there's just not enough evidence here, on the anime's side at least, to justify a soild rating. That's why I personally think a (At least FTL, possibly higher) is fair for anime King Crimson's profile.
Though speed is rarely an issue for it due to erasing time, it could react to Silver Chariot while it was mid-attack, erase time, and quickly gouge out Silver Chariot's eye and continue attacking Polnareff before he could defend himself.
-Already went over this above, but this would really only apply to the manga's case. Already talked about the anime above heavily, so I won't explain again here.
Polnareff stated that he only barely dodged King Crimson once and that whether or not Giorno could defend against it is a matter of luck, with Giorno Giovanna barely having enough time to react and failed to defend himself against King Crimson's blow.
-Yes, luck..not speed.
Moved Spice Girl fast enough to dodge a strike from Sticky Fingers)*
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